We have inadequate air defense to stop chinese airdropped divisions.

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They have tried that atleast twice before in 2 wars to interfere and backed out so chances of them succeeding now are even worst.
Absolutely.Now,the C-130's and the C-17's coupled with the newly re-activated ALG's would mean constant refueling and re-equipping our mountain divisions so that the attacker would change his status to attacked!
 

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Can you please elaborate the Three front war in NE .
Its my analysis which I would mention in detail in new thread, right now here is short overview:

Logically china know our potential hence won't make any sudden attack from arunanchal region or other NE region because we have enough forces to prevent such blow. Enough means enough, NOT so good but we are capable of responding decisively. So the best way to attack the region where India have less military infrastructures like troops, armored divisions, radars, air defense etc.

Front 1 - Northern Front
So which is that region? That region is POK! So chinese can easily deploy their troops on POK because of direct contact with Chinese border as well in control of anti-india nation Pakistan unfortunately. So this is most likely that china send their divisions in POK to hold and then start their attack with the help of Pakistani army where major pakistani army would fight in front and chinese army would be on support to minimize loss. In this region china can airlift its troops because we don't have good air defense as well as mountain divisions specialized in mountain warfare.

Front 2 - Western Front
Second front obviously would be western front where pakistan would attack to take an advantage for that time. No need to mention much here as pakistani army still has good strength and IA will have to fight very decisively to repel pakistani army.

Front 3 - North-Eastern Front
Now consider that IA is engaged in war with Pak-China in Northern front and western front then simultaneously china can open a third front in north east to divert the pressure of indian armed forces. This blow would be hit and run that is first gain territory and when indian forces reach to counter them they reiterate from there and back to their borders. In this way India would have to fight in three major fronts simultaneously and the point is that to fight on all three fronts at the same time we will have to prepare more.

I hope you got my point.
 

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Guys, there are serious infrastructural problems on our Eastern front, especially defense infrastructure, we all know that, and though the government has woken up to this glaring problem, but its still too late in the day. We have a long way to go, to even match the level of infrastructure that the Chinese have established near their borders. But still, saying something that an entire division of Chinese troops will be air dropped right at the chicken's neck area near Sikkim is a bit too far etched. Since, the nearest PLAAF transport division is in Chengdu, it will be inevitable that they will be picked up on radar placed near our borders, and an alert will be generated in the entire NE sector. An entire to be airlifted will require a transport fleet of at least 70-100 aircrafts nonetheless, you guys really think such a huge formation will go undetected the moment it takes off and starts moving towards the Indian border ?? Plus there will be fighter escorts for sure for such an formation, so add at least another 30-50 J-10, so that's easily a 100+ air flotilla. If if they somehow did reach the border, not even half will make it inside upto the Chicken's neck for sure. So, I seriously doubt that such a thing is any way possible. Rather, it would be much easier for a few thousand Chinese troops to sneak across the border near Bhutan into Indian territory and create an havoc for the frontier formations there.
 

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Here I thought air operations like this ended with operation Market garden.

Against a well defended enemy with an intact AD network? Good luck!

I take you will not be among the first one to land(If you even are alive when you land, that is)
You can read about the aftermath of Operation Market Garden here.

Operation Market Garden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1948, Eisenhower wrote that "The attack began well and unquestionably would have been successful except for the intervention of bad weather."
 

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Re: Weasel for the Tibetan Plateau

You can read about the aftermath of Operation Market Garden here.

Operation Market Garden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It is convenient to blame the weather of course.
This part of the lecture series was written by Dr. Russell F. Weigley, Professor of History, Temple University.
This part of the lecture can be read in whole here:

http://www.k-state.edu/history/specialevents/Eisenhowerlecture/eisenhower4.htm

Operation MARKET"‘GARDEN (17"‘25"‘ September 1944), the combined airborne and ground effort to capture a bridgehead across the Neder Rijn at Arnhem in the Netherlands that would outflank German's Westwall defenses, is the most dramatic evidence of the extent to which Eisenhower gave Montgomery the opportunity to effect his favored strategy. For MARKET"‘GARDEN Montgomery received a heavily disproportionate share of Allied logistical resources, particularly fuel, and of course practically Allied air transport capacity. He received the theater's only major troop reserve, the First Allied Airborne Army The operation failed not because it was accorded inadequate resources or because for that or any other reason it was doomed from the start "‘ it was a sound strategic conception, for which Montgomery merits credit as its principal author "‘ but because Montgomery, his 21 Army Group headquarters, and his immediately subordinate commands failed to obtain adequate intelligence of enemy dispositions and supply adequate control of tactical execution.

To the extent that Montgomery's ambitions were in fact curtailed by logistical shortages, the main cause was not any lack of support from Eisenhower but the unavailability of the port capacity of Antwerp (Antwerpen), the largest seaport of northwestern Europe. Montgomery's troops had captured this port on 3 September, but the port was not actually opened to regular shipping until 26 November. The reason was that having captured it, Montgomery failed to move quickly to clear the islands and waterways between Antwerp and the North Sea. Eisenhower pressed him hard to do so from the outset, but it was not until the Supreme Commander yielded his preference for granting his subordinates wide discretionary authority and virtually ordered Montgomery to give first priority to opening Antwerp that the field"‘marshal at length acted to remove the logistical noose that through his neglect of Antwerp he had tied around his own neck.Altogether, it must be repeated, Eisenhower accorded Montgomery every opportunity short of imperiling the rest of the Allied armies to realize the ambition of a primarily British narrow thrust into Germany. He did so for the excellent reason that in spite of the risks it entailed, Montgomery's design offered the best chance for winning the war before the end of the autumn of 1944. The narrow thrust failed partly because of Montgomery's own mistakes, in the faulty tactical conduct of MARKET"‘GARDEN and in delaying clearance of Antwerp, and to a greater extent because Allied resources were simply not sufficient to support the design.
Why use wiki when you have far better source? How is the weather in Tibet btw?
 

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Re: We have inadequate air defense to stop chinese airdropped division

It is convenient to blame the weather of course.
This part of the lecture series was written by Dr. Russell F. Weigley, Professor of History, Temple University...
Why use wiki when you have far better source?
@ice berg

Ah, yes, military history as written by the history professors...is there anything they don't know?

And yes, I suppose I could have used some more academically more acceptable source for quoting one line from Eisenhower...

Market Garden was not the only glider operation in WWII.

Military glider - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Oops, another wiki cite :-(

 
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Re: Weasel for the Tibetan Plateau

It is convenient to blame the weather of course.
This part of the lecture series was written by Dr. Russell F. Weigley, Professor of History, Temple University.
This part of the lecture can be read in whole here:

http://www.k-state.edu/history/specialevents/Eisenhowerlecture/eisenhower4.htm

Operation MARKET"‘GARDEN (17"‘25"‘ September 1944), the combined airborne and ground effort to capture a bridgehead across the Neder Rijn at Arnhem in the Netherlands that would outflank German's Westwall defenses, is the most dramatic evidence of the extent to which Eisenhower gave Montgomery the opportunity to effect his favored strategy. For MARKET"‘GARDEN Montgomery received a heavily disproportionate share of Allied logistical resources, particularly fuel, and of course practically Allied air transport capacity. He received the theater's only major troop reserve, the First Allied Airborne Army The operation failed not because it was accorded inadequate resources or because for that or any other reason it was doomed from the start "‘ it was a sound strategic conception, for which Montgomery merits credit as its principal author "‘ but because Montgomery, his 21 Army Group headquarters, and his immediately subordinate commands failed to obtain adequate intelligence of enemy dispositions and supply adequate control of tactical execution.

To the extent that Montgomery's ambitions were in fact curtailed by logistical shortages, the main cause was not any lack of support from Eisenhower but the unavailability of the port capacity of Antwerp (Antwerpen), the largest seaport of northwestern Europe. Montgomery's troops had captured this port on 3 September, but the port was not actually opened to regular shipping until 26 November. The reason was that having captured it, Montgomery failed to move quickly to clear the islands and waterways between Antwerp and the North Sea. Eisenhower pressed him hard to do so from the outset, but it was not until the Supreme Commander yielded his preference for granting his subordinates wide discretionary authority and virtually ordered Montgomery to give first priority to opening Antwerp that the field"‘marshal at length acted to remove the logistical noose that through his neglect of Antwerp he had tied around his own neck.Altogether, it must be repeated, Eisenhower accorded Montgomery every opportunity short of imperiling the rest of the Allied armies to realize the ambition of a primarily British narrow thrust into Germany. He did so for the excellent reason that in spite of the risks it entailed, Montgomery's design offered the best chance for winning the war before the end of the autumn of 1944. The narrow thrust failed partly because of Montgomery's own mistakes, in the faulty tactical conduct of MARKET"‘GARDEN and in delaying clearance of Antwerp, and to a greater extent because Allied resources were simply not sufficient to support the design.
Why use wiki when you have far better source? How is the weather in Tibet btw?
so, It failed because of insufficient logistics and scarce intelligence of enemy positions.

today Intelligence can be acquired through satellites, drone recon's and even by infiltrating the Tibet Autonomous region or by intelligence sharing with like minded countries.

The insufficient logistics is the real concern.

But a strategical airdrop is a suicide mission in itself, it takes all supplies it needs for the mission and that is all the supply it needs and gets.
for supplying the forces behind enemy lines, I will ask my engineers to come up with a ICBM supply drop, remove the warheads and make them suitable for dropping supplies.

so now, the suppression of the enemy air defenses and achieving air superiority are the most critical part of the mission.Which I really don't know how to get in effect.
 
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Re: We have inadequate air defense to stop chinese airdropped division

hi, My Reply to Ice berg (post number#127 here) was in line with the discussion going on in the thread, Weasel for the Tibetan plateau.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/defence-strategic-issues/54139-weasel-tibetan-plateau-4.html

I think my reply will be apt if it is in that post. As I was giving my points on the Intelligence requirements for the Air drop, supplying the mission and the need for suppressing enemy air defenses and Achieving air superiority.
 

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Re: We have inadequate air defense to stop chinese airdropped division

hi, My Reply to Ice berg (post number#127 here) was in line with the discussion going on in the thread, Weasel for the Tibetan plateau.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/defence-strategic-issues/54139-weasel-tibetan-plateau-4.html

I think my reply will be apt if it is in that post. As I was giving my points on the Intelligence requirements for the Air drop, supplying the mission and the need for suppressing enemy air defenses and Achieving air superiority.
This is still alive?
 

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