Was Bhagat Singh shot dead?

[LurkerBaba]

What you have written here means if my understanding of english is right, is that you think a dictatorship under Netaji or Bhagat Singh would have benefited india.

Maybe a more authoritarian regime like Singapore, would've been better.

 

[Yusuf]

Why authoritarian regimes? Are we people fit only to be ruled under oppressive/authoritarian regimes?
Why did we waste our time fighting for independence then? We should have accepted a brit rule with autonomy or something. Something like australia or canada and sung god save the queen.
Its we people who have to write our own destiny. Not through an iron fist rule by one man and his vision. We have to do it collectively. Yes we have all kinds of flaws in our democracy, but we are still a democracy. We criticise our govt everyday.
If not we too would have been brainwashed 50 cents army.

 

[sandeepdg]

What you have written here means if my understanding of english is right, is that you think a dictatorship under Netaji or Bhagat Singh would have benefited india.

I don't have any doubts on your understanding of English, mate. I said "even if there had been a dictatorship", by which I meant Indians may have even accepted to a dictatorship under them, though it was very very rare that would have happened, as both of them supported the idea of a socialist, democratic nation, and not a dictatorship.

 

[LurkerBaba]

Why authoritarian regimes? Are we people fit only to be ruled under oppressive/authoritarian regimes?
Why did we waste our time fighting for independence then? We should have accepted a brit rule with autonomy or something. Something like australia or canada and sung god save the queen.
Its we people who have to write our own destiny. Not through an iron fist rule by one man and his vision. We have to do it collectively. Yes we have all kinds of flaws in our democracy, but we are still a democracy. We criticise our govt everyday.
If not we too would have been brainwashed 50 cents army.

Well not oppressive dictatorship...but more authoritarian (but not an authoritarian regime per se)

I suggested the Singapore model because of the discipline it enforces on the populace: harsh rules littering, traffic rules, harsh punishment on corruption etc. Something to put an end to our 'chalta hai' attitude. It's not oppressive, just more...disciplined.

btw I'm not suggesting media control and all, just a more strict democracy

 

[Yusuf]

Well not oppressive dictatorship...but more authoritarian (but not an authoritarian regime per se)

I suggested the Singapore model because of the discipline it enforces on the populace: harsh rules littering, traffic rules, harsh punishment on corruption etc. Something to put an end to our 'chalta hai' attitude. It's not oppressive, just more...disciplined.

btw I'm not suggesting media control and all, just a more strict democracy

Common sense should suffice. But no one bothers using them. Why should you need strict rules to not litter? To follow traffic rules? Why can't we be self disciplined?

 

[LurkerBaba]

Common sense should suffice. But no one bothers using them. Why should you need strict rules to not litter? To follow traffic rules? Why can't we be self disciplined?

But the truth is that we aren't self disciplined! Discipled has to be instilled ! I don't believe that people can be self disciplined.

I know this is offtopic but....

1.These laws were needed in Singaporean society when they broke away from the Malaysian union...and now just by sheer will power they're far far ahead of their Malay counterparts.

2.People in other (like USA UK ) developed the foreign countries don't litter....because there is no litter ! I know this is circular, but this has more to do with the broken window theory rather than self discipline

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

Consider a building with a few broken windows. If the windows are not repaired, the tendency is for vandals to break a few more windows. Eventually, they may even break into the building, and if it's unoccupied, perhaps become squatters or light fires inside.
Or consider a sidewalk. Some litter accumulates. Soon, more litter accumulates. Eventually, people even start leaving bags of trash from take-out restaurants there or breaking into cars.

 

[amitkriit]

But the truth is that we aren't self disciplined! Discipled has to be instilled ! I don't believe that people can be self disciplined.

I know this is offtopic but....

1.These laws were needed in Singaporean society when they broke away from the Malaysian union...and now just by sheer will power they're far far ahead of their Malay counterparts.

2.People in other (like USA UK ) developed the foreign countries don't litter....because there is no litter ! I know this is circular, but this has more to do with the broken window theory rather than self discipline

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

We must learn from other nations, but we need to come up with India-specific solutions. Imported solutions can become counterproductive, it will not be long before some corrupt administrators will start exploiting those "tough laws". Rome was not built in a day, a system that evolves naturally is usually more stable and sustainable than those which are artificially created, particularly at this scale and size.

 

[LurkerBaba]

We must learn from other nations, but we need to come up with India-specific solutions. Imported solutions can become counterproductive.

Our entire democratic system is 'imported' from Great Britain

 

[Tronic]

Indian Democracy

- no national consensus
- no national bindings
- political parties form almost everyday like bacteria
- no genuine concerns addressed
- people are not genuinely free to oppose politicians out of fear for their safety
- rampant and uncontrolled corruption
- no account of people
- no account of public money
- no large-scale long term strategy vis-a-vis threats
- no freedom to military at all in its function; constant babu meddling
- no strong leadership
- characterized by indecisiveness
- politicians have ZERO knowledge about even regional problems, forget problems at national level
- inept development management
- lack direction
- extremely cumbersome

Your first 3 points are actually norm and can't be forced upon the people. The country is good how it is, decentralized to a point. Trying to build a national consensus and bindings ideologically and not economically, it will not work. Pakistan is a good example, a nation which started off as a decentralized federation, but as soon as they tried bind the whole country together and centralized, the Bengalis fell out, the Balochis started uprising, and Pashtuns so far have been left untouched but I wouldn't call them as a part of a centralized Pakistan. Economical reliance on each other is what should bind the whole nation together, everything else doesn't work for too long, and things fall apart.

All your other points, I agree with. The biggest thing the country needs to follow in its political system is accountability.

 

[neo29]

Does it make any difference whether he was shot dead or hanged??? In the end he was cremated off secretly.