War Scenario: Beginning Of The End

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  1. jamwal

    jamwal Regular Member

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    Arihant is just one of the launch platforms. There are dozens of Agnis spread all over. The talk of Chinese might and superiority is nothing but puffed up bulls***. None of Chinese nuclear submarines has ever made a deterrent patrol till now. Sure they are powerful, but India is not a weakling. All you see is Chinese doing fancy stuff, "successfully testing" exotic weapons while you see nothing even remotely positive about us. Do you really beleive all that what's shown to you in media ? If Chinese had the capability of doing what you think, they'd have bullied us in a long time ago. We had two serious conflicts with them in middle of 1980s and they couldn't do anything except blowing a great deal of hot gas.
    We do it quietly and steadily while they like to show off. Actually I had a pretty good discussion with some folks this afternoon on this issue.
     
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    Sorry for bumping this old thread, but wanted you guys to know that I've uploaded this scenario in pdf format on Potli.com with some cosmetic changes. You can download, share and distribute it for free from the following link:
    Flames & Arrows (e-book) eBook | Pothi.com
     
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    An early Christmas and new year gift. Thanks very much jamwal ji
     
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    Glad that you liked it
     
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    The day chinese and Indians get into a war, that day we can say that it is the beggining of the end. The kind of resources which India and China have are far superior to anyother nation in the world and that includes population but cchinese are starved for fuesl so they will need to go into central asia against the best wishes of central asians.
     
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    Today's Pakistan knows that it cannot defeat India in any meaningful way. The resources available to India are simply too much for Pakistan to equalize.

    A war will come now only if Pakistani leaders reach a "use it or lose it" situation - means that Pakistan is about to collapse, most likely due to internal conflict and the leader thinks a war may suppress internal conflict and save the nation.

    The variable of course is attitude of India. How war progresses depends on attitude of Indian leadership. If Delhi has a determined leadership, then Pakistani calculations can easily go astray.

    It is predicted by a great Yogi that Pakistan will use its nuclear weapons against India. Then India will respond and result will be utter chaos in Pakistan and it will break up into multiple parts.
     
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    China may send its forces into Pakistan to stabilize the situation (NOT to fight with India) but Pakistan will break up anyway.

    A China/India war is not predicted in the next 50 years. The situation will not go beyond skirmishes. The reason is that China will be pre-occupied with bigger challenges. However China is on ascendancy and its military power is far greater than India. Also India must understand that the bigger challenge is West or US led grouping of countries. West is undermining India in multiple ways even today. India should be careful if it has to seal its position in Asia.
     
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    India needs Kavery aero-engine badly. India needs locally made tanks and IFVs badly. When I say locally made - I mean engine, gun and FCS made locally, not only body.

    Foreign supplies dry up exactly when you need them most. This must be remembered by Indians.

    No country has become a military power on imports. Will not happen for India either.
     
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    Did govt drop hint on second surgical strike? Says it will be 'decisive'

    "This chapter of disturbance in Kashmir will come to an end very soon," Singh added.
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    New Delhi: Union minister Jitendra Singh on Sunday may have dropped enough hint on a “second surgical strike” against the PoK terrorists, saying there would “defenitely be a decisive action” but the government won't reveal plan in advance.

    Asked if the government would do something concrete in regard to cross-border terrorism, he reportedly replied in affirmative.

    "Did we tell (media) before we carried out the surgical strike? We talked about this only after the operation had been done.


    “We will not tell you what we are going to do," Singh was quoted as saying at India Today Editors' Roundtable conference.

    "We will definitely do something decisive. But, I can't tell you what that would be.

    “The security agencies will do whatever is required. You will see the results yourself," India Today quoted him as saying.

    The minister said the Kashmiri youth want to be part of the development agenda but certain elements in the Valley, numbering not more than 350, do not want it and fomenting trouble.

    "This chapter of disturbance in Kashmir will come to an end very soon," Singh added.
     
  11. prohumanity

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    Good. Any smart nation uses whatever its weapon resources are to defend itself. Will you ask your enemy what weapons are you allowed to be used in the fight ?
    When its survival of a nation...every weapon is fair....did you spend hundreds of billions of poor Indian peoples money to ask USA or China ..sir..what weapon you permit me to use against enemies . Paki has been using terrorists against India as its weapons of choice...why Gandhi crazy Indians could not use the same against Paki. Only a fool goes to gun fight with a kitchen knife.
    Why Nuclear weapons are there ....to make ice creams and sip it...or to decorate on Taj Mahal with them on a full moon night ?
    Tell these damn enemies...we want and will defend our nation with any and all weapons we have. If you follow Gandhi.only then we will follow Gandhi. Enough of bullshit !
    Why NATO could destroy Saddam's Iraq...one answer...poor guy did not have Nukes....Why Japan was destroyed..
    in WW2..Japanese did not have Nukes to counter.
    Do you Morons ..get this simple concept ? If they throw stones..you throw rocks..if they throw jasmine flowers..you throw Tulips and Roses. Plain ! Now, get busy and complete Agni 6 and Surya missiles ASAP for "peaceful purposes" Cowardice kept you slaves of Mugals for 600 years and of British for 250 years. NO MORE !!!
     
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    Well this entire War scenario was somewhat acceptable in 2011 when @jamwal wrote this look like the chinese used the last 6 years to totally take their weapons upgrade and technological advancement couple of decades ahead of India and now almost on par with the American s when it comes to submarines and missiles and might be closing with gap with Russians in Aircrafts ..

    if the author writes the scenario today it would be exactly dead opposite to whats written by him in 2011 ..
     
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    This whole balony of keeping up with adversarial nation is propaganda of weapon sellers. So what ..if you have less sophisticate missile ....they still kill... Nation A with very high tech ...kills say..100000 with one missile...Nation C kills say 50000...with lower tech ...the end result...still is that both nations get destroyed taking global economy down with it...even the profits of those weapon makers plunge.
    The overriding factor in War is the will to use deadly force. If a nation dares to use Nukes rapidly and en mass...it does not need much else. Nukes alone are enough to defend a nation. Isn't is ugly truth?
     
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    prasadr14 PrasadReddy Senior Member

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    Nukes are out of question and so is total war between nuclear nations.

    The traditional war can not be won by any nuclear power on another, even without the use of nuclear powers. The logistics of occupying a nation is well documented in it's ineffectiveness.

    This is the context, any war between India & Pakistan will play out. India's objectives can never be occupying Pakistan. We can't. No one can.
    The best case scenario for India is to attack Pakistan in such way that it disintegrates in 3-4 nations, which can then be manageable by the local population, minus the nuclear weapons.

    Now coming to use of nuclear weapons, people often forget that this decision is not made by nations but by individuals in power. And these individuals in power in every country are answerable to other countries. Pakistan for all it's posturing will not dare to use any nuclear bomb. Simply because the people in charge will be put to sword by all western nations. These people know it. They are already warned of the consequences to them and ehm..their families in case they decide to go rogue.
     
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    Many many years ago, I was in Mumbai....as soon as I got out of airport and was in taxi cab, I saw a big billboard
    on roadside...which read " Do what Uncle does, Don't do what Uncle says !" This was just after India tested Nuclear bombs.
    After all these years...I still can't forget this interesting billboard..and the message it gave.
     
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    Don't have the time to go on for all the details, but I think with CPEC coming up and Chinese bullying getting more annoying for a lot of countries, India is in a bit stronger position.
     
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    @Project Dharma paaji look at this war scenario between india-pak-china written here @jamwal ..now lets cross verify it with current situations in Doklam region and see what changes need to be done to this story ...
     
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    @jamwal why don t you write a chapter on War scenario now with the current situation in Dokalam with the chinese and also with the updated weapons we have ...Would love to read a write up from you on the current situation....
     
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    Not enough time sir jee. I have been meaning to start something since last 3-4 months, specially with that Baki tade corridor in mind and have a rough outline ready. But all is only in head, nothing on paper/keyboard.
     
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    Shall we colobrate on it jamwalji
     

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