WAR 1971

[I am otm shank]

Indians were so terrible at analyzing situations and valuing their bargaining chips back then. I hope that they learn better from the current administration and build even stronger astute judgement when dealing with diplomacy and the International community.

 

[I am otm shank]

India is smart look how france treated germany after ww1 you dont want to deal with a pakistani hitler in the future.

Smart is not giving away all your gains that thousands of indians died for that left their country even more vunerable. not gaining an inch of ground or detoothing pakiland was a huge mistake.

look at how America and the UK treated Germany after ww2 . they instituted the hunger plan for a few years turning west germans into loyal lapdog that defended their interests against bolshevikism

 

[Bornubus]

Indira a leader and true stateswoman. Sherni

 

[mayfair]

Indira a leader and true stateswoman. Sherni

Yes a sherni who happily frittered away the gains made by our armed forces (except, to her credit, our gains in Turtuk) and in 3 years Bangla was back to being a quasi-East Pakistan.

The less said about her advisors the better.

But then that is a topic for another discussion.

 

[Krusty]

India is smart look how france treated germany after ww1 you dont want to deal with a pakistani hitler in the future.

The allies slaughtered millions of Germans after the and hid it. There are proofs and recording for it. However, it was never let to be covered in the mainstream media. Allies were as brutal as the Germans. There is no difference between them. High time they acknowledge true history. 3 million Germans died after the war. Allies systematically raped German women. Killed children. Get down from your high horses Europe. You all were equally evil.

 

[Bornubus]

Yes a sherni who happily frittered away the gains made by our armed forces (except, to her credit, our gains in Turtuk) and in 3 years Bangla was back to being a quasi-East Pakistan.

The less said about her advisors the better.

But then that is a topic for another discussion.

At least she cut Porkistan in half and break its back forever (third front for Armed forces ) Annexed Turtok, Tyakshi and Siachen that we Indian still loves to boast while humiliating Pakis.


So first learn to acknowledge these achievement then debate on what could've been gained more in 1971.

 

[Hemu Vikram Aditya]

India is smart look how france treated germany after ww1 you dont want to deal with a pakistani hitler in the future.

pakistan is weak if compared to India in every aspect there was already pakistani Hitler which killed many Bengalis.
And we know how that went:biggrin2:

 

[mayfair]

At least she cut Porkistan in half and break its back forever (third front for Armed forces ) Annexed Turtok, Tyakshi and Siachen that we Indian still loves to boast while humiliating Pakis.

I acknowledged her for Turtuk if you read my post carefully and Siachen as well was her effort purely and so was 1974 smiling buddha.

But to say that she broke Pakistan's back forever is a stretch.

The same officers she happily let go in 1974 turned out to the ones who planed and instigated Khalistan and Kashmir insurgencies in India that cost us the lives of thousands of our countrymen. They should have been tried for war crimes and their jamaati collaborators too. IG let them go scott free.

East Pakistan was not purged of pro-Paki elements and within a year of these 93,000 reaching Napakistan, Mujib and his family were slaughtered and Bangladesh once again under a pro-Napaki leadership. Within years, India and Bangla were in conflict over islands in Bay of Bengal.

IG also missed a golden opportunity to establish a homeland or a secure zone for Bangla Hindus in Chittagong region or obtain better access routes for North-East.

So first learn to acknowledge these achievement then debate on what could've been gained more in 1971.

Like I said, it's a fascinating debate and one for another topic. But as pointed out, it was a combination of immense pressure, some poor decision making and lack of foresight that saw India fritter away most of the gains of 1971.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The confidence she had is due to Army`s victory in 1965, The push was due to Gen Manekshaw Sir and the war was carried on by him and his subordinates all the way ..

She know how to play balls, Was a statewoman on international platform indeed, Inside she was much of a non-resistant dictator which is actually a gud thing as it involve no drama and strictly business ..

Indira a leader and true stateswoman. Sherni

 

[dhananjay1]

India is smart look how france treated germany after ww1 you dont want to deal with a pakistani hitler in the future.

Comparing Pakis to Germany is an insult to Hitler and Germans.

 

[dhananjay1]

Don't forget that these were not just "enemy soldiers" but Jihadi scum who were massacring Hindus by thousands before the war.

 

[Tiger.Hind]

Indira a leader and true stateswoman. Sherni

https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...ort-approach/A9D5970C260C50F2FB9FC70002304D91

Legacy of 'Sherni' who married a muslim, and tried to divide Hindu-Sikh||



Don't insult Ksytranis & Mata by calling some melech di bevee a Sherni, come on bro||

Ksytria Blood wins wars & if she split Porkistan she handed over NE to Pretas & started this whole NGO debacle||

We may have 2nd partition because of this woman & her Hum Do Hamare Do||
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We will boast to Pakis when we take back Nanakana Sahib & march from Amritsar carrying MahaRaj Di Bir w/ melech blood sprinkled every step||

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ।।

 

[pmaitra]

I will merge this thread with the one below later. For now, let it be an independent thread.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/bangladesh-liberation-war-1971.801/

 

[Indibomber]

Credit where due that she fought with Pakistan but to call her a true stateswoman is over the top. She made loads and loads of mistakes. Porkies were able to fan Khalistan because IG raised Bhindrewala. Emergency , 1980 Financial crisis, Refusing Israel's help to take Pak's nuke facilities. Handling ULFA and NE terrorist front.

 

[Kshatriya87]

In a spirit of genuine gratefulness? And what did she get in return? Assassination of Mujib. When will we learn?

 

[Bornubus]

https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...ort-approach/A9D5970C260C50F2FB9FC70002304D91

Legacy of 'Sherni' who married a muslim, and tried to divide Hindu-Sikh||



Don't insult Ksytranis & Mata by calling some melech di bevee a Sherni, come on bro||

Ksytria Blood wins wars & if she split Porkistan she handed over NE to Pretas & started this whole NGO debacle||

We may have 2nd partition because of this woman & her Hum Do Hamare Do||
--
We will boast to Pakis when we take back Nanakana Sahib & march from Amritsar carrying MahaRaj Di Bir w/ melech blood sprinkled every step||
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I am talking about her leadership in 1971 war not 1984 and Blue star. Neither i am defending her.

 

[mayfair]

Your exact quotes

Indira a leader and true stateswoman. Sherni

Nowhere did you specify 1971 war. In your later posts you also mentioned Siachen, which was 1984...same year as Blue star.

 

[Bornubus]

Your exact quotes



Nowhere did you specify 1971 war. In your later posts you also mentioned Siachen, which was 1984...same year as Blue star.

No need to specify it. The thread is all about 1971 war.

 

[mayfair]

To be precise, this thread is about Indira Gandhi-led Government of India's decision to release 93,000 POWs in exchange for next to nothing following such a successful campaign in 1971. The exchange actually happened in 1972.

India could have stuck to their guns and said that while most POWs would be repatriated, the ones accused of severe war crimes would face trials. Plus, the POWs could have been released in batches and also linked with Pakistan taking along those Biharis and others who supported Pakistan till the end in 1971. Bhutto understood well that had Mujeeb been hanged, the repercussions would have been far more severe for Pakistan, internally and internationally.

India held all the cards and we frittered them away, just because someone wished to appear as a stateswoman and was reliant on some very dubious and very poor advisers.

Within 2 years of this release, we entered into a disastrous tripartite agreement to provide amnesty to all war criminals and soon after Mujib was assassinated and the Islamist Zia Ur Rehman ceased power. Effectively, East Pakistan was back again and this time led by a Bengali, which mean we could not intervene again, even if we wanted to.

 

[ghost]

I am not going into what were the actual reasons behind releasing the prisoners,I just want to state few points regarding why I think we didn't have any other choice.

1 You cannot kill 93000 POW ,you can kill any number of people during combat but not after ceasefire that too such a large number, especially after they have been officially designated as POW.You will get completely isolated which India cannot afford even now forget about India of 1971.

2 Feeding,clothing and housing of 93000 POW is resource extensive,both in men and money.It will create an unnecessary burden on state coffers without any substantial gain.India of 1971 which was struggling with poverty could not afford this extra burden on its economy and resources.

3 We could not have bargained anything significant in return as Pakistan was well aware of the above two points.It knew that sooner or later India would have to let go these POW.A country like Pakistan would not be bothered if we keep their POW for 5 or 20 years,any pressure from the family of POW would have been subdued under the garb of nationalism.


4 So India has no other option other than to release the POW,by doing this we at least did a great PR of being a generous country.

Keeping a large number of POW such as above lakh can only be done by countries which have strong will and economy to support this along with international clout to withstand the pressure from other countries.This would be only beneficial if the POW being held are of a SOFT country like India.Which will be at the negotiation table sooner than you thought and will give you more than you expect.