Vladimir Putin heads for Pakistan, India watchful

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how much the deal cost, how will you pay???:confused::confused:
oh don't worry about the money mate,they always have their big daddy America to pay for them.these americans are really two faced creatures.on one hand they say that pak is the hub of international terrorism and on the other hand they give billions of free aid to these alleged terrorists every year in the name of WOT!but don't worry,Russkies won't sell them a toy(forget about the mi-17s!).they know the stance of pak regarding chechnia and dagestan!
 

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Pakistan has demanded rd93 local overhaul facility
deal for 12 mi 17 to be signed
yeah thats the last thing you would do!please write it correctly that Pak has begged for the engine overhaul facility and for those choppers!:rofl:
 

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its the same good ol' desire for a warm water port , which the russkies have been looking for , since Catherine the Great

th last time they tried that was in alaka - just look at the map and see their march southward - but it failed and they sold it off !

prior t o that they tried in manchuria - again the map shows a streak southward with the hope of a warm water port

now theyre gonna somehow try via pak - india shouldnt worry too much about it after all it will give competition to dragon for the use of that infamous Gwadar port in belochistan

Russia is cash.strapped , comparatively and so will sell to ANYONE who has the cash - including pak - neither india nor anyone else can prevent that from happening
off

as for our dependency on them - the answer is not to cut them off - that would be disaster - but rather improve our defence design and manufacturing capability

and that is gonna take a long time - the way its going

but that is the only way - improve our ability to design and manufacture
 
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This entire news is another Paki H&D saving exercise:

The Hindu : Today's Paper / OPINION : Still waiting for the bear hug

Russian diplomats say that Mr. Putin's visit was indeed discussed but insist it was not cancelled simply because it was never confirmed in the first place.
Just like this news:

LinkedIn denies plans to enter Pakistan – The Express Tribune

International professional social networking website – LinkedIn – denied on Wednesday that it was planning open a local office in Pakistan.

LinkedIn refuted the claims of a story filed by the state-owned wire service Associated Press of Pakistan (APP), which quoted the Board of Investment (BOI) Chairman Saleem Mandviwalla saying that Linkedin was planning to establish its offices in Pakistan and invest $10 million by the end of 2012 or the beginning of 2013.

"While we are exploring some commercial opportunities in Pakistan, we currently have no plans to open a local office," LinkedIn spokesperson Darain Faraz told The Express Tribune.

While the firm that handles global public relations activities for the professional networking website, Edelman also denied the head of the BOI's claims, saying that Linkedin's plans are stated inaccurately in the APP story.
Pakis are known for this - making up stories to salvage their H&D.
 

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Pak Army chief Ashfaq Parvez Kayani to visit Russia next week

Agencies : Islamabad, Sun Sep 30 2012, 11:22 hrs

Pakistan Army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani is scheduled to visit Russia next week to give a push to Islamabad's efforts to improve relations with Moscow ahead of the pull out of foreign troops from Afghanistan.

Kayani during his October 3-6 visit will hold talks with Russia's top military leadership and is expected to meet some political leaders, defence sources said yesterday.

It is expected that he will also meet President Vladimir Putin, who recently called off a scheduled visit to Pakistan.

This will be the Pakistan Army chief's first visit to Russia since 2009, when he had made a trip at the invitation of his counterpart.

Sources said Kayani's previous visit had helped prepare the grounds for a meeting between President Asif Ali Zardari and then President Dmitry Medvedev in 2010.

Col Gen Alexander Postnikov, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Ground Forces, visited Pakistan in May last year. This was the first visit by a senior Russian military commander to Pakistan in many years.

The defence sources said Pakistan is keen to seek Russia's cooperation to upgrade some of its military hardware, including Mi-17 helicopters and T-80UD tanks. Pakistan also wants to exchange military-to-military exchanges with Russia, they said......

full story: Pak Army chief Ashfaq Parvez Kayani to visit Russia next week - Indian Express
 

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Good than. Now for India, no need to go for more T-90s.

Get some western tanks.

OR

May be the Japanese one.

My two cents anyway.
 

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I really don't understand what Putin is upto because he is neither going to get a cash camel (in Pakistan's case) nor they are going to get any geopolitical support (Pakistan's position in the UN or in the eyes of world community couldn't be worse than right now).

As such Pakistan's military is under so much external debt courtesy China even if Putin wants to sell something to them.

Gwadar is Chinese property, Shamsi base is UAE property, Balochistan is practically independent.

What's the Bear looking for? :shocked:
 

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Good than. Now for India, no need to go for more T-90s.

Get some western tanks.

OR

May be the Japanese one.

My two cents anyway.
How about letting Arjun Mk.2 evolve and induct them?

Indigenous is the best option better than getting a third party tank.

Our tank fleet should be a mix of Arjuns and T-90s. That's all.
 

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How about letting Arjun Mk.2 evolve and induct them?

Indigenous is the best option better than getting a third party tank.

Our tank fleet should be a mix of Arjuns and T-90s. That's all.
But few top people in Indian establishment are dying for more T-90s only and not for more Arjun.

I think.
 

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I really don't understand what Putin is upto because he is neither going to get a cash camel (in Pakistan's case) nor they are going to get any geopolitical support (Pakistan's position in the UN or in the eyes of world community couldn't be worse than right now).

As such Pakistan's military is under so much external debt courtesy China even if Putin wants to sell something to them.

Gwadar is Chinese property, Shamsi base is UAE property, Balochistan is practically independent.

What's the Bear looking for? :shocked:
May be they wants to make sure that Pakistan stays on their side (after 2014) and if not then at least stay against US from now on wards.
 

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Russian Red Jihad

In a recent exclusive article for World Net Daily, former Soviet-bloc Romanian intelligence officer Lt. General Ion Mihai Pacepa writes how the recent wave of Islamic radicalism in the Middle East, from the Arab Spring to the recent 9/11/2012 Benghazi and Cairo attacks, were not the work of spontaneous attacks, but rather the result of a decades-long carefully planned operation by the Soviet Union.

In July 1978, U.S. President Jimmy Carter granted political asylum to Lt. General Pacepa, who eventually became a U.S. citizen. Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer to ever defect from the Soviet-bloc. He has assisted the CIA, which praised him for providing "an important and unique contribution to the United States."

In his article, Pacepa notes "the day of our ambassador's murder, Sept. 11, 2012, also happened to be the very day the Kremlin celebrated a significant anniversary — 125 years since the birth of Feliks Dzerzhinsky, the founder of the KGB, now rechristened FSB." Pacepa continued:

My past experience at the top of the Soviet bloc intelligence community gives me solid ground to state that the Muslim attacks on U.S. embassies and the assassination of our ambassador to Libya, carried out with Soviet-made rocket-propelled grenades, Kalashnikovs and Molotov cocktails, were just as "spontaneous" as the May Day parades in Moscow — and that they have the same organizers. (Emphasis added).

Communist inspired out of Russia? That is exactly the claim that Pacepa is making. He goes on to cite a personal encounter in 1972 with then-KGB chairman Yuri Andropov, in which Andropov outlined a secret Soviet plan to ferment revolution in the Islamic world via the use of anti-American and anti-Semitic propaganda, including the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," translated into Arabic and disseminated throughout the Middle East.
 

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Looks like Russia still trust Pakistan.....! :D

Russia extends Tajik base lease to curb militant threat

By Gleb Bryanski

DUSHANBE | Fri Oct 5, 2012 7:42am EDT


(Reuters) - Russia extended its military presence in Tajikistan for 30 years on Friday in a deal to secure the southern fringes of its former Soviet empire after NATO troops leave Afghanistan......

Russia extends Tajik base lease to curb militant threat | Reuters
 

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WE WILL NOT SELL ARMS TO PAKISTAN

Ahead of Russian President Valdimir Putin's visit next month, Moscow declared that it would not sell arms to Pakistan. "We are always cooperating with India to ensure safety of the region. We never created trouble for India in the region as compared to other countries. If someone says otherwise, spit in his face," Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin replied on being asked whether Russia was planning to sell arms to Pakistan.

"We don't do military business with your enemies. We don't transfer any arms to them," he told journalists after arriving here on Sunday to co-chair the India-Russia Inter-governmental Commission on Trade, Economic, Scientific, Technological and Cultural Cooperation (IRIGC-TEC) with External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna in the run-up to Mr. Putin's first visit to south Asia in his third term as Russian President.

Mr. Rogozin was clearing the air on several high-level engagements with Pakistan in recent times, which has led to talk about a reset in Russia-Pakistan ties. While Mr. Putin cancelled his Islamabad visit last month, his Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov held consultations with the Pakistani leadership. Around the same time, Pakistan Army chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani visited Moscow.

Russian Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov, who was here a few days ago to hold talks with his Indian counterpart, A.K. Antony, on putting defence trade into a higher trajectory, besides sealing some pending deals, also became part of the story when he cancelled his visit when Gen. Kayani was in Moscow. Indian officials hotly denied that Mr. Serdyukov had postponed his India visit to be at hand to meet Mr. Kayani in Moscow but they gave no reasons for the Russian Defence Minister putting back his engagements in India by a week.

Mr. Rogozin, in-charge of Russia's recently announced defence research organisation, will be taking up issues unresolved since his July visit — chiefly nuclear liability and investment by telecom company Sistema — besides touching on future areas of cooperation in the defence sector that were discussed by Mr. Serdyukov.

The Hindu : News / International : We will not sell arms to Pakistan, says Russia
 

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