USA the land of tolerance, peace and harmony

[Mad Indian]

This thread I think should be dedicated to the tolerance and harmony in the US society. We have been bearing so much about intolerance and advice on it from US president obama. Obama. I think it's only fair if we see how tolerant and harmonious American society is so that we can learn to live like them

 

[Mad Indian]

Let's start the thread off with the latest series of tolerant and peaceful demonstrations across USA by the African Americans there, in the name of black lives matter

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter

Black Lives Matter (BLM) is an internationalactivist movement, originating in the African American community, that campaigns against violence toward black people. BLM regularly organizes protests around the deaths of black people in killings by law enforcement officers, and broader issues ofracial profiling, police brutality, and racial inequality in the United States criminal justice system. The movement began with the use of the hashtag, #BlackLivesMatter, on social media after the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the shooting death of African-American teen Trayvon Martin. Black Lives Matter became nationally recognized for its street demonstrations following the 2014 deaths of two African Americans: Michael Brown—that resulted in protests and unrest in Ferguson—and Eric Garner in New York City

 

[Mad Indian]

So apparently, USA is so tolerant of its own black citizens that, the black communities are protesting for black only spaces where they can be safe.

 

[Mad Indian]

A black man was beaten up mercilessly by Presidential aspirant donald trumps' supporters in his rally

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rters-Trump-rally-Donald-yells-Hell-here.html

 

[Mad Indian]

And of course, when asked to comment , trump, who is the second leading candidate in Republican primaries(he was the leading candidate just few weeks back), on the above incident, he seems to have said that his fans are right in beating up the black guy

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2...d-trump-black-lives-matter-protester-beating/

 

[Mad Indian]

@Energon , I am curious, is USA a civilised republic in your opinion? Because you said India with that mob violence against that Muslim was a banana republic. So this is what civilisation looks like huh?

 

[Mad Indian]

Mean while , in Chicago, a police officer has shot aa black teen, and that too sixteen times.

Now the video has been released leading to protesters marching against such excessive use of force by police

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...harged-shooting-black-teen-16-times/76303768/

 

[Razor]

Mean while , in Chicago, a police officer has shot aa black teen, and that too sixteen times.

Now the video has been released leading to protesters marching against such excessive use of force by police

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...harged-shooting-black-teen-16-times/76303768/

A quick note here.

A cop I talked to some time ago, he was a real nice dude btw, told me why cops shoot so many times.
Essentially:
1. When the cops are there, they are in a panic mode and are on their edge (matter of life and death)
2. In panic mode, most of the shots fired do not hit intended target (centre of mass- for stopping the target)
3. Many of the "bad guys" are high on coke, meth, weed and they have that extra "energy". The cops are looking to incapacitate/immobilize the target. And unlike in the movies and the with the rounds the cops use, the targets don't stop for a while.
And cops due to their training are trained to fire at least 3 rounds (each) but usually due to panic/adrenaline fire more.

But it is pretty clear the US police forces have become more military style than actual police style.

Also it is interesting to note that in the US has developed 4 classes:
1. The political- corporate elite
2. The military/police men
3. The working sheeple
4. The outcasts, criminals/disenfranchised
Reminds me of something...hmmmm.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

The difference is that in developed nations, the violence is random whereas in third world countries the violence seems cultural and regular.

Yes, white policemen killing blacks is irregular!

 

[Varahamihira]

US wiped out the natives.A Genocide for which it wasn't held accountable.And they point fingers on us on fake HR issues.
US born out of HR violations and continued it through out their existing history.Whenever they raise HR issues,they should be shown the mirror.

 

[mikhail]

US wiped out the natives.A Genocide for which it wasn't held accountable.And they point fingers on us on fake HR issues.
US born out of HR violations and continued it through out their existing history.Whenever they raise HR issues,they should be shown the mirror.

Don't you dare say that in an international forum like this,the USA is after all the greatest democracy in the world.So if you don't submit to their "Democracy" their "Democracy" ill definitely submit you and your ilks

 

[Mad Indian]

A quick note here.

A cop I talked to some time ago, he was a real nice dude btw, told me why cops shoot so many times.
Essentially:
1. When the cops are there, they are in a panic mode and are on their edge (matter of life and death)
2. In panic mode, most of the shots fired do not hit intended target (centre of mass- for stopping the target)
3. Many of the "bad guys" are high on coke, meth, weed and they have that extra "energy". The cops are looking to incapacitate/immobilize the target. And unlike in the movies and the with the rounds the cops use, the targets don't stop for a while.
And cops due to their training are trained to fire at least 3 rounds (each) but usually due to panic/adrenaline fire more.

But it is pretty clear the US police forces have become more military style than actual police style.

Also it is interesting to note that in the US has developed 4 classes:
1. The political- corporate elite
2. The military/police men
3. The working sheeple
4. The outcasts, criminals/disenfranchised
Reminds me of something...hmmmm.

While it may very well be justified by some or other reason, we shouldn't care nevertheless.

After all, these turds have no problem BSing about Gujarat riots without know the context. So why should we try to understand their context?


Imo , any act of " tolerance " and " civility " should be catologued here , for future reference and for showing them the mirror.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

@Mad Indian
Good slap brother, to both: their media and Obama , giving us lecture on intolerance.
I guess I should also start such thread on rapes when CNN makes another documentary like rape culture of India.
That will be more interesting even then.
Good Job.

 

[Mad Indian]

@Mad Indian
Good slap brother, to both: their media and Obama , giving us lecture on intolerance.
I guess I should also start such thread on rapes when CNN makes another documentary like rape culture of India.
That will be more interesting even then.
Good Job.

Why open a new thread? We can catalogue all the civilised activities that happen there in this thread itself. We can edit the thread title to reflect that as well :biggrin2:

 

[Energon]

@Energon , I am curious, is USA a civilised republic in your opinion? Because you said India with that mob violence against that Muslim was a banana republic. So this is what civilisation looks like huh?

I do not know what you mean by "civilised republic". The United States is a healthy constitutional republic and a developed nation (based on socioeconomic indicators). When compared on a global scale the US also does pretty well on things like protection of individual and property rights and social mobility indices. Based on these foundational elements the American society has managed to build an extensive (and unparalleled) network of inclusive public and private institutions in virtually all arenas of societal and intellectual development which in turn drives the American economy. It is precisely this fundamental pyramid that attracts people (knowingly or unknowingly) to the United States from all over the world.

When it comes to societal pathology (which I think is what you want to stress upon) the United States has a very well documented legacy spanning issues such as genocide, ethnic cleansing, misogyny, slavery and state imposed bigotry. To paraphrase Ta-Nehisi Coates, racism and organized suppression isn't a footnote in American history, it's our heritage. Not only did Jim Crow laws reign supreme well into the middle of the last century but the effects of state sponsored racism pervade most aspects of American society today (and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future).
But just as the American society built racism into its structure it has continually institutionalized progressvism in order to address its innate social pathologies. This is not a static picture of course, but rather a continual sequence of intellectual and public action that can be objectively observed and put into context. And even though the phenomenon has always been fluid it has a definitive and quantifiable skew in the favor progressvism.

Also, regarding lynchings, the context of my overall argument isn't merely predicated on one singular incidence in Dadri, but rather the concept of what it means to use mob violence as a publicly codified form of jurisprudence.

I am more than happy to discuss and debate the nuances of social injustice, racism, various forms of extrajudicial acts and how different acts of violence signify different things. However based on the nature of all your posts on IDF thus far I do not think you're interested in doing that.

 

[Illusive]

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[Indx TechStyle]

I do not know what you mean by "civilised republic". The United States is a healthy constitutional republic and a developed nation (based on socioeconomic indicators). When compared on a global scale the US also does pretty well on things like protection of individual and property rights and social mobility indices. Based on these foundational elements the American society has managed to build an extensive (and unparalleled) network of inclusive public and private institutions in virtually all arenas of societal and intellectual development which in turn drives the American economy. It is precisely this fundamental pyramid that attracts people (knowingly or unknowingly) to the United States from all over the world.

When it comes to societal pathology (which I think is what you want to stress upon) the United States has a very well documented legacy spanning issues such as genocide, ethnic cleansing, misogyny, slavery and state imposed bigotry. To paraphrase Ta-Nehisi Coates, racism and organized suppression isn't a footnote in American history, it's our heritage. Not only did Jim Crow laws reign supreme well into the middle of the last century but the effects of state sponsored racism pervade most aspects of American society today (and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future).
But just as the American society built racism into its structure it has continually institutionalized progressvism in order to address its innate social pathologies. This is not a static picture of course, but rather a continual sequence of intellectual and public action that can be objectively observed and put into context. And even though the phenomenon has always been fluid it has a definitive and quantifiable skew in the favor progressvism.

Also, regarding lynchings, the context of my overall argument isn't merely predicated on one singular incidence in Dadri, but rather the concept of what it means to use mob violence as a publicly codified form of jurisprudence.

I am more than happy to discuss and debate the nuances of social injustice, racism, various forms of extrajudicial acts and how different acts of violence signify different things. However based on the nature of all your posts on IDF thus far I do not think you're interested in doing that.

We are here adopting definition of US media of democracy- The Tolerance.
India is too a Democracy but looks that US has something like elite status to bash anyone before watching mirror.
Your media cross their limits reporting about Indian intolerance and Rape Culture of India but forgets that what happens to Muslims and Blacks of your country, even after having less than 1/4th of Indian population, you have many times higher number of rape cases. Even then you guys never hesitate from telling Indians that how to be Civilized.

 

[I_PLAY_BAD]

If USA is so tolerant why do we see Black Americans working predominantly in Porn movies and chop shops ?

 

[punjab47]

In Toronto 2-3lakh blacks commit few 100 shootings & murders per year.

Remember only 1/4 of that # , young men.

But India is 'unsafe'

 

[punjab47]

Lol black Friday riots in America, too many to post.