US threatens default to wipeout debt owed to China

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'Default Not Our Strategy' in Getting Spending Cuts: Ryan - Yahoo! Finance

'Default Not Our Strategy' in Getting Spending Cuts: Ryan


Before approving a raise in the debt ceiling congressional Republicans want at least the same amount in spending cuts, Rep. Paul Ryan told CNBC.

Ryan, head of the House Budget Committee, said attaching conditions to raising the nearly $14.3 trillion national debt ceiling is the only way the GOP can get Democrats to rein in the spending that has led to the spiraling debt and deficit problem.

"We want to get real spending cuts with real process reforms that lock in and guarantee those spending cuts," he said in a live interview. "We see this as a necessary down payment on getting the debt under control and heading in the right direction. That will calm markets. We think that will buy us time in the credit markets."

The two parties have been locked in a debate as the debt ceiling reaches its limit and the US faces a theoretical threat of default on its debt obligations.

Ryan, of Wisconsin, drew criticism several weeks ago when he suggested that should Washington not raise the ceiling that its creditors wouldn't mind if the US missed payments as long as progress was being made toward controlling spending.

On Monday, he said default is not the goal but vowed that Republicans would remain steadfast in addressing the debt and deficit issues.

"Default is not our strategy. Nobody wants to see that happening, but we don't want to see both political parties show the world and the credit markets that we just can't do anything about spending, that we just throw in the towel on America because we can't get our fiscal house in order," Ryan said.

Ryan has proposed a budget that cuts $6.2 trillion in spending that has been rejected so far.

Jared Bernstein, former economist for Vice President Joe Biden, called the Republican plan "Robin Hood in reverse" and said it was more of the same methods used during former President Ronald Reagan's time in office during the 1980s.

"Trickle-down economics didn't work in the '80s, it didn't work in the 2000s. The opposite worked in the '90s," Bernstein said. "The idea of slashing spending, hurting the most vulnerable people in the economy by cutting Medicare, college tuition, food stamps...this is your own version of class warfare."

Ryan took the opposite tack, saying that continuing to throw money at the economy's ills hasn't worked, either.

"All this sort of demand-side Keynsian spending-borrowing and spending-it hasn't worked, it doesn't work. The multipliers they use to justify these things have been thoroughly discredited," he said. "So we want to go with what works."
 

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This is a serious issue if US govt is thinking about making this a part of economic policy. Many nations holding US treasury are counting it as an asset against which their banks are lending, what happens if this asset has no value??? This is the dilemma for China:

scenario for USA from a default:


USA gets to start fresh a clean slate no more debt
USA used China for political and economic gain and broke soviet Union
USA will not have to worry about a future Chinese threat
USA will bring back manufacturing and jobs to USA
USA can enter a protectionist era where the 15 trillion dollar economy will be enjoyed by Americans
USA can slowly choose to pay back debt at time of it's choosing or maybe not at all??
USA dollar would take a hit but recover when manufacturing comes back to USA
China own a small portion of US debt (1/14th), most is owned by US pension funds and social security. US would be hurt the most, especially old people.
A selective default (china only) would be illegal and lead to a trade war, nationalization of all US assets in China and possibly a real war.
US mfg is never coming back. It's simply uncompetitive. It will move to lower wage countries first.
 
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China own a small portion of US debt (1/14th), most is owned by US pension funds and social security. US would be hurt the most, especially old people.
A selective default (china only) would be illegal and lead to a trade war, nationalization of all US assets in China and possibly a real war.
US mfg is never coming back. It's simply uncompetitive. It will move to lower wage countries first.

What is USA does not honor the debt owed to Foreign nations??? A protectionist policy would allow manufacturing to return.
 

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What is USA does not honor the debt owed to Foreign nations???
If US default only on foreign debt then it will be like Argentina about 8 years ago. The US Dollar would crash and there would be a global great depression.

The most likely scenario is the US would continue to print money and inflate the debt away. This was explained to me in Econ 101 as the most likely method when US debt was less than $ 6 trillion. Now, it's $14 and uncontrollable.
 
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If US default only on foreign debt then it will be like Argentina about 8 years ago. The US Dollar would crash and there would be a global great depression.

The most likely scenario is the US would continue to print money and inflate the debt away. This was explained to me in Econ 101 as the most likely method when US debt was less than $ 6 trillion. Now, it's $14 and uncontrollable.
US would protect domestic institutions foreign debt holders would not be factored in. If dollar collapses it would still be cheaper then paying back the 15 trillion dollars owed. Dollar has not been backed by gold for many decades now only backed by US govt who is now debating defaulting.
 
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U.S. Debt Default Would Not Be The End Of The�World - Home - The Daily Bail

U.S. Debt Default Would Not Be The End Of The World

The NYT had a piece on the implications of the United States hitting its debt ceiling and running the risk of defaulting on its debt. The article exclusively presented the views of people who portrayed hitting the debt ceiling and defaulting on the debt as being an end of world scenario.

It would have been useful to present the view of people who do not consider a default on the national debt to be the worst possible outcome. While there can be little doubt that a default on the U.S. debt would lead to a financial crisis and would likely permanently reduce the role of the U.S. financial industry in world markets, it is also likely the case that the United States would rebound and possible rebound quickly from a default.

The experience of Argentina may be instructive in this respect. Argentina defaulted on its debt at the end of 2001. Its economy fell sharply in the first quarter of 2002 but had stabilized by the summer and was growing strongly by the end of the year. By the end of 2003 it had recovered its lost output. Its economy continued to grow strongly until the world recession in 2009 brought it to a near standstill.

While there can be no guarantee that the U.S. economy would bounce back from the financial crisis following a default as quickly as did Argentina, it's unlikely that U.S. policymakers are too much less competent than those in Argentina.

Readers should be made aware of the fact that countries do sometimes default and they can subsequently recover and prosper. Many people may consider the short-term pain stemming from a debt default to be preferable to the long-term costs that might come from policies adopted to prevent default.

For example, if Congress were to approve a Medicare plan along the lines proposed by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, this would be subjecting tens of millions of middle class retirees to a retirement without adequate health care insurance and potentially devastating medical bills. Plans being put forward to cut Social Security could have similar consequences. Compared to these outcomes, a financial crisis and the subsequent slump that follows may seem like a relatively small cost.

It is also worth noting that two of the people whose views were presented in this article, Jamie Dimon, the CEO of J.P. Morgan (JPM) and Robert Rubin, a former top executive at Citigroup (C), are both individuals whose situation is likely to make them view a debt default as an end of the world event. Both institutions would likely not survive a debt default. For the people whose wealth depends on the health of Wall Street financial firms, a default on the U.S. debt is probably one of the worst conceivable events in the world, however this group is a tiny minority of the U.S. population.
 

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If a man resorts to defaulting his debt to save his a$$, he is nowhere but on the brink of bankruptcy.
 
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America the Sinking Titanic

America the Sinking Titanic



The Democrat Party is the proverbial iceberg floating on the vast ocean, approaching the mighty Titanic, the most developed, invincible, militarily and technologically able nation on earth, the U.S.A. America has much to fear. Democrat tactics are stealthy, deceptive, well organized, patient, manipulative, and treacherous.

The top of the iceberg looks benign enough, just a group of well-intentioned, caring, almost grandfatherly and grandmotherly individuals who want to protect the downtrodden, the poor, and the middle class from the clutches of the "evil" capitalist corporations, the same corporations who made them rich and put them in power.

The Democrat Party was the party of slavery. It kept the masses in abject poverty, creating a class of perennial victims who could not succeed because were purposefully kept dependent on welfare, handouts, entitlements, and cradle to grave mentality. In exchange for the Democrat largesse, people had to vote Democrat generation after generation.

Target of the attack is the American way of life with its large middle class
We live in desperate times – the target of the attack is the American way of life with its large middle class. The National Education Association, the union thugs, the education rent-a-mobs, the harassment, the intimidation, the violent protests organized by SEIU, the offensive speech and hatred towards conservative Americans are precursors of the iceberg threatening to sink the Titanic. The compliant media is watching and ignoring the disaster unfolding, while reporting shamelessly non-stop on the latest scandal in Hollywood.

The administration encourages progressive groups to protest, to get in people's faces, storm their houses and frighten their children. Liberals do not seem to care that our country is broke. We have spent and borrowed into oblivion. "Alea iacta est," (the die is cast), the Democrats want everything and they want it now. Their greedy end always justifies the means.

The Democrats are destroying the well-being of the American families and their ability to earn a living; unemployment and underemployment are at 18%. Discouraged workers lured by 99 weeks of unemployment are at their highest. Steep taxation rates are driving the remaining manufacturing plants overseas and to other states. Tax and spend is the Democrat Party mantra.

Manufacturing was the backbone of the middle class because it paid higher wages and stabilized communities. America was a country where you could have a job with a high school degree – these jobs do not exist anymore, they have been shipped elsewhere. Consumers are partly to blame because they stopped buying U.S.-made products as they were more expensive, preferring the cheaper Chinese made goods. It is very hard now to find Made in the U.S.A. goods. I found a pair of sandals this week and I bought them.

George Soros and his cohorts have met in a conference at Bretton-Woods to decide how to re-shape America in his vision and the vision of the One World Government, without any input from the American people.

The Bildebergs have met in Switzerland to decide who will be the next IMF chief and the monetary policy for the rest of the developed world. These people are making policy decisions without any mandate from the American people.

There has been a massive government expansion, TARP, stimulus I and II, cash for clunkers, confiscation of GM and Chrysler, nationalization of banks, of school loan programs, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, health care overhaul, and the destruction of the housing market. "Socially just" programs pushed into law by Democrats forced banks to make loans to people who could not afford to buy a home, had no adequate savings, bad credit, and no intentions to pay back their loans.

Through lawsuits filed under The Freedom of Information Act, we found out that the Fed had loaned a sizable amount of TARP funds to foreign banks with branches in the U.S. and failed banks such as the Indymac and Wachovia, acquired by Wells Fargo.

We saved AIG, the largest insurer who is also the most Shariah compliant corporation in the world. Over half a billion dollars of its profits go to fund jihad all over the world, in accordance with Shariah Law.

TARP beneficiaries never paid back the entire amounts given to them and certainly did not pay any interest to the U.S. taxpayers who ultimately are responsible to pay back the huge accumulated national debt.

The stimulus I and II were not meant to give a boost to the economy by financing infrastructure programs, repairing or building roads, bridges, or schools. The stimulus was a money laundering operation to prevent state employees from losing their jobs. By keeping their jobs, these employees paid their union dues, automatically deducted from paychecks, thus enriching the campaign coffers of Democrats. The stimulus I and II were slush funds for political Democrat campaigns and for union-organized protests against ordinary Americans who prefer fiscal responsibility.

Conservatives do not wish to impoverish their children and grandchildren with debt created by irresponsible politicians. Democrats like Reed, Pelosi, and Schumer will be long gone when the bills come due to the next generation of Americans.

Idealist young Americans do not yet understand what awaits them in the future. They are swept up in the communist rhetorical moment of "social justice," forcefully promoted by progressive operatives who are well schooled in Alinsky rules for radicals tactics and by the Democrat Party.

Democrats started an unjust, unprovoked war with Libya that we cannot afford. We still do not have a budget thanks to Democrats who failed to pass one last year, yet nobody is holding them accountable. Republicans and Democrats argued over pitiful reductions in spending of a few billion dollars when we have spent $5 trillion so far. The war with Libya, unauthorized by Congress, must be a good war because it is a Democrat war. We do not hear a peep from the media that was previously so outraged by Bush's wars. At least he consulted Congress and got their approval instead of going to the UN.

How much longer can we borrow from other countries? We are the biggest debtor in the world. The national debt is the biggest threat to our national security. Who are the people who hold our national debt? The Federal Reserve System (the Fed) comes in first place, currently monetizing our debt by printing money, money that is not covered by goods and services, thus leading to inflation.

In second place are other investors in savings and bonds, that is, we the people. Third place is occupied by China. Japan comes in fourth. Mutual fund holdings are fifth. State and local government bonds come in sixth place. Pension funds rank seventh. United Kingdom ranks eighth. Oil exporting nations come in ninth place. Caribbean Banking Center is tenth. AIG, an insurance company that received TARP money is in eleventh place. Brazil, the recent grantee of oil drilling in the Gulf and recipient of $2 billion of U.S. taxpayer money to drill, comes in twelfth. Hong Kong is in thirteenth place. Depository institutions (banks) are in fourteenth place, and last, but not least, Russia.

The year 1971 is remarkable because it is the year in which Nixon ended the backing of U.S. currency by gold and the credit explosion began. "Total U.S. debt increased from $9 trillion in 1971 to $59 trillion today and this excludes unfunded liabilities of anywhere from $70 to $110 trillion." (Egon von Greyerz)

In 2005-2009, the national debt grew from 63.4% to 83.4% of GDP. This debt increase was caused by President Bush's policies. He accomplished this by waging two wars.

After World War II, the national debt briefly reached 100% of GDP. We are driving furiously in that direction under the current administration.

Until the 1980s, the U.S. government had acquired most of its debt either to finance wars or from losses of tax revenues that accompany recessions. After 1980, national debt grew due to government overspending, mild recessions, and financing wars.

Our current options are to either default on the U.S. debt or to monetize it, that is printing $100 trillion to pay the debt off. The Fed has printed $3.3 trillion in two months in 2008 to bail out foreign and domestic banks, propping up institutions that should have been allowed to fail. The bailout weakened our economy and our dollar. That is way gasoline is so high, food is expensive, jobs are scarce, the economy is anemic and bleeding heavily.

Default is a fancy word for bankruptcy – our creditors would ask for payment with our land, mines, property, oil fields, gold, silver, coal, grain, other metals, or indentured servitude.

Monetizing the debt would result in hyperinflation, similar to the Weimar Republic, reducing the value of the dollar to zero, having to carry around wheelbarrows of dollars just to buy a loaf of bread, or burning dollars in the fireplace because it would be cheaper than buying the firewood.

Should nations stop lending us money, we would become persona-non-grata, a sort of third world nation, dragging everybody else with us. People might suffer famine, political unrest, civil disobedience, demonstrations, and wars might ensue in the process. The seemingly innocuous iceberg would definitely sink the Titanic.
 
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It Is Now Mathematically Impossible To Pay Off The U.S. National Debt



A lot of people are very upset about the rapidly increasing U.S. national debt these days and they are demanding a solution. What they don't realize is that there simply is not a solution under the current U.S. financial system. It is now mathematically impossible for the U.S. government to pay off the U.S. national debt. You see, the truth is that the U.S. government now owes more dollars than actually exist. If the U.S. government went out today and took every single penny from every single American bank, business and taxpayer, they still would not be able to pay off the national debt. And if they did that, obviously American society would stop functioning because nobody would have any money to buy or sell anything.

And the U.S. government would still be massively in debt.

So why doesn't the U.S. government just fire up the printing presses and print a bunch of money to pay off the debt?

Well, for one very simple reason.

That is not the way our system works.

You see, for more dollars to enter the system, the U.S. government has to go into more debt.

The U.S. government does not issue U.S. currency - the Federal Reserve does.

The Federal Reserve is a private bank owned and operated for profit by a very powerful group of elite international bankers.

If you will pull a dollar bill out and take a look at it, you will notice that it says "Federal Reserve Note" at the top.

It belongs to the Federal Reserve.

The U.S. government cannot simply go out and create new money whenever it wants under our current system.

Instead, it must get it from the Federal Reserve.

So, when the U.S. government needs to borrow more money (which happens a lot these days) it goes over to the Federal Reserve and asks them for some more green pieces of paper called Federal Reserve Notes.

The Federal Reserve swaps these green pieces of paper for pink pieces of paper called U.S. Treasury bonds. The Federal Reserve either sells these U.S. Treasury bonds or they keep the bonds for themselves (which happens a lot these days).

So that is how the U.S. government gets more green pieces of paper called "U.S. dollars" to put into circulation. But by doing so, they get themselves into even more debt which they will owe even more interest on.

So every time the U.S. government does this, the national debt gets even bigger and the interest on that debt gets even bigger.

Are you starting to get the picture?

As you read this, the U.S. national debt is approximately 12 trillion dollars, although it is going up so rapidly that it is really hard to pin down an exact figure.

So how much money actually exists in the United States today?

Well, there are several ways to measure this.

The "M0" money supply is the total of all physical bills and currency, plus the money on hand in bank vaults and all of the deposits those banks have at reserve banks. As of mid-2009, the Federal Reserve said that this amount was about 908 billion dollars.

The "M1" money supply includes all of the currency in the "M0" money supply, along with all of the money held in checking accounts and other checkable accounts at banks, as well as all money contained in travelers' checks. According to the Federal Reserve, this totaled approximately 1.7 trillion dollars in December 2009, but not all of this money actually "exists" as we will see in a moment.

The "M2" money supply includes everything in the "M1" money supply plus most other savings accounts, money market accounts, retail money market mutual funds, and small denomination time deposits (certificates of deposit of under $100,000). According to the Federal Reserve, this totaled approximately 8.5 trillion dollars in December 2009, but once again, not all of this money actually "exists" as we will see in a moment.

The "M3" money supply includes everything in the "M2" money supply plus all other CDs (large time deposits and institutional money market mutual fund balances), deposits of eurodollars and repurchase agreements. The Federal Reserve does not keep track of M3 anymore, but according to ShadowStats.com it is currently somewhere in the neighborhood of 14 trillion dollars. But again, not all of this "money" actually "exists" either.

So why doesn't it exist?

It is because our financial system is based on something called fractional reserve banking.

When you go over to your local bank and deposit $100, they do not keep your $100 in the bank. Instead, they keep only a small fraction of your money there at the bank and they lend out the rest to someone else. Then, if that person deposits the money that was just borrowed at the same bank, that bank can loan out most of that money once again. In this way, the amount of "money" quickly gets multiplied. But in reality, only $100 actually exists. The system works because we do not all run down to the bank and demand all of our money at the same time.

According to the New York Federal Reserve Bank, fractional reserve banking can be explained this way....

"If the reserve requirement is 10%, for example, a bank that receives a $100 deposit may lend out $90 of that deposit. If the borrower then writes a check to someone who deposits the $90, the bank receiving that deposit can lend out $81. As the process continues, the banking system can expand the initial deposit of $100 into a maximum of $1,000 of money ($100+$90+81+$72.90+...=$1,000)."

So much of the "money" out there today is basically made up out of thin air.

In fact, most banks have no reserve requirements at all on savings deposits, CDs and certain kinds of money market accounts. Primarily, reserve requirements apply only to "transactions deposits" – essentially checking accounts.

The truth is that banks are freer today to dramatically "multiply" the amounts deposited with them than ever before. But all of this "multiplied" money is only on paper - it doesn't actually exist.

The point is that the broadest measures of the money supply (M2 and M3) vastly overstate how much "real money" actually exists in the system.

So if the U.S. government went out today and demanded every single dollar from all banks, businesses and individuals in the United States it would not be able to collect 14 trillion dollars (M3) or even 8.5 trillion dollars (M2) because those amounts are based on fractional reserve banking.

So the bottom line is this....

#1) If all money owned by all American banks, businesses and individuals was gathered up today and sent to the U.S. government, there would not be enough to pay off the U.S. national debt.

#2) The only way to create more money is to go into even more debt which makes the problem even worse.

You see, this is what the whole Federal Reserve System was designed to do. It was designed to slowly drain the massive wealth of the American people and transfer it to the elite international bankers.

It is a game that is designed so that the U.S. government cannot win. As soon as they create more money by borrowing it, the U.S. government owes more than what was created because of interest.

If you owe more money than ever was created you can never pay it back.

That means perpetual debt for as long as the system exists.

It is a system designed to force the U.S. government into ever-increasing amounts of debt because there is no escape.

We could solve this problem by shutting down the Federal Reserve and restoring the power to issue U.S. currency to the U.S. Congress (which is what the U.S. Constitution calls for). But the politicians in Washington D.C. are not about to do that.

So unless you are willing to fundamentally change the current system, you might as well quit complaining about the U.S. national debt because it is now mathematically impossible to pay it off.

***UPDATE***

It has been suggested that the same dollar can be used to pay off debt over and over - this is theoretically true as long as the dollar remains in the system.

For example, if the U.S. government gives China a dollar to pay off a debt, there is a good chance that the U.S. government will be able to acquire that dollar again and use it to pay off another debt.

However, this is not true when debt is retired with the Federal Reserve. In that case, money is actually removed from the system. In fact, because of the "money multiplier", when debt is retired with the Federal Reserve it can remove ten times that amount of money (and actually more, but let's not get too technical) from the system.

You see, fractional reserve banking works both ways. When $100 is introduced into the system, it can theoretically create $1000 as the example in the article above demonstrates. However, when that $100 is removed, it can have the opposite impact.

And considering the fact that the Federal Reserve "purchased" the vast majority of new U.S. government debt last year, we have got a real mess on our hands.

Even if a way could be figured out how to pay off all the debt we owe to foreign nations (such as China, Japan, etc.) it would still be mathematically impossible to pay off the debt that we owe to the Federal Reserve which is exploding so fast that it is hard to even keep track of.

Of course we could repudiate that debt and shut down the Federal Reserve, but very few in Washington D.C. have any interest in doing that.

It has also been suggested that instead of just using dollars to pay off the U.S. national debt, we could use the assets of the U.S. government to pay it off.

That is rather extreme, but let us consider that for a moment.

That total value of all physical assets in the United States, both publicly and privately owned, is somewhere in the neighborhood of 45 to 50 trillion dollars. Of course the idea of the U.S. government "owning" every single asset of the American people is repugnant to our entire way of life, but let's assume that for a moment.

According to the 2008 Financial Report of the United States Government, which is an official United States government report, the total liabilities of the United States government, including future social security and medicare payments that the U.S. government is already committed to pay out, now exceed 65 TRILLION dollars. This amount is more than the entire GDP of the whole world.

In fact, there are other authors who have written that the actual figure for the future liabilities of the U.S. government should be much higher, but let's be conservative and go with 65 trillion for now.

So, if the U.S. government took control of all physical assets in the United States and sold them off, it could not even make enough money to pay for everything that the U.S. government is already on the hook for.

Ouch.

If you have not read the 2008 Financial Report of the United States Government, you really should. Actually the 2009 report should be available very soon if it isn't already. If anyone knows if it is available, please let us know.

The truth is that the U.S. government is in much bigger financial trouble than we have been led to believe.

For example, according to the report (which remember is an official U.S. government report) the real U.S. budget deficit for 2008 was not 455 billion dollars. It was actually 5.1 trillion dollars.

So why the difference?

The CBO's 455 billion figure is based on cash accounting, while the 5.1 trillion figure in the 2008 Financial Report of the United States Government is based on GAAP accounting. GAAP accounting is what is used by all the major firms on Wall Street and it is regarded as a much more accurate reflection of financial reality.

So needless to say, the United States is in a financial mess of unprecedented magnitude.

So what should we do? Does anyone have any suggestions?

***UPDATE 2***

We have received a lot of great comments on this article. Trying to understand the U.S. financial system (even after studying it for years) can be very difficult at times. In fact, it can almost seem like playing 3 dimensional chess.

Several readers have correctly pointed out that when the U.S. money supply is expanded by the Federal Reserve, the interest that is to be paid on that new debt is not created.

So where does the money to pay that interest come from? Well, eventually the money supply has to be expanded some more. But that creates even more debt.

That brings us to the next point.

Several readers have insisted that the Federal Reserve is not privately owned and that since it returns "most" of the profits it makes to the U.S. government that we should not be concerned about the debt owed to it.

The truth is that what you have with the Federal Reserve is layers of ownership. The following was originally posted on the Federal Reserve's website....

"The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations – possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year."

So Federal Reserve "stock" is owned by member banks. So who owns the member banks? Well, when you sift through additional layers of ownership, you will ultimately find that people like the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers and the Queen of England have very large ownership interests in the big banks. But there are so many layers of ownership that they are able to disguise themselves well.

You see, these people are not stupid. They did not become the richest people in the world by being morons. It was the banking elite of the world who designed the Federal Reserve and it is the banking elite of the world who benefit the most from the Federal Reserve today. In the article above when we described the Federal Reserve as "a private bank owned and operated for profit by a very powerful group of elite international bankers" we may have been oversimplifying things a bit, but it is the essence of what is going on.

In an excellent article that she did on the Federal Reserve, Ellen Brown described a number of the ways that the Federal Reserve makes money for those who own it....

The interest on bonds acquired with its newly-issued Federal Reserve Notes pays the Fed's operating expenses plus a guaranteed 6% return to its banker shareholders. A mere 6% a year may not be considered a profit in the world of Wall Street high finance, but most businesses that manage to cover all their expenses and give their shareholders a guaranteed 6% return are considered "for profit" corporations.

In addition to this guaranteed 6%, the banks will now be getting interest from the taxpayers on their "reserves." The basic reserve requirement set by the Federal Reserve is 10%. The website of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York explains that as money is redeposited and relent throughout the banking system, this 10% held in "reserve" can be fanned into ten times that sum in loans; that is, $10,000 in reserves becomes $100,000 in loans. Federal Reserve Statistical Release H.8 puts the total "loans and leases in bank credit" as of September 24, 2008 at $7,049 billion. Ten percent of that is $700 billion. That means we the taxpayers will be paying interest to the banks on at least $700 billion annually – this so that the banks can retain the reserves to accumulate interest on ten times that sum in loans.

The banks earn these returns from the taxpayers for the privilege of having the banks' interests protected by an all-powerful independent private central bank, even when those interests may be opposed to the taxpayers' -- for example, when the banks use their special status as private money creators to fund speculative derivative schemes that threaten to collapse the U.S. economy. Among other special benefits, banks and other financial institutions (but not other corporations) can borrow at the low Fed funds rate of about 2%. They can then turn around and put this money into 30-year Treasury bonds at 4.5%, earning an immediate 2.5% from the taxpayers, just by virtue of their position as favored banks. A long list of banks (but not other corporations) is also now protected from the short selling that can crash the price of other stocks.

The reality is that there are a lot of ways that the Federal Reserve is a money-making tool. Yes, they do return "some" of their profits to the U.S. government each year. But the Federal Reserve is NOT a government agency and it DOES make profits.

So just how much money is made over there? The truth is that we have to rely on what the Federal Reserve tells us, because they have never been subjected to a comprehensive audit by the U.S. government.

Ever.

Right now there is legislation going through Congress that would change that, and the Federal Reserve is fighting it tooth and nail. They are warning that such an audit could cause a financial disaster.

What are they so afraid of?

Are they afraid that we might get to peek inside and see what they have been up to all these years?

If you are a history buff, then you probably know that debates about a "central bank" go all the way back to the Founding Fathers.

The European banking elite have always been determined to control our currency, and that is exactly what is happening today.

Ever since the Federal Reserve was created, there have been members of the U.S. Congress that have been trying to warn the American people about the insidious nature of this institution.

Just check out what the Honorable Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee had to say all the way back in the 1930s....

"Some people think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders."

The Federal Reserve is not the solution and it never has been.

The Federal Reserve is the problem.

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It Is Now Mathematically Impossible To Pay Off The U.S. National Debt



A lot of people are very upset about the rapidly increasing U.S. national debt these days and they are demanding a solution. What they don't realize is that there simply is not a solution under the current U.S. financial system. It is now mathematically impossible for the U.S. government to pay off the U.S. national debt. You see, the truth is that the U.S. government now owes more dollars than actually exist. If the U.S. government went out today and took every single penny from every single American bank, business and taxpayer, they still would not be able to pay off the national debt. And if they did that, obviously American society would stop functioning because nobody would have any money to buy or sell anything.

And the U.S. government would still be massively in debt.

So why doesn't the U.S. government just fire up the printing presses and print a bunch of money to pay off the debt?

Well, for one very simple reason.

That is not the way our system works.

You see, for more dollars to enter the system, the U.S. government has to go into more debt.

The U.S. government does not issue U.S. currency - the Federal Reserve does.

The Federal Reserve is a private bank owned and operated for profit by a very powerful group of elite international bankers.

If you will pull a dollar bill out and take a look at it, you will notice that it says "Federal Reserve Note" at the top.

It belongs to the Federal Reserve.

The U.S. government cannot simply go out and create new money whenever it wants under our current system.

Instead, it must get it from the Federal Reserve.

So, when the U.S. government needs to borrow more money (which happens a lot these days) it goes over to the Federal Reserve and asks them for some more green pieces of paper called Federal Reserve Notes.

The Federal Reserve swaps these green pieces of paper for pink pieces of paper called U.S. Treasury bonds. The Federal Reserve either sells these U.S. Treasury bonds or they keep the bonds for themselves (which happens a lot these days).

So that is how the U.S. government gets more green pieces of paper called "U.S. dollars" to put into circulation. But by doing so, they get themselves into even more debt which they will owe even more interest on.

So every time the U.S. government does this, the national debt gets even bigger and the interest on that debt gets even bigger.

Are you starting to get the picture?

As you read this, the U.S. national debt is approximately 12 trillion dollars, although it is going up so rapidly that it is really hard to pin down an exact figure.

So how much money actually exists in the United States today?

Well, there are several ways to measure this.

The "M0" money supply is the total of all physical bills and currency, plus the money on hand in bank vaults and all of the deposits those banks have at reserve banks. As of mid-2009, the Federal Reserve said that this amount was about 908 billion dollars.

The "M1" money supply includes all of the currency in the "M0" money supply, along with all of the money held in checking accounts and other checkable accounts at banks, as well as all money contained in travelers' checks. According to the Federal Reserve, this totaled approximately 1.7 trillion dollars in December 2009, but not all of this money actually "exists" as we will see in a moment.

The "M2" money supply includes everything in the "M1" money supply plus most other savings accounts, money market accounts, retail money market mutual funds, and small denomination time deposits (certificates of deposit of under $100,000). According to the Federal Reserve, this totaled approximately 8.5 trillion dollars in December 2009, but once again, not all of this money actually "exists" as we will see in a moment.

The "M3" money supply includes everything in the "M2" money supply plus all other CDs (large time deposits and institutional money market mutual fund balances), deposits of eurodollars and repurchase agreements. The Federal Reserve does not keep track of M3 anymore, but according to ShadowStats.com it is currently somewhere in the neighborhood of 14 trillion dollars. But again, not all of this "money" actually "exists" either.

So why doesn't it exist?

It is because our financial system is based on something called fractional reserve banking.

When you go over to your local bank and deposit $100, they do not keep your $100 in the bank. Instead, they keep only a small fraction of your money there at the bank and they lend out the rest to someone else. Then, if that person deposits the money that was just borrowed at the same bank, that bank can loan out most of that money once again. In this way, the amount of "money" quickly gets multiplied. But in reality, only $100 actually exists. The system works because we do not all run down to the bank and demand all of our money at the same time.

According to the New York Federal Reserve Bank, fractional reserve banking can be explained this way....

"If the reserve requirement is 10%, for example, a bank that receives a $100 deposit may lend out $90 of that deposit. If the borrower then writes a check to someone who deposits the $90, the bank receiving that deposit can lend out $81. As the process continues, the banking system can expand the initial deposit of $100 into a maximum of $1,000 of money ($100+$90+81+$72.90+...=$1,000)."

So much of the "money" out there today is basically made up out of thin air.

In fact, most banks have no reserve requirements at all on savings deposits, CDs and certain kinds of money market accounts. Primarily, reserve requirements apply only to "transactions deposits" – essentially checking accounts.

The truth is that banks are freer today to dramatically "multiply" the amounts deposited with them than ever before. But all of this "multiplied" money is only on paper - it doesn't actually exist.

The point is that the broadest measures of the money supply (M2 and M3) vastly overstate how much "real money" actually exists in the system.

So if the U.S. government went out today and demanded every single dollar from all banks, businesses and individuals in the United States it would not be able to collect 14 trillion dollars (M3) or even 8.5 trillion dollars (M2) because those amounts are based on fractional reserve banking.

So the bottom line is this....

#1) If all money owned by all American banks, businesses and individuals was gathered up today and sent to the U.S. government, there would not be enough to pay off the U.S. national debt.

#2) The only way to create more money is to go into even more debt which makes the problem even worse.

You see, this is what the whole Federal Reserve System was designed to do. It was designed to slowly drain the massive wealth of the American people and transfer it to the elite international bankers.

It is a game that is designed so that the U.S. government cannot win. As soon as they create more money by borrowing it, the U.S. government owes more than what was created because of interest.

If you owe more money than ever was created you can never pay it back.

That means perpetual debt for as long as the system exists.

It is a system designed to force the U.S. government into ever-increasing amounts of debt because there is no escape.

We could solve this problem by shutting down the Federal Reserve and restoring the power to issue U.S. currency to the U.S. Congress (which is what the U.S. Constitution calls for). But the politicians in Washington D.C. are not about to do that.

So unless you are willing to fundamentally change the current system, you might as well quit complaining about the U.S. national debt because it is now mathematically impossible to pay it off.

***UPDATE***

It has been suggested that the same dollar can be used to pay off debt over and over - this is theoretically true as long as the dollar remains in the system.

For example, if the U.S. government gives China a dollar to pay off a debt, there is a good chance that the U.S. government will be able to acquire that dollar again and use it to pay off another debt.

However, this is not true when debt is retired with the Federal Reserve. In that case, money is actually removed from the system. In fact, because of the "money multiplier", when debt is retired with the Federal Reserve it can remove ten times that amount of money (and actually more, but let's not get too technical) from the system.

You see, fractional reserve banking works both ways. When $100 is introduced into the system, it can theoretically create $1000 as the example in the article above demonstrates. However, when that $100 is removed, it can have the opposite impact.

And considering the fact that the Federal Reserve "purchased" the vast majority of new U.S. government debt last year, we have got a real mess on our hands.

Even if a way could be figured out how to pay off all the debt we owe to foreign nations (such as China, Japan, etc.) it would still be mathematically impossible to pay off the debt that we owe to the Federal Reserve which is exploding so fast that it is hard to even keep track of.

Of course we could repudiate that debt and shut down the Federal Reserve, but very few in Washington D.C. have any interest in doing that.

It has also been suggested that instead of just using dollars to pay off the U.S. national debt, we could use the assets of the U.S. government to pay it off.

That is rather extreme, but let us consider that for a moment.

That total value of all physical assets in the United States, both publicly and privately owned, is somewhere in the neighborhood of 45 to 50 trillion dollars. Of course the idea of the U.S. government "owning" every single asset of the American people is repugnant to our entire way of life, but let's assume that for a moment.

According to the 2008 Financial Report of the United States Government, which is an official United States government report, the total liabilities of the United States government, including future social security and medicare payments that the U.S. government is already committed to pay out, now exceed 65 TRILLION dollars. This amount is more than the entire GDP of the whole world.

In fact, there are other authors who have written that the actual figure for the future liabilities of the U.S. government should be much higher, but let's be conservative and go with 65 trillion for now.

So, if the U.S. government took control of all physical assets in the United States and sold them off, it could not even make enough money to pay for everything that the U.S. government is already on the hook for.

Ouch.

If you have not read the 2008 Financial Report of the United States Government, you really should. Actually the 2009 report should be available very soon if it isn't already. If anyone knows if it is available, please let us know.

The truth is that the U.S. government is in much bigger financial trouble than we have been led to believe.

For example, according to the report (which remember is an official U.S. government report) the real U.S. budget deficit for 2008 was not 455 billion dollars. It was actually 5.1 trillion dollars.

So why the difference?

The CBO's 455 billion figure is based on cash accounting, while the 5.1 trillion figure in the 2008 Financial Report of the United States Government is based on GAAP accounting. GAAP accounting is what is used by all the major firms on Wall Street and it is regarded as a much more accurate reflection of financial reality.

So needless to say, the United States is in a financial mess of unprecedented magnitude.

So what should we do? Does anyone have any suggestions?

***UPDATE 2***

We have received a lot of great comments on this article. Trying to understand the U.S. financial system (even after studying it for years) can be very difficult at times. In fact, it can almost seem like playing 3 dimensional chess.

Several readers have correctly pointed out that when the U.S. money supply is expanded by the Federal Reserve, the interest that is to be paid on that new debt is not created.

So where does the money to pay that interest come from? Well, eventually the money supply has to be expanded some more. But that creates even more debt.

That brings us to the next point.

Several readers have insisted that the Federal Reserve is not privately owned and that since it returns "most" of the profits it makes to the U.S. government that we should not be concerned about the debt owed to it.

The truth is that what you have with the Federal Reserve is layers of ownership. The following was originally posted on the Federal Reserve's website....

"The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations – possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year."

So Federal Reserve "stock" is owned by member banks. So who owns the member banks? Well, when you sift through additional layers of ownership, you will ultimately find that people like the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers and the Queen of England have very large ownership interests in the big banks. But there are so many layers of ownership that they are able to disguise themselves well.

You see, these people are not stupid. They did not become the richest people in the world by being morons. It was the banking elite of the world who designed the Federal Reserve and it is the banking elite of the world who benefit the most from the Federal Reserve today. In the article above when we described the Federal Reserve as "a private bank owned and operated for profit by a very powerful group of elite international bankers" we may have been oversimplifying things a bit, but it is the essence of what is going on.

In an excellent article that she did on the Federal Reserve, Ellen Brown described a number of the ways that the Federal Reserve makes money for those who own it....

The interest on bonds acquired with its newly-issued Federal Reserve Notes pays the Fed's operating expenses plus a guaranteed 6% return to its banker shareholders. A mere 6% a year may not be considered a profit in the world of Wall Street high finance, but most businesses that manage to cover all their expenses and give their shareholders a guaranteed 6% return are considered "for profit" corporations.

In addition to this guaranteed 6%, the banks will now be getting interest from the taxpayers on their "reserves." The basic reserve requirement set by the Federal Reserve is 10%. The website of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York explains that as money is redeposited and relent throughout the banking system, this 10% held in "reserve" can be fanned into ten times that sum in loans; that is, $10,000 in reserves becomes $100,000 in loans. Federal Reserve Statistical Release H.8 puts the total "loans and leases in bank credit" as of September 24, 2008 at $7,049 billion. Ten percent of that is $700 billion. That means we the taxpayers will be paying interest to the banks on at least $700 billion annually – this so that the banks can retain the reserves to accumulate interest on ten times that sum in loans.

The banks earn these returns from the taxpayers for the privilege of having the banks' interests protected by an all-powerful independent private central bank, even when those interests may be opposed to the taxpayers' -- for example, when the banks use their special status as private money creators to fund speculative derivative schemes that threaten to collapse the U.S. economy. Among other special benefits, banks and other financial institutions (but not other corporations) can borrow at the low Fed funds rate of about 2%. They can then turn around and put this money into 30-year Treasury bonds at 4.5%, earning an immediate 2.5% from the taxpayers, just by virtue of their position as favored banks. A long list of banks (but not other corporations) is also now protected from the short selling that can crash the price of other stocks.

The reality is that there are a lot of ways that the Federal Reserve is a money-making tool. Yes, they do return "some" of their profits to the U.S. government each year. But the Federal Reserve is NOT a government agency and it DOES make profits.

So just how much money is made over there? The truth is that we have to rely on what the Federal Reserve tells us, because they have never been subjected to a comprehensive audit by the U.S. government.

Ever.

Right now there is legislation going through Congress that would change that, and the Federal Reserve is fighting it tooth and nail. They are warning that such an audit could cause a financial disaster.

What are they so afraid of?

Are they afraid that we might get to peek inside and see what they have been up to all these years?

If you are a history buff, then you probably know that debates about a "central bank" go all the way back to the Founding Fathers.

The European banking elite have always been determined to control our currency, and that is exactly what is happening today.

Ever since the Federal Reserve was created, there have been members of the U.S. Congress that have been trying to warn the American people about the insidious nature of this institution.

Just check out what the Honorable Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee had to say all the way back in the 1930s....

"Some people think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders."

The Federal Reserve is not the solution and it never has been.

The Federal Reserve is the problem.

Any thoughts?
Republican and some "Tea Baggers (Tea Party's affectionate name)" doomsday propaganda. US is in good hands. They might elect morons as Presidents but their institutions are robust enough to weather any storm. Besides US has a history of paying its debt when its due. So, no I see no danger with US, US is not Europe nor is it Greece. Americans work hard and some of them maybe morons but majority are sensible and sensitive. Plus they do have the best minds in the world working for them in their Universities and research labs and other sectors. Even Amartya Sen is in Harvard, just as an example.

Stop thinking about US and start thinking about China's growing problems. If US defaults nothing will happen to US, they will take a hit and move on but would in effect sink the gigantic titanic, i.e., China.
 
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When things get worst USA will only be focused on protecting domestic institutions and US banking system ,all foreign debt holders will be shafted.
 

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When things get worst USA will only be focused on protecting domestic institutions and US banking system ,all foreign debt holders will be shafted.
What's wrong with protecting your and your citizens interest? Every country has a right to do that except the morons who are ruling our country. Before criticizing US we should look what the political class has done to India. They have compromised national security, divided the country into various votebanks and played with the future of our children while filling their own coffers by selling our motherland.
 

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When things get worst USA will only be focused on protecting domestic institutions and US banking system ,all foreign debt holders will be shafted.
What's wrong with protecting your and your citizens interest? Every country has a right to do that except the morons who are ruling our country. Before criticizing US we should look what the political class has done to India. They have compromised national security, divided the country into various votebanks and played with the future of our children while filling their own coffers by selling our motherland.
 
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S&P says U.S. will get lowest rating if it defaults | cleveland.com

S&P says U.S. will get lowest rating if it defaults

WASHINGTON -- A Standard & Poor's executive said the agency will give the U.S. government its lowest credit rating if Congress fails to raise the borrowing limit and the United States defaults on its debt.

The government reached its $14.3 trillion borrowing limit in May. The U.S. Treasury says it will default on its debt if that limit is not increased by Aug. 2.

Should that happen, the U.S. would lose its AAA rating and receive a D, said John Chambers, managing director of sovereign ratings at S&P, in an interview Thursday with Bloomberg Television.

"If any government doesn't pay its debt on time, the rating of that government goes to D," Chambers said.

A lower credit rating would force the government to pay higher interest rates on Treasury bonds and notes. That would make mortgages and consumer loans more expensive because most loans track the yields on U.S. Treasurys.

But such an outcome is unlikely, Chambers said. He expects the White House and Congress to reach an agreement before the deadline.

"We think the government will raise the debt ceiling," he said. "They've raised it 78 times ... since 1960, often at the last moment. We think that will be the case this time."

That's also what Wall Street expects, said Lou Crandall, chief economist at Wrightson ICAP.

"There's a recognition that a deal won't get done until the last minute," Crandall said. "As long as the deal gets done, it's not going to have a lasting impact on interest rates or the Treasury's ability to borrow."

Lawmakers on Thursday took a step toward that end. The Senate abandoned plans for a July 4 break and instead will return Tuesday to work on a deal.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., announced the scheduling change one day after President Barack Obama prodded lawmakers to act swiftly to raise the borrowing limit. In a challenge to the president, the chamber's top Republican invited him to the Capitol to discuss the impasse with GOP lawmakers.

Republicans are demanding spending cuts equal to any increase in the debt limit. But they will not support any plan to cut the federal deficit that includes tax increases. The White House and congressional Democrats says the plan must include both.

S&P and the other ratings agencies have warned policymakers in recent months that they could cut the nation's credit rating if the budget deficit isn't brought under control. The deficit is projected to hit $1.4 trillion this year, the third straight year that it has exceeded $1 trillion.
 

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Stop thinking about US and start thinking about China's growing problems. If US defaults nothing will happen to US, they will take a hit and move on but would in effect sink the gigantic titanic, i.e., China.
Nothing will happen to US? Well, let's check out what will happen.

If US default all of its bonds, then obviously other countries governments would use US's companies or citizens' assets within their boarder as the compensations for their loss, so millions of US citizens could say goodbye to their retirement fund. Yes, job could be brought back to US, but since most of US companies have lost their overseas investment and revenue, these manufacturing jobs would only offer you $2 dollars per day wage in a very long time. Enjoy it!

That is not the end of story yet. There is another even bigger US debt waiting on the road: US dollar! It is estimated there is almost 30 times more US dollars volume in the rest of world than US domestic market. All these US dollars will be sent back to US for any possible purchase, so Americans will enjoy the greatest inflation rate in human history: 3000%.
 
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Nothing will happen to US? Well, let's check out what will happen.

If US default all of its bonds, then obviously other countries governments would use US's companies or citizens' assets within their boarder as the compensations for their loss, so millions of US citizens could say goodbye to their retirement fund. Yes, job could be brought back to US, but since most of US companies have lost their overseas investment and revenue, these manufacturing jobs would only offer you $2 dollars per day wage in a very long time. Enjoy it!

That is not the end of story yet. There is another even bigger US debt waiting on the road: US dollar! It is estimated there is almost 30 times more US dollars volume in the rest of world than US domestic market. All these US dollars will be sent back to US for any possible purchase, so Americans will enjoy the greatest inflation rate in human history: 3000%.
US govt will protect pensions for domestic companies/employees they have done it in the past in other bankruptcies. Domestically US will be ok it is foreign investors that will be at a loss.

Government Will Protect GM Pension Plans

US companies have trillions of dollars overseas it will be a positive to have the money comeback to USA and negative for the places where it currently is. This money will revitalize manufacturing and with trade barriers against imports all will be good and the manufacturing jobs will be high paying since there will be no competition from imports.

US Companies Keep Trillions In Cash Abroad To Avoid America's High Corporate Taxes - Misunderstood Finance

Unlike China US govt and US companies are two separate entities. In China everything is owned by communist govt in some form or another.

The more dollars that are sent back to US the lower the price the sellers will receive. Also US govt default means they won't be buying anything so who will buy when everyone is selling?? Inflation is related to cost of goods how this is related to a default is not clear?? This is a good way for USA to take some short term pain for more long term gain.
 
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