US should do more to boost India's defence capabilities: Singh

[Kunal Biswas]

Yes terrorist are often refer as tangos in CT areas ..

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This is not a question of who needs the other more the relationship is mutual and beneficial to both, many Indians are stuck in Cold War Russia love rest that is neither mutual Russia does not view India as the lackey it was under Nehru relations and leaders have changed and many have not adjusted to it.

 

[no smoking]

Let's be clear.

We are not Pakistan out with the begging bowl and whimpering!

No, you are like Pakistan. Actually everybody is doing the same as Pakistan since nobody will give anything for free.
They got the aid from US because their assistance in fighting USSR and terrorists.
They got the discount toys from China because their great help in facing with India.
Anyway, they paid what they got.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

No, you are like Pakistan. Actually everybody is doing the same as Pakistan since nobody will give anything for free.
They got the aid from US because their assistance in fighting USSR and terrorists.
They got the discount toys from China because their great help in facing with India.
Anyway, they paid what they got.

USA has given over 35 billion in aid to pakistan in last ten years I don't think China is even
In close to arrogantly place yourself with USA is laughable. Japan has also given more aid
In last t not years than china.

 

[CCTV]

USA has given over 35 billion in aid to pakistan in last ten years I don't think China is even
In close to arrogantly place yourself with USA is laughable.

Well, seems u know how much we aid to Pakistan.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Well, seems u know how much we aid to Pakistan.

I know it's. Peanuts compared to USA.

 

[CCTV]

I know it's. Peanuts compared to USA.

Ok, what is the amount?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

I gave you usa amount this does not include 400 million a month military aid for wot .
Give your communist numbers?

 

[CCTV]

I gave you usa amount this does not include 400 million a month military aid for wot .
Give your communist numbers?

I don't know, I thought u you it.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

I don't know, I thought u you it.

I know it is nowhere close to USA china does not give aid china is a thrd world country.
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?t=10&v=99 .

 

[CCTV]

I know it is nowhere close to USA china does not give aid china is a thrd world country.
Economic aid - donor - Country Comparison - TOP 10 .

Again, any data?

 

[Compersion]

Again, any data?

The aid PRC gives to Pakistan is enormous and cannot be calculated by simple USD figures as the value of the support to nuclear weapons programme and other military support is insurmountable. Has it been worth to PRC to provide aid to Pakistan - like you said "because their great help in facing with India." That alone is worth much more compared to USD 35 billion in last ten years.

This support to the nuclear weapons programme (without much cost to pakistan - basically all of it is aid):

Nuclear power in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

China confirms nuclear deal with Pakistan - Washington Times

China confirms nuclear deal with Pakistan

How is the Nuclear transaction(s) paid by Pakistan. There are mention of loans but are they repaid. Its basically freebie - "aid" :

India does not mind the huge amount of aid given by PRC to Pakistan but be fair play by the rules and be open. Tell us in our face you are using Pakistan because of India and not because of their (friendship) qualities.

Anyway, they paid what they got.

The Pakistanis will ask PRC for more and later more and later more. The value of "facing India" and Pakistan supporting PRC is increasing in worth and value. They are different to India. Ask the Americans after all the support they gave Pakistanis they still ask for more due to the "facing" they did and continue to do (the latest is the war on terror and afganistan). Do they regret.

The USA managed for a few decades and decided to convert the military aid to monetary aid with conditions which was smart. How long can PRC deal with Pakistan. They are going to use PRC and I know Chinese people are pragmatic and Pakistan knows how to wield USD out of their friends.

Pakistan are a different wild animal compared to North Korea where PRC has more entrenched dealing. You know how Pakistan allows terrorists to enter PRC in Xinjiang province (ask yourself why they do that). My analysis is that it wont be long before the PRC and Pakistan relationship becomes similar to the current USA and Pakistan relationship (with more understanding and appreciation to Indian interests). The Chinese are pragmatic and when they see dirt on the floor they wont spoil their shoes.

The Pakistanis have asked for a corridor (to be paid by PRC aid) connecting to PRC from Gwadar Port (already paid by PRC aid). Will PRC deliver . What next. The Pakistanis will keep asking and asking for more aid and all they have given PRC in return is "facing India".

And the above provides to you the answer why India is different to Pakistan.

We are not Pakistan out with the begging bowl and whimpering!

No, you are like Pakistan.

And the USA providing weapons to India. Its all paid (sometimes at a premium) without aid. Long that it continue. With more joint collaboration will also be good.

 

[Compersion]

This is not a question of who needs the other more the relationship is mutual and beneficial to both, many Indians are stuck in Cold War Russia love rest that is neither mutual Russia does not view India as the lackey it was under Nehru relations and leaders have changed and many have not adjusted to it.

Its a fact that we wont backstab Russia. But its a new global reality and we need to take care of ourselves.

But If Russia needs our help we will support them. India doesnt forget good people that helped us.

Under this is and has to be our new relationship with USA. Its difficult but it has to be done with Russian and American interests in mind at the same time. The Russian and Americans know this and it seems we have come to a understanding that hence the American concentration of military development and relationship on the eastern and northern east side and not western and central and southern india.

Now the American toys we are seeing are making the Russian toys we get better also. Will Russia and America allow India to be close to both that is the question. The Americans will be harder proposition and will want more of the pie and also the obvious aura of the "natural strategic partnership" and advantage of having India close to them. The American toys will also have to allow space for Russian toys with the long term to be decided (basically we want Russia toys to be better but we are having a requirement and more emphasis to PRC threat). There is also a tint of Israel interests that allow India dealing with both American and Russia. I think it wont be a problem in the new global reality that is maturing day by day:

Syria chemical weapons: John Kerry, Sergei Lavrov to meet in Geneva

United Secretary of State John Kerry will meet Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov for bilateral talks over Russia plan on Syria in Geneva today.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Nice post but where is this support of Russia in the Syrian crisis? India had remained neutral or more or less quiet.
Why was there a vote against Iran during the bush nuclear deal? Where was support for Russia when they invaded
Afghanistan? We may Claim to love Russia but our support during crucial times has been lacking.

 

[Compersion]

Nice post but where is this support of Russia in the Syrian crisis? India had remained neutral or more or less quiet.
Why was there a vote against Iran during the bush nuclear deal? Where was support for Russia when they invaded
Afghanistan? We may Claim to love Russia but our support during crucial times has been lacking.

With reference to the Syria - India position if you analyse is in support of Russia and not against America.

http://m.thehindu.com/news/national/india-supports-russias-syria-plan/article5112978

With Iran - India does not want a nuclear weapon state in Iran that is in tune with what Russia wants. India voted no to put in place a new reality of sitting on the big table with UNSC aspirations and with American interests in mind to get the civil nuclear deal. Again Russian interests not harmed.

With Afghanistan not sure where India was against Russia and where India could have done more that Russia did not understand. The policy of Afghanistan invasion was wrong but it provided a miscalculation by Pakistan (that way eventually was good).

Sure india can do a lot more but I don't think india has gone against Russia interests. In fact I will put it here if Russia asked for India help during a valid cruical time it would be provided. Obviously india will not be only one and Russia in fact does not need such help. The same can be said in future to USA I believe india will not go against USA. But the important words are that india will not backstab Russia intentionally. It's new reality it's difficult but both are important for india.

Yea india is getting closer to USA and Uncle Sam is now a huge player in the room. The new reality is the American interests are in indian calculation that never happened before since well 1960. But the realtiy is that it will be done with Russian interests in mind. It's difficult but its the right way.

India can always say to America you requested India to keep Dalai Lama and everyone knows what happenes after that. That's why the emphasis on the eastern and north eastern front. That's my take.

 

[no smoking]

USA has given over 35 billion in aid to pakistan in last ten years I don't think China is even
In close to arrogantly place yourself with USA is laughable. Japan has also given more aid
In last t not years than china.

Where did I say that China gave more aid to Pak than USA?

 

[Compersion]

Its true That if one compared monetary cash provided by the USA and Japan and even saudis and arabs to pakistan the PRC ranks poorly.

PRC is not close in rank to USA and Japan who provide cash to pakistan. even look what IMF did recently (why not PRC).

In terms of military (that includes ports) and nuclear support and to "face india" that is not paid in cash and not repaid by pakistan if valued in theoretical cash value it would be PRC is no.1 to Pakistan (and they will keep on asking for more and more and more ...)

 

[arnabmit]

One more thing about brahmos missile, at one time brahmos were meant to be fitted
On kilo subs as part of the brahmos deal russians intentionally never designed launch tubes
For brahmos to sell klubs instead. If india had a tot on brahmos mabye they could have
Redesigned it into a smaller missile to fit the launch tubes like the airborne version a
Different version.

Nirbhay is 520mm dia, ready to be fitted in the 533mm torpedo tubes. Once ready, only the torpedo tube expulsion and surfacing booster needs to be fitted to make it operational from torpedo tubes.

Brahmos is 670mm dia. Launching it thru a torpedo tube is not possible till Brahmos-III with a smaller dia is developed.

That is why we need the Amur-950 for P75I so that Brahmos launched from VLS can be used.

 

[Bilal]

Navy is so cool,i wish i was a sailor.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Where did I say that China gave more aid to Pak than USA?

Why compare with USA and not japan? Which has Also given more aid than china.