US likely to upgrade Taiwan fighter jets: report

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Althoug as an Indian I should not be impressed by your thoughts above but there is a reflection of truth in your comments and I admire that...
China is weaker than US in many areas..but one thing I like about China is that it is the only country that is standing its ground against US ...even Russia nowadays dont do that frequently.....
US will try to build its defence network around CHINA by modernization of strong INDIAN Army, NAVY AND AF......and the same is done in case of Taiwan......but nothing more can be done after that because eventually what US does not want is One on One confrontation with China...

Only threat China has now is the emerging power called INDIA in this region.....and Two Powers cannot rule the same region......the only confrontation China will have is with India...(in near future)..not US.....

I wish this does not happen....but its looks inevitable because Nor India or China are now backing down.
there are soo many bold characters...it fully proves how excited you were when you typed them....

But however bold characters you typed,India is still not on the screen of China......the only guy on the screen of China is USA.... the other guy including India simplely doesn't deserve it.
 

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We don't care about Tibet unless you count our Buddhist community demanding its autonomy. Even the Dalai Lama declared that they don't want a separate country but religious safety from Communist cadres destroying their culture and attacking their monks. Only CCP papers have been yelling that Tibetans want independence which was proven false with their leader's global declaration. We don't want any part of Tibet since managing the added territory will be additional headache. We just want to retain our states and get back Aksai Chin which is currently under PLA occupation the other area being Northern Kashmir from Pakistan. Both China and Pakistan can keep rest of their territory happily and we won't ask for something that is yours.

Recently, PLA's getting over-confident and entering our side of the border with brazen aggression and belligerence. The only weak point we have right now is a weak and spineless central government that most of my countrymen think is a great and equal leadership which it is not. Barring that, India might not be interested on conflict but PLA's uncontrollable actions are making it think so.

If you really want a good relation with us, then keep your regional generals in control to stop sending PLA troops across the LAC.
Mr Tshering, can you give me one decent reason why India has been accommodating the so-called Tibetan government in exile while admitting Tibet is Chinese territory, except that crappy political asylum reason?

Has your government taught you anything about staying out of others' internal businesses and minding your own business?
 
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if USA goes bankrupt the biggest loser will be the Chinese who have 2 trillion in US treasury, to prevent from going bankrupt USA will simply not honor the debt that it owes China, this will solve the bankruptcy and send China back to the third world power it always will be. Back to the topic of how USA is maintaining Taiwanese AIR SUPERIORITY over China. Does anyone think J-10 or J-17 the mass produced junk will have a chance against these upgraded F-16's????
 
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there are soo many bold characters...it fully proves how excited you were when you typed them....

But however bold characters you typed,India is still not on the screen of China......the only guy on the screen of China is USA.... the other guy including India simplely doesn't deserve it.

You accept it or not...but your ouwm Prime Minister quoted that if we want regional stability in this region then China and India have to work together......So your own PM answers your false belief whether India is on China's screen or not.

Secondly China is very concerned about Agni V, which India is going to test early next year.....Once tested then all Chinese cities will be in our radar.

Thirdly now China also started deploying their Su30's along Indo-China border after seeing India's move on deploying Su30 MKI's in tezpur.

It doesnt matter whether u consider india in China's "SCREEN" or not.........The bottom Line is that your Government does take India seriously and their agenga is very clear in that......India will not stop until we attain REGIONAL SUPREMACY
 

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if USA goes bankrupt the biggest loser will be the Chinese who have 2 trillion in US treasury, to prevent from going bankrupt USA will simply not honor the debt that it owes China, this will solve the bankruptcy and send China back to the third world power it always will be. Back to the topic of how USA is maintaining Taiwanese AIR SUPERIORITY over China. Does anyone think J-10 or J-17 the mass produced junk will have a chance against these upgraded F-16's????
well, To CHina, Taiwan issue today is not a military issue,but a political issue,because to take over Taiwan with force is not a war against Taiwan, but a show-hand against USA.

BTW, USA's problem is not to help "maintaining Taiwanese AIR SUPERIORITY over China.",but to maintain its own air superiority against China.

If USA were not able to maintain a F22/F35 fleet big enough, USA itself would lose air superiroity against China in one or two decades.



Besides, the global situation today reminds me of the situation between WW I and WW II.

At that time ,UK still had global biggest navy fleet and best military tech just like USA today,but its economy and fisical conditions was as $hit as USA today.
 

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You accept it or not...but your ouwm Prime Minister quoted that if we want regional stability in this region then China and India have to work together......So your own PM answers your false belief whether India is on China's screen or not.

Secondly China is very concerned about Agni V, which India is going to test early next year.....Once tested then all Chinese cities will be in our radar.

Thirdly now China also started deploying their Su30's along Indo-China border after seeing India's move on deploying Su30 MKI's in tezpur.

It doesnt matter whether u consider india in China's "SCREEN" or not.........The bottom Line is that your Government does take India seriously and their agenga is very clear in that......India will not stop until we attain REGIONAL SUPREMACY
guy, ranting with bold characters can not make you words more persuasive.

1. CHinese PM' words you quoted are just polite formula speech...
BTW, China's leaders ,France leaders and USA leaders all once expressed that they support India to get a veto of UNSC. but those were also all polite formula speech.

So, pls don't take such formula speech too seriously!

2. USA and USSR have deployed real ICBM and made them aimed at Beijing for decades,which were much more powerful than India's untested short-legged Agni V
....USA has deployed F22 around CHina,which is much more advanced than SU30.
But so what? as long as CHina has its own nukes and can destroy potential enemies, any other's nuke would be all useless and luxery toys to CHina,however advanced those nukes are.

BTW, compared with nukes of USA, Russia and CHina, india's Agni V will be still very primitive, even if it is tested sucessessfully.
 
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USA does not need to get involved with china,China has it's hands full with Taiwan,USA is just sitting back laughing at the one china policy, don't think china is in same league as USA when a little island of Taiwan has them in check.
 

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Intrestingly the US is propping up not one but several countries as a hedge against China..taiwan,India,Japan,Vietnam and Russia
frankly speaking, to USA,none of them is reliable.Russia is on the bed with CHina.

Taiwan is being absorped economily and culturely by mainland China.
Vietnam has a land boundery with China and no Hymalays or straits protects it from CHina.

Besides, China is the biggest trade parterner of all above countries....it is not a easy task to sacrifice their trade with China ,just in the interest of USA.
 
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USA does not need to get involved with china,China has it's hands full with Taiwan,USA is just sitting back laughing at the one china policy, don't think china is in same league as USA when a little island of Taiwan has them in check.
Once USA was also checked by a small island called Cuba.

But now, Cuba needs not check USA any more, because USA now is checked by its own debts....
 

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Once USA was also checked by a small island called Cuba.

But now, Cuba needs not check USA any more, because USA now is checked by its own debts....
Can you explain how US is Checked by its own debts?
 
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Once USA was also checked by a small island called Cuba.

But now, Cuba needs not check USA any more, because USA now is checked by its own debts....
USA will not honor it's chinese debt problem fixed, USA never claimed cuba to be US territory like China claims Taiwan is. USA backed up their talk agaist cuba and gott what they wanted, the chinese talk of one china is nothing but hot air and Taiwan/USA are proving it,Taiwan is an independent country like tibet and east turkenistan once were and will be again.
 

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guy, ranting with bold characters can not make you words more persuasive.

1. CHinese PM' words you quoted are just polite formula speech...
BTW, China's leaders ,France leaders and USA leaders all once expressed that they support India to get a veto of UNSC. but those were also all polite formula speech.

So, pls don't take such formula speech too seriously!

2. USA and USSR have deployed real ICBM and made them aimed at Beijing for decades,which were much more powerful than India's untested short-legged Agni V
....USA has deployed F22 around CHina,which is much more advanced than SU30.
But so what? as long as CHina has its own nukes and can destroy potential enemies, any other's nuke would be all useless and luxery toys to CHina,however advanced those nukes are.

BTW, compared with nukes of USA, Russia and CHina, india's Agni V will be still very primitive, even if it is tested sucessessfully.
Not primitive .....
Agni 5 Missile
The Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL) in Hyderabad, which develops Indias strategic (long-range, nuclear-tipped) missiles, has dramatically increased the options for its forthcoming Agni-5 missile by making it highly road-mobile, or easily transportable by road.

That enables the Agni-5 to reach targets far beyond its stated 5,000-km range by quickly moving closer to the target. In a hypothetical war against, say, Sweden, an Agni-5 launcher, stationed near Bangalore, would be unable to strike Stockholm, 7,000 km away. But moving by road to Amritsar would bring Stockholm within range.

Similarly, moving the Agni-5 to northeast India would bring even Harbin, Chinas northernmost city, within striking range. From various places across India, the Agni-5 can reach every continent except North and South America.

The Agni-5 will be the first canisterised, road-mobile missile in Indias arsenal, similar to the Dongfeng-31A that created ripples during Chinas National Day Military Parade in Beijing on October 1. Indias current long-range missile, the Agni-3, a non-canisterised missile, can only be moved with difficulty from one place to another.

In many other respects, the Agni-5, which is scheduled to make its first flight in early-2011, carries forward the Agni-3 pedigree. With composites used extensively to reduce weight, and a third stage added on (the Agni-3 was a two-stage missile), the Agni-5 can fly 1,500 km further than the 3,500-km Agni-3.

The Agni-5 is specially tailored for road-mobility, explains Avinash Chander, Director, ASL. With the canister having been successfully developed, all Indias future land-based strategic missiles will be canisterised as well.

Made of maraging steel, a canister must provide a hermitically sealed atmosphere that preserves the missile for years. During firing, the canister must absorb enormous stresses when a thrust of 300to 400 tonnes is generated to eject the 50-tonne missile.

Canister technology was first developed in India for the Brahmos cruise missile. But it was the K-15 underwater-launched missile, developed here in Hyderabad for Indias nuclear-powered submarine, INS Arihant, which fully overcame the technological hurdles in canisterising ballistic missiles.

Another major technological breakthrough that will beef up the Agni-5 is ASLs success in developing and testing MIRVs (multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles). An MIRV, atop an Agni-5 missile, comprises three to 10 separate nuclear warheads. Each warhead can be assigned to a separate target, separated by hundreds of kilometres; alternatively, two or more warheads can be assigned to one target.

We have made major progress on the MIRVs in the last two years, is all that Avinash Chander is willing to say on the subject.

Nevertheless, extensive testing still lies ahead for this highly complex technology. MIRVs will be deployed on the Agni-5 only after another 4-5 years.

While MIRV technology is similar to launching multiple satellites through a space rocket, a missile requires far greater accuracy. A satellite would be considered in correct orbit even it is a kilometre higher or lower than planned.

But each warhead in an MIRV must impact within 40 metres of its target. With such high accuracies, even small nuclear warheads are sufficient for the job.

Strategic planners consider MIRVs essential, given Indias declared no first use nuclear policy. Even after an enemy has hit India with a full-fledged nuclear strike, destroying or incapacitating much of the strategic arsenal, a handful of surviving Indian missiles must be capable of retaliating with massive and unacceptable damage. Multiple warheads on a handful of Agni-5 missiles would constitute such a capability.

MIRVs also enable a single missile to overwhelm the enemys missile defences. Tracking and shooting down multiple warheads are far more difficult than intercepting a single warhead.

Providing each warhead with the capability to manoeuvre, and dodge enemy interceptor missiles, increases survivability further. The MIRV warheads are also being given electronic packages for jamming enemy radars


Indian warhead, fighters or even missile quality is way ahead of Chinese amunition quality..........and who is their friend..Pakistan.....A Rogue state, dead already with debts and terrorist activities........even now China is infected by terrorist activities....say thanks to your paki friends for that.....
 

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Blah Blah Blah Blah!!! Badguy will never tire ranting (some say he is being paid for it, its his job) all this has been said millions of times. But I guess people just love to rub into each other again and again and again.
 

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Stern Message to china - Indian Army moves tanks into Sikkim - Don't try to Bully India

stern message to China, Indian army holds exercise using Bofors guns, field guns and mortars to showcase its might at Chhangu Lake.

The Indian army has moved T-72 main battle tanks to a remote area in north Sikkim after China increased patrolling in the strategic Finger Area.

Finger Area is considered a strong defensive position. The army has also increased surveillance capabilities in the region. At least two Long Range Observation Systems have been set up in the Finger Area.

Stern Message to china - Indian Army moves tanks into Sikkim - Don't try to Bully India
 

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guy, ranting with bold characters can not make you words more persuasive.

1. CHinese PM' words you quoted are just polite formula speech...
BTW, China's leaders ,France leaders and USA leaders all once expressed that they support India to get a veto of UNSC. but those were also all polite formula speech.

So, pls don't take such formula speech too seriously!

2. USA and USSR have deployed real ICBM and made them aimed at Beijing for decades,which were much more powerful than India's untested short-legged Agni V
....USA has deployed F22 around CHina,which is much more advanced than SU30.
But so what? as long as CHina has its own nukes and can destroy potential enemies, any other's nuke would be all useless and luxery toys to CHina,however advanced those nukes are.

BTW, compared with nukes of USA, Russia and CHina, india's Agni V will be still very primitive, even if it is tested sucessessfully.
Now, another Air Force base on the China border

India is responding to China's disconcerting build-up of roads and railways to the India-Tibet border by stepping up its own ability to project military power. A top Indian Air Force commander has revealed plans for a brand new airbase at Nyoma, in Ladakh, from which IAF fighters could fly missions to the nearby border, where Indian jawans were overwhelmed in 1962 without any fighter support.

This follows New Delhi's decision in 2008 to station frontline Sukhoi-30MKI fighters at four IAF bases in northeast India — Tezpur, Bagdogra, Chhabua and Hashimara — close by the Sino-Indian border. A slew of ongoing equipment purchases — e.g the C-130J Super Hercules and C-17 Globemaster III transport aircraft; the P8I Poseidon Multi-mission Maritime Aircraft; ultralight howitzers and light tanks for hilly terrain — also beef up India's abilities against China. A new corps, of some 50,000 troops, the Indian Army's first manpower increase in decades, will be stationed on the border. And several disused border airfields have been refurbished to allow operations by the IAF's AN-32 transporters.


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But Nyoma will be much more than that. According to Air Marshall N A K Browne, the chief of the IAF's Western Air Command (WAC), "We shall be able to operate each and every aircraft of the IAF from Nyoma"¦. Our modern fighters, particularly the Sukhoi-30MKI, are designed to operate from such high altitude airfields. We have forwarded our plan to the MoD and"¦ if we get the go-ahead today, (building Nyoma air base) would take 3-4 years."

The air marshall confirmed that an ongoing Rs 1,000-crore scheme to transform 30 IAF air bases into world-class fighter facilities — termed the Modernisation of Airfield Infrastructure (MAFI) plan — would also be extended to Nyoma.

Such is the importance of Nyoma, that Defence Minister A K Antony was flown there for a personal inspection on June 22. That was after the 2,700 metre Nyoma airfield was prepared in just 90 days by an army engineer regiment, using a special compacting compound.

Defence experts are unanimous that fighter aircraft support can make the difference between victory and defeat in high altitude battlefields, but not everyone believes fighters should be placed so close to the border, vulnerable to enemy attack. Air Commodore Jasjit Singh who heads the Centre for Air Power Studies, the IAF's think tank, says, "While there is no denying the utility of aerial resupply and close air support, fighter aircraft should be based a safe distance away from the border. India has mid-air refuelling aircraft, which can extend the fighters' operating ranges."

While Nyoma was initially activated, in mid-2009, as a transport airfield to which troops and equipment could be quickly airlifted in a border crisis, the August floods in Leh, which submerged the airfield, led the IAF to conclude that an alternative to Leh was essential. Says Air Marshal Browne, "We need more options in that area if Leh is shut down because of landslides and floods"¦ Besides, the (northern Ladakh) airfields of Leh and Thoise often get shut down because of (bad weather caused by) western disturbances. The weather pattern is far easier for us around Nyoma."

Before settling on Nyoma, the IAF has evaluated several other potential air bases in Ladakh. But Daulat Beg Oldi was too high (16,200 feet); Chushul was too close to the border; and Fukche could not have its runway extended because of water bodies at both ends.

Meanwhile, the IAF is watching China's developing capabilities in Tibet, just across the Line of Actual Control from Nyoma. According to Air Marshal Browne, "We are looking at the new threats"¦. and all of that is factored into our planning"¦ whether in terms of new (Chinese) bases, sensors, missiles, radars and new weapons. We evaluate how these could affect us."

Even as Nyoma is built up as Ladakh's second major airbase after Leh, the runway at Leh is being resurfaced after the recent floods. The IAF says only part of the resurfacing can be completed this year, before winter stops work. The rest of the runway will be resurfaced next year.

Now, another Air Force base on the China border
 

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Badguy, do me a favor, please. Tell vikramrana India is a big player in the game, and India's mighty military force is frightening Chinese to death, especially those Agni-5 and nukes.

Everytime he mentioned a nuke-armed Agni-5 could reach any Chinese city, i felt scared. It is like a nuclear blackmail during the cold war.
 

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