US invites Pak PM and also warns to control Terrorism from Pak soil

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@hit&run , while I agree that Pakis and Americans bicker like old married couple, things are changing for good now or at least they are in my mind.

  • US is winding down in Astan and if history is any indication, US will discard Pak like a used condom. It has been done before several times.


  • Arabs are pissed at Pakistan and will gladly tow the American line today unlike the past.
  • Pakis found a new daddy in China not realizing that unlike Arabs or US, this new daddy is a very strict and spendthrift one.
  • With increasing troubles in China's economy, even with the CPEC completion in next 5-10 years, it'll play a minor role in Pak's economy. What I mean is that if US aid stops today, China will have to fill in for US and that is something China has avoided every single time. Making roads and ports are one thing, offering blank cheque to Paki political establishment is another.
  • US used to hold a lot of influence in Pak and that is being eroded away by China. Something US is not particularly happy about. Problem with this scenario is that US also hold a significant influence in India but same cannot be said of China. So the days of Pak begging for mercy in front of US are about to end and the stick India has for shoving up their ass is getting bigger each year.
In conclusion, lets wait and watch. If this the beginning of a new era, Pakis are going to lose a lot more than just money and arms.
 

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Pakistan denies supporting the Haqqani network, an Islamist movement loosely allied with both the Afghan Taliban and al-Qaida. The latest Kabul attacks came after the revelation that Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar had been dead for two years, which derailed nascent peace talks initially hosted by Pakistan between the Taliban and the western-backed government in Kabul.
Pakistan won’t take action against Haqqani network: Aziz

Pakistan’s national security adviser Sartaj Aziz has said that Pakistan should not take actions against the militants who do not pose threats to the country’s security.
These brain dead pakis and their logic.

Prime Minister Sharif’s office on Sunday hailed Rice’s visit and said Rice “expressed deep appreciation” for the cooperation the allies have had in combating radical Islamist militancy.
:puke:

The word DEEP is DEEP in Pakistan,Deeper than Deepest Craphole!!
 

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Pakistan won’t take action against Haqqani network: Aziz

These brain dead pakis and their logic.
:puke:

The word DEEP is DEEP in Pakistan,Deeper than Deepest Craphole!!
That means Pakistan is a Terrorist State.

Pakis don't mind their kids butchered but have to keep those Good Terrorists.

So Pakis are gonna destroy itself.
 

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Quite the opposite.

  • India was always neutral, and was part of Non-Aligned Movement, until the US threatened to invade in 1971.
  • Pakistan was a US ally right from 1954 when it became a member of SEATO.
  • From 1954 till 1971, India was neutral, and Pakistan was ally of the US since 1954.
This excuse that US had to choose Pakistan because India was aligned with Russia is a myth.


The US will fight PRC to the last Indian. It is also against US interests to destroy PRC. They'd rather have a simmering tension between both India and PRC, than one side winning altogether over the other.
I would disagree with you on this. Russia and India have had a great relationship for decades. I worked with a top pharma exec who sold into russia. The relationships India had with Russia do go back decades.

http://www.brookings.edu/ Look into this US think tank. You will see the thought process. Also to note the UK hated India, and that may also come to play with US-India relations.

Russia was once the mortal enemy of the US much like India-Pakistan.

Movies here in the US always showed the enemy as being russian....today they are middle eastern muslim. hehe

Soviet Union and India[edit]
A cordial relationship with India that began in the 1950s represented the most successful of the Soviet attempts to foster closer relations with Third World countries. The relationship began with a visit by Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru to the Soviet Union in June 1955 and Khrushchev's return trip to India in the fall of 1955. While in India, Khrushchev announced that the Soviet Union supported Indian sovereignty over the disputed territory of the Kashmir region and over Portuguese coastal enclaves, e.g. Goa.


Soviet Stamp celebrating Indo-Soviet friendship & Cooperation
The Soviet Union's strong relations with India had a negative impact upon both Soviet relations with the People's Republic of China, including Indian relations with the PRC, during the Khrushchev period. The Soviet Union declared its neutrality during the 1959 border dispute and theSino-Indian war of October 1962, although the Chinese strongly objected. The Soviet Union gave India substantial economic and military assistance during the Khrushchev period, and by 1960 India had received more Soviet assistance than China had.[15] This disparity became another point of contention in Sino-Soviet relations. In 1962 the Soviet Union agreed to transfer technology to co-produce the Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 jet fighter in India, which the Soviet Union had earlier denied to China.[15][16]

In 1965 the Soviet Union served successfully as peace broker between India and Pakistan after an Indian-Pakistani border war. The SovietChairman of the Council of Ministers, literally Premier of the Soviet Union, Alexei Kosygin, met with representatives of India and Pakistan and helped them negotiate an end to the military conflict over Kashmir.

In 1971 the former East Pakistan region initiated an effort to secede from its political union with West Pakistan. India supported the secession and, as a guarantee against possible Chinese entrance into the conflict on the side of West Pakistan, it signed with the Soviet Union, the Indo-Soviet Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation in August 1971. In December, India entered the conflict and ensured the victory of the secessionists and the establishment of the new state of Bangladesh.

Relations between the Soviet Union and India did not suffer much during the rightist Janata Party's coalition government in the late 1970s, although India did move to establish better economic and military relations with Western countries. To counter these efforts by India to diversify its relations, the Soviet Union proffered additional weaponry and economic assistance.

During the 1980s, despite the 1984 assassination by separatists of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, the mainstay of cordial Indian-Soviet relations, India maintained a close relationship with the Soviet Union. Indicating the high priority of relations with the Soviet Union in Indian foreign policy, the new Indian prime minister, Rajiv Gandhi, visited the Soviet Union on his first state visit abroad in May 1985 and signed two long-term economic agreements with the Soviet Union. In turn, Gorbachev's first visit to a Third World state was his meeting with Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi in New Delhi in late 1986. Mikhail Gorbachev unsuccessfully urged Gandhi to help the Soviet Union set up an Asian collective security system. Gorbachev's advocacy of this proposal, which had also been made by Leonid Brezhnev, was an indication of continuing Soviet interest in using close relations with India as a means of containing China. With the improvement of Sino-Soviet relations in the late 1980s, containing China had less of a priority, but close relations with India remained important as an example of Gorbachev's new Third World policy.
 

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That means Pakistan is a Terrorist State.

Pakis don't mind their kids butchered but have to keep those Good Terrorists.

So Pakis are gonna destroy itself.
YES, the US and the rest of the world has taken notice. I would bet US NSA is well aware of pakistan's double dealing. I think it was difficult before computers but I would say in last 10 years, Pakistan, taliban, etc use computers and every phone call and communication is intercepted.

The change in trust of pakistan changed when Obama learned Osama was being protected by Pakistan.

http://cryptome.org/2012-info/obl-raid-mockup/obl-raid-mockup.htm

The US was mocking up the compound area and knew that the pakistan military base was close enough and that informing pakistan of this would have led to pakistan hiding him in the military academy essentially creating a war between US and pakistan.

Imagine if you were involved in this....knowing your ally was protecting your enemy number 1.

Every American/UK/India person figured it out....

Today Pakistan knows the US relationship is dead and thus their only way to make money is with al qaeda, isis, Saudis, what can you expect from them.

We can start the failed state clock. I would say next 10 years and their economy and people suffer greatly. The disparity between India and Pakistan will be immense in 10 years.
 

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US will keep Paki as its "most allied non-nato ally" hoping it can be used some day against India, China, or Russia.
 

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YES, the US and the rest of the world has taken notice. I would bet US NSA is well aware of pakistan's double dealing. I think it was difficult before computers but I would say in last 10 years, Pakistan, taliban, etc use computers and every phone call and communication is intercepted.

The change in trust of pakistan changed when Obama learned Osama was being protected by Pakistan.

http://cryptome.org/2012-info/obl-raid-mockup/obl-raid-mockup.htm

The US was mocking up the compound area and knew that the pakistan military base was close enough and that informing pakistan of this would have led to pakistan hiding him in the military academy essentially creating a war between US and pakistan.
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Wasnt India and a few nations telling USA about Pak terrorism looooooooooooooong before the Osama Screwup?
It took US administration a major humiliation to understand Pakistan...Thats sad!
 

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YES, the US and the rest of the world has taken notice. I would bet US NSA is well aware of pakistan's double dealing. I think it was difficult before computers but I would say in last 10 years, Pakistan, taliban, etc use computers and every phone call and communication is intercepted.

The change in trust of pakistan changed when Obama learned Osama was being protected by Pakistan.

http://cryptome.org/2012-info/obl-raid-mockup/obl-raid-mockup.htm

The US was mocking up the compound area and knew that the pakistan military base was close enough and that informing pakistan of this would have led to pakistan hiding him in the military academy essentially creating a war between US and pakistan.
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Wasnt India and a few nations telling USA about Pak terrorism looooooooooooooong before the Osama Screwup?
It took US administration a major humiliation to understand Pakistan...Thats sad!
 

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Or perhaps Pakistan wants to remain in misery so they can keep taking advantage of US.

Misery needs company.
 

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the pakistan pm is going to the US in october. they will be a pointless talk on terrorism and a joint statement condemning terrorism. talks like this dont end with much. the Us does not want to know about kashmir. its only interested in in Afghanistan and peace talks, so they say.
 

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Wasnt India and a few nations telling USA about Pak terrorism looooooooooooooong before the Osama Screwup?
It took US administration a major humiliation to understand Pakistan...Thats sad!
Yes, but I highly doubt Pakistan and India were a priority. India became a priority as they have learned how China has become the new Russia. US had to pick a partner between India and China. Some 20-30 years ago, the US only see geographical advantage in selecting a partner. Today, India has considerably more to offer the US and thats why US will choose India as a partner. Its not just about terrorism....terrorism and rogue regimes are worldwide but what does lets just say African nations have to offer? Once African nations become an integral part of the world economy, the viewpoints of India, US, China, Russia, these companies (countries) will take notice.
 

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the pakistan pm is going to the US in october. they will be a pointless talk on terrorism and a joint statement condemning terrorism. talks like this dont end with much. the Us does not want to know about kashmir. its only interested in in Afghanistan and peace talks, so they say.
Yes, realistically who cares about Kashmir? Pakistan only wants it because its currently Indias. The US position is that this is an internal conflict and needs to be handled by Pakistan and India. We know pakistan never wants resolution. Afghanistan is a key strategic piece of real estate close to Russia. The US tried to build a defense system in Poland but there was considerable push back from Russia.

India should not be sensitive about the US not liking them or their intentions are better than terrorist nations. India gets a seat at the table and a direct line to the president of the US when India is able to have something to leverage. India gets closer and closer every year. Indians should be proud. Our economy and growth is real! In 10 years when we are a multi trillion $ economy, we will have say in international affairs.

Kashmir at that point will be so small.
 

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