US, China heading towards Cold War?

[no smoking]

How funny, so many people are waisting time on a subject which is highly unlikely.

Sino-US cold war? Seriously?

Last year, US is the largest market for Chinese products above any country while China is also the second largest market for US and will become the largest in next couple of years. It is foolish to think that anyone would shoot his biggiest customer.

There is something you missing in this discussion: USSR set up an independent economic circle outside the one dominated by USA. China, however, is a part of the economic circle of USA. So, USA may have no problem to destroy USSR but it cannot avoid hurting itself when it decides to destroy China. The same can be applied to China.

 

[Armand2REP]

How funny, so many people are waisting time on a subject which is highly unlikely.

It truly is hilarious... China's economic crash is sending the world into double dip recession and people are talking about a Cold War neither can afford.

 

[huaxia rox]

if u wanna fight a war (which doesnt include territory issue) think of the consequence of what u may gain and lose....

like in wot.....the US has inflicted serious damage to 2 muslim countries and bin laden got killed finally and islam as a religion is further crushed by christan which can be deemed as achivements of the US/west......how ever more hatreds growing from muslims towards crusaders along with the war ....and the economy of the US went down as well which although will get recovered sonner or later but if the war hadnt been fought the situation would not have been as serious as the 1 we r in......

for the war on libya....the EU successfully toppled qaddafi gov (and unlike the US who lost a number of people in iraq and afhganstan while the EU even didnt in libya)....on the other hand EUs economy went down seriously.....people have begun to complain (we all know the result of election of france).....and in the long run will the current libya gov be friend to christans after they took advantages of white people and grabbed the power??? time will tell.....

 

[Zebra]

How funny, so many people are waisting time on a subject which is highly unlikely.

Sino-US cold war?Seriously?

Yes...... there are total 7 videos, please watch all of them. (I am posting it second time on DFI).

CHINA VS THE US: THE BATTLE FOR OIL (1/7)
CHINA VS THE US: THE BATTLE FOR OIL (1/7) - YouTube
Uploaded by NewChinesePaladin on Apr 26, 2008.

 

[s002wjh]

Two tests, one a miserable failure and you got an ICBM. Even India tests nuke missiles more.

if we only judge US failure on its space mission, one can said US space mission was never sucessful. look at history of different test from soviet, US youll find plenty test go wrong. what matter is did they fix it on later test.

 

[Armand2REP]

if we only judge US failure on its space mission, one can said US space mission was never sucessful. look at history of different test from soviet, US youll find plenty test go wrong. what matter is did they fix it on later test.

It is a matter of verifiability and a certain level of success is required over failure before it can be deemed effective. 1:1 is not enough and you will find any space programme has more testing. There were 5 Apollo missions before Armstrong landed on the moon. Bulava had to be verified a dozen times with success before it was stamped for approval and they are still not done testing. India puts missiles into service with low acceptability ratios but 3:1 is better than 1:1.

 

[s002wjh]

It is a matter of verifiability and a certain level of success is required over failure before it can be deemed effective. 1:1 is not enough and you will find any space programme has more testing. There were 5 Apollo missions before Armstrong landed on the moon. Bulava had to be verified a dozen times with success before it was stamped for approval and they are still not done testing. India puts missiles into service with low acceptability ratios but 3:1 is better than 1:1.

you need look at overall china rocket/missile success rate. beside df5 is outdated, it was what design in 70s. or are you doubting china has ICBM capabilities?

 

[no smoking]

Yes...... there are total 7 videos, please watch all of them. (I am posting it second time on DFI).

CHINA VS THE US: THE BATTLE FOR OIL (1/7)
CHINA VS THE US: THE BATTLE FOR OIL (1/7) - YouTube
Uploaded by NewChinesePaladin on Apr 26, 2008.

Oh, there is always some problem between big powers. That doesn't mean they are going to a cold war to solve it!

When Chinese keep buying USA's debt, it clearly tell us that PLA doesn't think of a cold war.
When Saudi Arab, south america keep supplying China's oil, it also tell us that cold war is not in USA's plan.

 

[devil510]

the economy of the US went down as well which although will get recovered sonner or later

U.S. economy wont recover so easily they won't come out of debt. dollar will most likely crash unless they attack or get one of the BRICS nations on their side which most likely be india or brazil they will try to breakaway form the BRICS

 

[Armand2REP]

you need look at overall china rocket/missile success rate. beside df5 is outdated, it was what design in 70s. or are you doubting china has ICBM capabilities?

China has ICBM capability, the question is how reliable is it.

 

[huaxia rox]

the question can be asked to any country who has it......how reliable is your ICBM???for example......

 

[badguy2000]

China has ICBM capability, the question is how reliable is it.

the Number of CHinese nukes always varies from 15 to 1000+,according to the need of west medias.....

when west medias need use " Chinese threaten" to terrify others , it can be 1000+.
when west medais need show how backward and weak CHina is , it can be 15+

 

[cinoti]

the question can be asked to any country who has it......how reliable is your ICBM???for example......

False question, India does not possess ICBM. we are peace loving people.

 

[trackwhack]

Nothing will be better for the rest of the world than a cold war between China and the US. Like before, one of the two will hurt, the other will hurt later. In the meantime, the rest of the world can hopefully live in peace. And just like last time, I hope we stay the hell out of the whole mess.

In my view it has already started with NATO fcking with all Chinese resource assets in Africa - Sudan, Libya, Egypt, now Syria. China on the other hand is fcking with American allies in the South China sea - Philippines, Japan etc.

 

[no smoking]

Nothing will be better for the rest of the world than a cold war between China and the US. Like before, one of the two will hurt, the other will hurt later. In the meantime, the rest of the world can hopefully live in peace. And just like last time, I hope we stay the hell out of the whole mess.

We were so luckey that the cold war between US and russia did not turn to world war 3. God knows how many times we stood on the edge of cliff. Now some fools like you are thinking it could be a better idea that we should go through this kind of horror again! How old are you?

In my view it has already started with NATO fcking with all Chinese resource assets in Africa - Sudan, Libya, Egypt, now Syria. China on the other hand is fcking with American allies in the South China sea - Philippines, Japan etc.

Suan? Last time I check, south sudan is still allowing the chinese to drill their oil.
Libya? what are you talking about, do you know who were their top customers before 2011? Frence, Italy!
Egypt? Who was providing the biggiest yearly aid to them since last 70s? USA!
Syria? You must be kidding me. Russia is the one here. China is following Russia.

F**King American allies? Yes, but not because they are american allies. You also forget there are some other american allies are f**king these american allies for the same reason: such as Taiwan and south korea!!

 

[average american]

Surprisingly lot of US oil comes from the US, about 41%, after that Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela in that order provide our biggest amounts of foreign oil with Saudia Arabia 4th supplying only about 7% of our oil. The USA has more oil then the middle east in the form of shale and coal. Its just more expensive and there is enviromental problems to produce it at the present time. Oil is a commodity demand will drive the prices up for everyone, India included.

 

[Zebra]

Oh, there is always some problem between big powers. That doesn't mean they are going to a cold war to solve it!

May be unsolved problems drags them to the cold war.
Specially when they can't solve it by diplomatic way.

When Chinese keep buying USA's debt, it clearly tell us that PLA doesn't think of a cold war.
When Saudi Arab, south america keep supplying China's oil,

The cold war starts just now or it will start in (very) near future.
When did China started buying US debt?

We are talking about the US.
Heck, the uncle Sam won't care or mind, who is buying their debt until it is convenient for them (the US).

For that matter, selling oil to China, it is their business.
Even US do business with China. May be US is one of the biggest trade partner of China.

it also tell us that cold war is not in USA's plan.

By 2020, 60 % of US navy will stay in the Asia-Pacific only!
Any reason for that?

 

[s002wjh]

May be unsolved problems drags them to the cold war.
Specially when they can't solve it by diplomatic way.



The cold war starts just now or it will start in (very) near future.
When did China started buying US debt?

We are talking about the US.
Heck, the uncle Sam won't care or mind, who is buying their debt until it is convenient for them (the US).

For that matter, selling oil to China, it is their business.
Even US do business with China. May be US is one of the biggest trade partner of China.



By 2020, 60 % of US navy will stay in the Asia-Pacific only!
Any reason for that?

you mean raise from current 50%. US/china might not see eye to eye on certain policy but we are stuck with each other due to our economic tie/trade etc. this didn't happen during USSR era. the fact is the economy tie are so important, this will make any potential conflict, severe negative impact MUCH less likely to happen from both side. both side has to worry about other issue that can be affect

 

[no smoking]

May be unsolved problems drags them to the cold war.
Specially when they can't solve it by diplomatic way.
The cold war starts just now or it will start in (very) near future.

You must tell what is this unsolved problems that can drags them to the cold war!

When did China started buying US debt?

We are talking about the US.
Heck, the uncle Sam won't care or mind, who is buying their debt until it is convenient for them (the US).

For that matter, selling oil to China, it is their business.
Even US do business with China. May be US is one of the biggest trade partner of China.

Yes, business! That is far more important factor than war! It will impact your economy, your employment rate, your people's living standard and your chance to be next president!
Today and in near future, the major problems between China and USA are still all about economy. No one in right mind would think killing millions of Chinese or Americans could solve this kind of problems.

By 2020, 60 % of US navy will stay in the Asia-Pacific only!
Any reason for that?

So what? None Chinese see that is the sign of a cold war! Calm down, my friend, will you?

 

[average american]

i dont see the same circumstances that led to the cold war with the USSR in place for a cold war with China. The cold war was caused by the ideology of communism and the ruthless way it was implemented in China and Russia resulting in in the deaths of tens of millions,, maybe even 200 million and the ruthless way it was implemented by force in eastern Europe. It was seen as a threat to the USA in that it was a ideology that they were going to force on the rest of the world. In this case China has to worry be cause of the USA having an ideology of freedom, liberty and democracy thats a theat to the present day rulers of China. What whe had in the past was conflicting Capitalism, as an ideology, is basically the same as economic liberalism. It also involves certain individual values such as thrift and hard work with Communism, perhaps, the dialectical opposite of Capitalism. Communism is based upon the ideology of Marxism because Marx used the term in his famous Communist Manifesto. Communism is a particular type of socialism. Socialism has as its central focus the idea that the state should be the owner of the means of production.

I dont think that differance is there with China, it does not mean that we wont have conflicts and differances, We are going to be the two big dogs in the pact and are going to test each other from time to time.