US B-52 Bombers Challenge Disputed China Air Zone

[ice berg]

Another escape artist...

Says the guy who couldnt adress my point.

 

[Compersion]

The last time that I have checked the ADIZ of PRC is still there. Also the last time I have checked the Americans, Japanese, South Koreans have defied PRC and gone into the PRC ADIZ without notifying PRC.

There must be a reason why PRC did this. Because internationally and amongst the regional nations and globally (except probably by some in PRC, Hong Kong and Taiwan) they have taken a huge reputational loss by declaring the unilateral ADIZ as well as the timing of its declaration right after the leadership summit.

It reminds me of Depsang. It looks good on a game board but the reality is the PRC reputational loss and reaction thereafter looks childish and immature why they did it and the timing. America also showed that it sabre-rattle with confidence against PRC.

I sure hope the PRC knows what they are doing and don't make things worse and I am pretty sure they wont. I do believe that PRC are prone to behave differently on the ground compared to at the top. The PRC leadership at the top like what they have and look to be more composed compared to the others down the hierarchical structure.

If the aim was to declare the ADIZ and compromise on the reputation of PRC it is not worth it that I am sure that the PRC leadership will not like to have in the long-term.

Is this all being done with Taiwan in mind. I think that is a important dimension that needs to be explored further.

China's ADIZ: Taiwan's Dilemma
If Taiwan ever wants to be an equal participant in regional security, it must stand up to China over the new ADIZ.
http://thediplomat.com/2013/11/chinas-adiz-taiwans-dilemma/

Whats next on the game-board - will the PRC create trouble along the LAC because India and Japan ties are getting closer.

 

[ice berg]

Nonsens, it got nothing to do with Taiwan, everything to do with Japan.

 

[happy]

why are you in a hurry to conclude that China wont be able to enforce it?

except Americans, who else dares challenge Chinese newly established ADIZ? dealing with a super power like US requires extreme patience, caution and flexibility. we will give time for Americans to digest the reality.

If you wish China to have a conflict with America just because they insulted China by flying bombers over Chinese ADIZ right after its establishment, then you will be disappointed.

China is being squeezed into a very disadvantage situation in the game, by establishing ADIZ, China is simply to get a breath of air. China wont go further and attempt to cut off access of America to this region.

what Americans are doing is
taking advantage of the situation and pushing China to make mistakes. everyone including you want to see China making a mistake, then the growth of China is gonna be stopped.

Well, you seem to be ignorant of the fact that not just US even the South Koreans and Japs have also defied your ADIZ. The whole world is going to be pushing China around and more so the rest of the countries around SCS. Congrats China, you have established yourself as the greatset dumbass in the 21st century yet.

 

[happy]

To adress your sentence.

You have the right to remain silent. Does it means you have to remain silent?

Learn the nuance.

Very good face saving act !!! You have the capacity to bark but not to bite !!! Go on, bark as much as you want, but gradually your bark will be whittled down to a whimper caused more by agony rather than threat !!!

 

[happy]

Says the guy who couldnt adress my point.

If you keep barking, what is there to address except to shut you up for good !!!!

 

[Illusive]

Since 2010, there were more than 400 times that Chinese military plane getting into Japanese AIZ without notice, how many times do you think Japanese lost their "face"?

Since 1945, hundredes of soviet/russian military planes getting into American AIZ without identifiying themselves, according to you, American must be a pure "paper tiger".

Do you really understand what is meaning of AIZ?
It is not sovereign airspace, other countries have no obligation to follow your rules in this area. But it provides a legal basis for you to send your fighter for a "friendly welcome" whenever you like.

In case of US and USSR, both played those games, cold war?

In this case its not about what AIZ means, here China has encroached on Japanese AIZ over the senkaku islands which China has claimed to be its own but doesn't control. US flying B52 is a symbolic gesture of a middle finger shown to China's claims, most recently being the new extended AIZ

Everyones watching this region, so for a country which is not only the second largest economy but also having the second largest military budget to be pawned like this is embarrassing.

 

[ice berg]

Very good face saving act !!! You have the capacity to bark but not to bite !!! Go on, bark as much as you want, but gradually your bark will be whittled down to a whimper caused more by agony rather than threat !!!

The only one barking here are you, sir.
I am asking a simple question. Not that you are bright enough to catch it, of course.

 

[ice berg]

If you keep barking, what is there to address except to shut you up for good !!!!

I guess they didnt teach you at school that writting multiple emos dosnt make your sentences more logical.

 

[SPIEZ]

Coming back to topic, what is China's response to US,in fact USA, Japanese and South Korean planes invading their ADIZ?

 

[Ray]

Coming back to topic, what is China's response to US,in fact USA, Japanese and South Korean planes invading their ADIZ?

Responding to the US requires a lot of guts and being ready for the consequences.

Now, that is something China does not have.

They can bully weaker neighbours, but not those who can hit back hard.

The problem for China, she has made so many enemies because of her hegemonic imperialist designs, there will be others who will join the us.

Already Japan and South Korea has told China to take a hike!

China will not dare bring down any aircraft from any Nation.

and if she brings down a commercial airliner, then there will be hell to pay.

Not one Chinese civil airliner will be safe to move in the international airspace!

China will become an international pariah!

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This is an oil grab by china, there is lot of oil in South China seas and china wants to
Steal it all .the territorial claims are smokescreen.

 

[Ray]

Air zone 'not aimed at civilian flights'

China's newly announced air defense identification zone does not target "normal" flights by international airliners, the Foreign Ministry said on Thursday, as Chinese fighter jets patrolled the zone.

Beijing rejected Japan's demand that it scrap the zone, saying Tokyo should invalidate its own zone first.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said China's zone is not aimed at international airliners. "We hope that relevant countries' airlines cooperate, so there is more order and safety for flights."

Civilian flights have been operating safely and normally since China announced the zone, which covers its Diaoyu Islands, on Saturday, Qin said.

China requires aircraft to provide a flight plan and their identification and to maintain two-way radio contact to respond to identification queries from Chinese authorities.

Qin said airlines from many countries and regions have reported their flight plans to the Chinese authorities.

Shen Jinke, spokesman for the PLA air force, said Chinese fighter jets carried out a regular patrol in the zone on Thursday.

Such patrols are for defense purposes and in line with international practice, Shen said.

Defense Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun said at a news conference on Thursday that Tokyo, which asked Beijing to cancel its zone, set up its own air defense zone in 1969.

More than 20 countries, including the United States and Japan, have established such zones.

"If they want China to cancel the zone, then we would ask that Japan first revoke its own zone. Japan consistently blames others and smears the name of other countries but never examines its own conduct," Yang said.

Japan will unveil its updated long-term defense policy next month, which calls for stronger air and maritime surveillance capabilities, citing threats from China.

Japan and South Korea said on Thursday that their military planes have flown through China's air defense zone.

Two US B-52 bombers flew through the zone on Tuesday. China's Defense Ministry said the military monitored the entire process and ascertained they were US aircraft.

Gary Li, a Beijing-based senior analyst with consulting group IHS Aerospace, Defence and Maritime, told Reuters he does not believe People's Liberation Army planes will patrol extensively in the defense zone.

"I think it will be more a case of China flying enough planes to make a point — it is quite a strain on any force to maintain some kind of 24-hour presence in the air," he said.

"It must be remembered that this is not a no-fly zone — China doesn't have to operate extensive patrols to make its presence felt."

Li said he believes that coastal air defense radar will be used for routine coverage of the new zone.

Planes — whether surveillance aircraft or fighter jets — will be used generally for more specific tasks, he said.

Xing Hongbo, a military expert, said the methods to identify foreign aircraft also include technical detection.

"China has successfully identified those foreign aircraft, meaning that it has achieved early-warning through the zone," he said.

Biden's focus

In Washington on Wednesday, a senior US official said in a briefing on Vice-President Joseph Biden's Asia trip that he will convey US concerns directly to Chinese leaders and seek clarity regarding China's intentions.

Biden leaves on Sunday, heading to Japan, China and South Korea.

Xing said: "There is no reason for the US to blame China for establishing such a zone, because Washington was the first ... to set up such a zone. It also strengthened its air defense zone system after the Sept 11 terrorist attacks.

"It is Japan's illegal 'purchase' of China's Diaoyu Islands that fueled tensions in East Asia."

The US official, who did not give his name, said of Biden's visit: "He's going to have a very high-level and a very wide-ranging dialogue with the senior Chinese leadership that covers a wide range of shared interests along with areas of concern.

"He will pick up where President (Barack) Obama and President Xi (Jinping) left off after Sunnylands and the G20, with the kind of high-level personal engagement between the top leadership of our two countries that is an essential part of advancing the US-China relationship in the 21st century," the official said.

He was referring to the informal summit between Xi and Obama at the Sunnylands private estate in California in early June.

Air zone 'not aimed at civilian flights' - Chinadaily.com.cn

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Now that the US, Japan and South Korea has called China's bluff, they are on the back foot!

What utter tripe is being bandied - China's zone is not aimed at international airliners. ?

"It must be remembered that this is not a no-fly zone — China doesn't have to operate extensive patrols to make its presence felt.". Really? Isn't that obvious? It is obvious that when the US flies through this ridiculous 'zone', China will find that it does not have to operate extensive partols.

Because if they do, then they will be the losers!

 

[happy]

I guess they didnt teach you at school that writting multiple emos dosnt make your sentences more logical.

You will know very soon what they teach in school when China succumbs to international pressure and cannot enforce any military action against puny countries such as even vietnam. You have now taken the threat to the next level by sending fighters, you will see the reaction of US and your fighters will scramble to their home base. Be ready to welcome them !!!

 

[happy]

The only one barking here are you, sir.
I am asking a simple question. Not that you are bright enough to catch it, of course.

And what is your simple question ?? That TOI is not reliable and GT is also not reliable ???

That your airforce general declared hostile aircraft to be shot down and yet you are still monitoring the flights of US, SK and Japs ???

Come on kid, you can do better. Didn't you get enough training in the ccp or perhaps you can leave it to your "interlocutors" as @t_co put it.

 

[ice berg]

You will know very soon what they teach in school when China succumbs to international pressure and cannot enforce any military action against puny countries such as even vietnam. You have now taken the threat to the next level by sending fighters, you will see the reaction of US and your fighters will scramble to their home base. Be ready to welcome them !!!

Based on your post, it seems basic geography is not taught at your school.
Vietnam isnt near the air identify zone. Learn to read a map first.

 

[ice berg]

And what is your simple question ?? That TOI is not reliable and GT is also not reliable ???

That your airforce general declared hostile aircraft to be shot down and yet you are still monitoring the flights of US, SK and Japs ???

Come on kid, you can do better. Didn't you get enough training in the ccp or perhaps you can leave it to your "interlocutors" as @t_co put it.

Kid, please point out the section where the general said hostile aircraft to be shot down.

Based on your previous posts, I doubt you know the difference between a No-fly-zone and an air identify zone.

 

[Compersion]

The role of the Taiwan and Taiwanese people needs to be merged into the discussion about the ADIZ by PRC. The PRC wants to create a positive image and semblance with Taiwan. This would reinforce the One China Principle and further push the envelope on unification.

The PRC is involved in Senkaku Islands (Diaoyu Islands) because of Taiwan. The PRC is being aggressive and telling the Taiwanese that they are standing up for them.

But did the Taiwanese ask for that. Do the Taiwanese want to provoke the Japanese.

The common-man in Taiwan will think differently and there is a feeling of camaraderie between people of PRC, Hong Kong and Taiwan on this issue.

Its one issue that reinforces the One China Principle. And the PRC is using this for such purpose.

The PRC have gained what they want. The last time that I have checked the ADIZ of PRC is still there. Also the last time I have checked the Americans, Japanese, South Koreans have defied PRC and gone into the PRC ADIZ without notifying PRC.

There must be a reason why PRC did this. Because internationally and amongst the regional nations and globally (except probably by some in PRC, Hong Kong and Taiwan) they have taken a huge reputational loss by declaring the unilateral ADIZ.

It wont be a surprise if the Japanese, South Koreans and Americans speak to Taiwan and make it juicy.

The One China Principle with modern characteristics.

How much of the PRC ADIZ is the Taiwanese ADIZ (Taiwan Exclusive Economic Zone).

 

[happy]

Based on your post, it seems basic geography is not taught at your school.
Vietnam isnt near the air identify zone. Learn to read a map first.

Learn to first understand the context of the post before replying BS. I nowhere said that vietnam is in or near adiz. FYI, I meant that even countries such as vietnam will defy your so called adiz which has already reduced to from all aircraft to civilian flights are exempted.

Go and parade somewhere else.

 

[happy]

Kid, please point out the section where the general said hostile aircraft to be shot down.

Based on your previous posts, I doubt you know the difference between a No-fly-zone and an air identify zone.

Are you color blind or dont you read previous posts becoz links do appear slightly greyish. . Go back and read post no.38 and dont come back and tell me it was already aptly replied in post no.39, you brat.