United States backtracks on order of Javelin missile sale to India

[Neil]

Javelin Sale To India On Track


NEW DELHI — The clouds over a U.S. deal to sell FGM-148 Javelin anti-tank guided missiles to India have cleared, with U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta saying the U.S. government is committed to the sale.

Until Panetta's visit to India on June 5, there were fears that the Indian army's plan to equip its 350-odd infantry battalions with thousands of Javelin missiles was going to hit a wall, amid reports that the U.S. State Department has slashed India's request for the missiles and planned to offer only a limited quantity.

Discounting such speculation, Panetta says, "I don't know where the hell that story came from . . . it's not true. We haven't cut the sale in half.

"I want to assure you that we're committed to a full sale of the Javelin to India," he says. "And we are working very closely with India not only on that sale, but on other sales as well to try to improve their capabilities."

Faced with a huge shortfall of anti-tank missiles and the delayed induction of the indigenous Nag missile, India has been scouting for adequate offensive systems and has been in talks since 2008 with the U.S. about the Javelin, which is built by Lockheed Martin and Raytheon.

Panetta admits that the bureaucratic process in the Obama administration has delayed several military sales to India, and the Javelin deal is no exception.

"Oftentimes we run into the barriers of various laws that have been passed either by our Congress or your congress and that sometimes provide bureaucratic barriers to trying to complete these sales," Panetta says. "I have asked my deputy secretary Ash Carter to oversee this effort and try to develop a broader strategy to be more effective in trying to reduce the barriers and improve the efficiency in those sales. So that's the approach that I'm hoping to take," Panetta says.

U.S. defense sales to India have crossed the $8 billion mark over the past decade, and the relationship between the two countries must now mature from the current buyer-seller arrangement to co-production and joint research and development, Panetta says.


Javelin Sale To India On Track

 

[Archer]

"Faced with a huge shortfall of anti-tank missiles and the delayed induction of the indigenous Nag missile, India has been scouting for adequate offensive systems and has been in talks since 2008 with the U.S. about the Javelin, which is built by Lockheed Martin and Raytheon."

Media idiots keep linking Nag to Javelin. That idiot Rajat Pandit started this rubbish. Nag is for mech formations and recce and scout units. How the heck is it related to the Javelin?

Second, as if India does not have ATMs already, with a 40K inventory of various kinds of Milans, Konkurs and advanced versions in induction, its hardly as if the IA is defenceless.

Stupid manufactured hype

 

[Bhadra]

"Faced with a huge shortfall of anti-tank missiles and the delayed induction of the indigenous Nag missile, India has been scouting for adequate offensive systems and has been in talks since 2008 with the U.S. about the Javelin, which is built by Lockheed Martin and Raytheon."

Media idiots keep linking Nag to Javelin. That idiot Rajat Pandit started this rubbish. Nag is for mech formations and recce and scout units. How the heck is it related to the Javelin?

Second, as if India does not have ATMs already, with a 40K inventory of various kinds of Milans, Konkurs and advanced versions in induction, its hardly as if the IA is defenceless.

Stupid manufactured hype

Both are Anti tank weapons but Javelins are man portable and Nag is not. So how can you supplement Javelins with Naag? Concurs and Milans are second generation missiles with limited night capabilities and lesser ranges.

Today infantry battalion is a very potent anti tank forces . Just see, they have more than 40 rocket launchers (range half a Km with very good penetration), eight missile launchers (with Javelins 4 km plus) Infantry Mortars with top attack munitions ( 9 Km) and a layout of anti tank bar mines. Many places would have anti tank obstacles.
This force would be supported by Tanks, IFVs, Missiles such as Naag, Apaches, missile companies ...
Any tank commander would think twice before confronting such an array. Al Khalids would be made to do dance of destruction by such arrangements.

Javelins (or equivalent weapon system) thus is necessary link of the chain which is today filled by second generation missiles like Milan.

 

[Immanuel]

Aren't we getting the SPIKE -ER for the BMP missile upgrades? We'll have best of both worlds, I also think 60K Javelins will allow us to have a great advantage on the battle field for the infantry, Javelin is ideal for infantry operations, allows for shoot and scoot.

Javelin system weighs 22.3 kgs while the Spike-MR weighs in at 26 kgs. Javelin can be operated by 1 man while Spike won't be able to manage that and it has a lot of add items to carry. With Javelin its just the missile, tube and CLU.

Rafael Unveils Mini-Spike Anti-Personnel Guided Weapon

Mini spike could be nice for SF units.

 

[sayareakd]

Spike has fire and forget plus capabilities. same is not their in javeline

 

[Archer]

Javelin is F&F too. Or did you mean its not man in the loop

 

[sayareakd]

Javelin is F&F too. Or did you mean its not man in the loop

You can change spike's target in mid flight, even change where you can hit on target, check the video, but same cannot be done in US missile.

 

[Zebra]

Javelin Missile Proves New Capability during Vehicle-Launched Norwegian Tests

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PARIS, (June 11, 2012) — The Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] and Raytheon [NYSE: RTN] Javelin Joint Venture recently demonstrated the capability to launch Javelin missiles from a vehicle in winter conditions at a test range in Norway.

In a Norwegian Ministry of Defence-sponsored live fire demonstration in Rena, Norway, two Javelin missiles scored two direct hits when fired from a Piranha V vehicle configured with a Kongsberg Protector Remote Weapon Station (RWS) and the Javelin Vehicle Launcher (JVL) electronics. The two targets were located 800 and 1650 meters from the launch vehicle.

The RWS is a remote controlled weapon station for light and medium caliber weapons, and can be mounted on any type of platform. The JVL allows the standard Javelin missile round to interface with vehicle fire control systems. With the JVL, the U.S. Army and international customers are able to fire Javelin missiles from vehicle platforms with the gunner safely under armor.

"These firings will lead to further discussions with Norway, as they evaluate the potential of employing their Javelin missiles on their existing vehicles," said Duane Gooden, Javelin Joint Venture president.

"The live fire tests in Norway demonstrated that Javelin is capable of being deployed on vehicles with remote weapon stations and that the concept is mature and ready for implementation," said Barry James, Javelin Joint Venture vice president and Javelin program director in Lockheed Martin's Missiles and Fire Control business.

Lockheed Martin · Javelin Missile Proves New Capability during Vehicle-Launched Norwegian Tests

 

[Zebra]

CROWS II Javelin Vehicle Launcher

Javelin Launched from Protector RWS | Think Defence

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Javelin is better system than what Infantry use today that is Wire guided ATGMs..

Fire and Run..

 

[asianobserve]

Javelin is better system than what Infantry use today that is Wire guided ATGMs..

Fire and Run..

Watch @ 2:05 of the video, the Javeline can be fired over an obstacle (in the video a ridge) and it takes a top attack approach against any enemy vehicle detected on the other side. I think this cannot be replicated by wire-guided missiles.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

In wire guided as well as in laser guided, One have to sit until the missile hit the target unlike in Javelin and Spike..

Siting until enemy is destroyed is very dangerous, from tank as well as Infantry units protecting tanks..

 

[Sridhar]

Javelin Purchase Shelved , India is going for Israeli Spikes. new thread here http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...-supply-spike-tank-killer-missiles-india.html

 

[SajeevJino]

Report: John Kerry is Working to Scuttle Israel-India Arms Deal​

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is pressuring the Indian government to pull out of a pending deal to purchase Spike missiles from Israel's Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, Ltd., one of the Jewish state's top arms manufacturers, Israeli daily Ma'ariv reported on Thursday.

Until recently, it appeared that the major arms contract between Israel and India was all but finalized, according to the report. The Spike missiles were tested extensively by the Indian army, which had reportedly agreed to spend millions of dollars on the rockets.

At the last moment however, John Kerry along with other senior U.S. government officials began to exert political pressure on the Indians to renege on their agreement with Israel.

According to Ma'ariv, the Americans' motivation for meddling is financial. The U.S. government is reportedly trying to lure India into acquiring American-made Javelin missiles instead of the Israeli Spike. Washington is allegedly making an offer that it hopes New Delhi won't be able to refuse: active participation in the development of the next U.S. anti-tank missile.

Evidently, serious cuts to the U.S. defense budget have resulted in a scramble by the U.S. government to line up contracts for the mammoth American defense industry in an effort to prevent this major provider of American jobs from drying up, according to Ma'ariv.

To date, it is unclear whether the Indians will back out of their deal with Israel.

Report: John Kerry is Working to Scuttle Israel-India Arms Deal | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com