United States backtracks on order of Javelin missile sale to India

[LETHALFORCE]

Obama administration not been able to sell one defense deal.

 

[trackwhack]

Awesome News. That should chase some USA worshipers back into their caves.,

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This might be a good alternative but a Bofors product?

BILL 2 Anti-Tank Guided Weapon - Army Technology

The BILL 2 multi-mission guided weapon is a further development of the successful BILL I (RBS56), which has been in service with the Swedish Army since 1988, and is also in service with the Austrian and Brazilian Armies. BILL 2 is manufactured by Saab Bofors Dynamics, who are based in Karlskoga, Sweden. BILL 2 is also in service with the Swedish Army.
In December 2007, Saab announced it had received an export order for the Bill 2 missile. No further details were given.
Because of technological advances in fighting vehicle armour including ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour), Bofors have improved the Overfly Top Attack (OTA) technology for BILL 2 and introduced a new double warhead. BILL 2 also incorporates improved guidance accuracy via the rate gyro, which monitors the gunner's tracking movements.
The missile's primary role is to attack armoured targets at the weakest point, using the overfly top attack trajectory. However, due to the three firing modes, it can also engage and destroy hovering helicopters, non-armoured targets and soft targets, such as machine gun nests.
The portable missile system consists of the 10.5kg missile, launch tube, tripod, 7x magnification day sight and 1x thermal imaging sight.
BILL 2 missile system

The BILL 2 missile system has a SACLOS (Semi-Automatic Command to Line-Of-Sight) guidance system and the missile is wire-guided. The user maintains the target on the boresight of the thermal imaging or day sight, and the missile trajectory is monitored from a laser beacon in the rear of the missile.
Predictive tracking algorithms are used to maintain the missile trajectory at the correct offset for the chosen engagement: 1.05m above the line of sight for armoured and soft target attack and along the boresight for non-armoured attack. Guidance signals are sent to the missile via the trailing wire.
The warhead contains both an optical and a magnetic sensor. The optical (laser) sensor functions as a rangefinder, measuring the height of the target beneath the missile and profiling the target simultaneously. The magnetic sensor measures metallic signatures and algorithms recognise the turret or centre of the target and determine the optimum position for the warheads to detonate. The missile has an inertial impact fuze for direct attack as well as a proximity fuse.
The missile has a double vertically striking shaped charge High-Explosive (HE) warhead. The two shaped charge jets are compensated to direct all the fragments of the jets downwards onto the same spot on the surface of the target. First, the front warhead destroys the reactive armour and then the rear warhead has free passage to penetrate the main body armour of the tank.
The missile system is effective against both static and moving targets with an effective range of 150m to 2,200m. Flight time at maximum range is 13 seconds.
BILL 2 missile firing modes

Prior to missile launch, the gunner can select any of the following three firing modes.
Basic mode: the missile flies about 1.05m above the line of sight and hits the target from above. All sensors (magnetic and optical) are activated and the algorithms are optimised for a defined threat.
"BILL 2 can be mounted on a wide variety of wheeled or tracked fighting vehicles."
Non-armoured target mode: the missile flies along the line of sight. All sensors are disconnected. The impact fuse is selected.
Soft target mode: the missile flies on the same elevated flight path as in basic mode. The optical sensor is activated, the magnetic sensor deactivated. Special algorithms are used for warhead initiation. This mode can be adapted to suit customer requirements.
Vehcile mounted anti-tank missile system

BILL 2 can be mounted on a wide variety of wheeled or tracked fighting vehicles. In 2000, the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) awarded a contract to Saab Bofors to produce a technology demonstrator integrating BILL 2 into the turret of the Bofors Defence CV 9040 combat vehicle.
The missile system can also be mounted under armour in which three missiles, along with the daysight and thermal imager are mounted on the weapon platform. The missile can then be fired via a remote control unit, by the gunner inside the vehicle. The missile and sights can be dismounted and used with the tripod if necessary.

 

[rock127]

the state department is filled with cold war era people, they still try to use this strategic balance theory. this will fade away. if U.S does not want to supply us, that is there choice. we will develop our own. anyways India U.S ties will take lot of time and effort. India is in no hurry. if and when U.S feels confortable we can go ahead.

US is already paying for those cold war era idiots who tilted towards Pakis against India.Today the intrests have changed and they need to change as well.

 

[rock127]

No Spike is Rafale's product

Spike is a fourth generation[2] man-portable fire-and-forget anti-tank guided missile with tandem-charged HEAT warhead, developed and designed by the Israeli company Rafael Advanced Defense Systems

Spike (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Go for Spike to tell US on it's face.They are already frustrated why we chose Rafele over F-16's and then later offered F-22 when India refused.

btw dont Russia makes any similar products?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Go for Spike to tell US on it's face.They are already frustrated why we chose Rafele over F-16's and then later offered F-22 when India refused.

btw dont Russia makes any similar products?

Russia makes Kornet.

 

[trackwhack]

Go for Spike to tell US on it's face.They are already frustrated why we chose Rafele over F-16's and then later offered F-22 when India refused.

btw dont Russia makes any similar products?

no one offerred f-22. you might have meant that pile of junk called the f35

 

[Neil]

Russia makes Kornet.

LF sir....it was konkurs i guess....we were procuring thousands of them...

 

[LETHALFORCE]

no one offerred f-22. you might have meant that pile of junk called the f35

That offer was to investment in development and could have impacted our PAK-FA
investment.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

LF sir....it was konkurs i guess....we were procuring thousands of them...

no it is the kornet:

Kornet E Anti-Tank Missile - Army Technology

Kornet E Anti-Tank Missile, Russian Federation

 

[trackwhack]

That offer was to investment in development and could have impacted our PAK-FA
investment.

whether it would impact the PAK-FA or not, that investment was pouring money down the drain as will be evidenced by the white elephant that the f 35 is going to turn into.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

whether it would impact the PAK-FA or not, that investment was pouring money down the drain as will be evidenced by the white elephant that the f 35 is going to turn into.

F-35 and PAKFA both role out around the same time frame.2 fifth
generation stealth planes I doubt it India would have been forced to choose one.

 

[Apollyon]

whether it would impact the PAK-FA or not, that investment was pouring money down the drain as will be evidenced by the white elephant that the f 35 is going to turn into.

"
Air to Air loads of USAF Aircraft's :

F-15C - 4 Aim-120 + 4 Aim-9X
F-16 - 4 Aim-120 + 2 Aim-9
F-22 - 6 Aim-120 + 2 Aim-9X (Internally)
F-35 - 4 Aim-120 (Internal) + 2 Aim-9X ....... ( 6 Aim-120's in Future Blocks .. ?? )

and with the Most Advanced Avionics, AESA, ECM, Passive Sensors .. and commonality in logistics chain between USAF, USAN and Marines i failed to understand how F-35 is going to turn in a white elephant .. :shocked:

if you are talking from the procurement price point-of-view .. then they might procure F-35 in less numbers but it is definitely not gonna turn into a white elephant ..

 

[rock127]

no one offerred f-22. you might have meant that pile of junk called the f35

Oh , you are right... that's F-35. :thumb:

Why don't I see "edit" button?

 

[kaustav2001]

Now, we all know why the IAF was so apprehensive about the Amreekhan planes during the MMRCA tender. This dos (denial of sale !!! ) attack by the Amreekhans should probably remove any misconceptions about the Amreekhans being strategic partners n all that.....just a bunch of :bs:
IA & MOD should instead pressurize DRDO to come up with a lightweight man-portable version of the NAG instead & in the mean time lets take our business elsewhere.
Israel would be mighty pleased with this development.

 

[trackwhack]

"
Air to Air loads of USAF Aircraft's :

F-15C - 4 Aim-120 + 4 Aim-9X
F-16 - 4 Aim-120 + 2 Aim-9
F-22 - 6 Aim-120 + 2 Aim-9X (Internally)
F-35 - 4 Aim-120 (Internal) + 2 Aim-9X ....... ( 6 Aim-120's in Future Blocks .. ?? )

and with the Most Advanced Avionics, AESA, ECM, Passive Sensors .. and commonality in logistics chain between USAF, USAN and Marines i failed to understand how F-35 is going to turn in a white elephant .. :shocked:

if you are talking from the procurement price point-of-view .. then they might procure F-35 in less numbers but it is definitely not gonna turn into a white elephant ..

The reasons I am convinced that the F-35 will fail are many - from capabilities to cost to number of variants and the after sales support that the plane will need.

Yes, it is a very capable plane in many respects, but it is also limited in many areas - range, speed, bulk, wingspan etc.
Cost - Anything less than 150mil per flyaway unit is unlikely. anything less than 300mil per lifecycle costs is very unlikely.
With a minimum of three variants, can you imagine the size of the service teams? Can you imagine the number of bugs and compromises that need to be made to suit all roles for the different variants?

F-35. Good luck.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

"
Air to Air loads of USAF Aircraft's :

F-15C - 4 Aim-120 + 4 Aim-9X
F-16 - 4 Aim-120 + 2 Aim-9
F-22 - 6 Aim-120 + 2 Aim-9X (Internally)
F-35 - 4 Aim-120 (Internal) + 2 Aim-9X ....... ( 6 Aim-120's in Future Blocks .. ?? )

and with the Most Advanced Avionics, AESA, ECM, Passive Sensors .. and commonality in logistics chain between USAF, USAN and Marines i failed to understand how F-35 is going to turn in a white elephant .. :shocked:

if you are talking from the procurement price point-of-view .. then they might procure F-35 in less numbers but it is definitely not gonna turn into a white elephant ..

K-13 by Russia is suppose to be as good as the sidewinders?

 

[SPIEZ]

I have several doubts
1) When we already have the Milan 2 T and Milan 3 ERA, why are we going for yet another missile.
2) We have had a history of use of the MILAN series of missiles. Why can't we develop our own?
3)What happened to the indigenous anti tank missiles
4)We use AT4, AT5, AT11, invar, SPIKE, MILAN, RCL and Nag, why a Javelin now?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

I have several doubts
1) When we already have the Milan 2 T and Milan 3 ERA, why are we going for yet another missile.
2) We have had a history of use of the MILAN series of missiles. Why can't we develop our own?
3)What happened to the indigenous anti tank missiles
4)We use AT4, AT5, AT11, invar, SPIKE, MILAN, RCL and Nag, why a Javelin now?

why is USA losing the biggest Javelin order?? India was planning to
order 60,000.

 

[SPIEZ]

If Javelins are bought by India, it will give an devastating punch for the Indian Army for the Concept of what is known as the Cold Start.

It will destroy whatever chances the Pak armour may have to halt the limited offensive.

That might be the belief held by the US.

Wouldn't it be simpler to use one of these
CBU-97 Sensor Fuzed Weapon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This would also make the job more easier, less time consuming and reduce the causalities.