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Why the hell Indian airmen wears civilians woolen caps.
Can't Indian air force provide them with official air force woolen topis
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Ukraine upgrades Indian Air Force An-32 Aircraft
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Why the hell Indian airmen wears civilians woolen caps.
Can't Indian air force provide them with official air force woolen topis
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The far right green one is Army issue..
Popularly known as Monkey cap, It covers all your face..
Popularly known as Monkey cap, It covers all your face..
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but u didt answer my Q kunal. Our indian airforce does not have enough money to provide them smart airforce wollen caps.. the airmen looks like raddiwala no smartness at all.
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They are not there for smartness..
And i told you its a canteen stuff they are wearing..
And still have issues, Join IAF..
And i told you its a canteen stuff they are wearing..
And still have issues, Join IAF..
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but world is watching for our smartness.
A air force officer must be dressed smart.otherwise all armed forces should wear kurta pajama or dhoti and fly planes or tanks
Dude what are you talking about.... are all of your 5000 posts nonsense like this?but world is watching for our smartness.
A air force officer must be dressed smart.otherwise all armed forces should wear kurta pajama or dhoti and fly planes or tanks
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dude what u r talking about have u seen the video than talk
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World Praise IAF for its Performance.
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i think world make fun of our IAF and its crashes and delay in procurement ..and lack of good trainers
World Praise IAF for its Performance.
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I think in P&C Internet forums really..
NEW DELHI — India will need to explore fresh options, including direct purchase, to shore up its air transport fleet as the Ukraine conflict has stymied the upgrade of its AN-32 aircraft, an Indian Air Force official said.
The last five of 40 AN-32 aircraft being upgraded in Ukraine have become "untraceable," the official said, and the local upgrade of the remaining 64 AN-32s has halted as Ukraine engineers departed and supplies of spares stopped.
"As AN-32 formed the bulk of the medium-lift segment of the transport fleet, urgent replacement of the Avro fleet, finalization of the joint development of medium transport aircraft and possible fresh purchases are some of the options which IAF will need to work on an urgent basis," retired Air Force wing commander Bhim Singh said.
In addition to the AN-32, the Air Force uses the Russian-made IL-76, British-made Avro, which is license-produced by Hindustan Aeronautics, and the US-made C-17 and C-130J Super Hercules.
In 2009, India contracted with Ukraine's state-owned arms trading agency, Ukrspetsexport Corp., to upgrade its 104 AN-32 transport aircraft at a cost of US $400 million as the fleet had reached its life expectancy. The program, which was to run through 2017, involved the upgrade of 40 aircraft in Ukraine and 64 under technology transfer from Ukraine at the Air Force's Kanpur-based base repair depot.
However, only 35 aircraft, upgraded at Kiev-based Antonov State Co. facilities in Ukraine, have returned, while the last five remain stranded due to the conflict.
"These five aircraft are almost lost as it is difficult to trace them and diplomatic efforts to find their whereabouts have failed," the Air Force official said.
A diplomat from the Ukraine Embassy said Antonov must resolve this issue with the Indian Air Force, and that the government cannot help. Antonov officials were unavailable for comment.
The local upgrade at the Kanpur depot, which began three years ago, halted last year. Six aircraft were put for upgrade but work had to be discontinued as the Ukraine engineers left and only one container of spares from Ukraine had arrived, the Air Force official said.
The upgrade of the AN-32 would have extended the aircraft's life by 40 years with improved avionics, modernization of the cockpit and payload capacity being increased from 6.7 to 7.5 tons.
The AN-32 upgrade also includes spares from Honeywell and some Russian supplies.
"IAF had all along been maintaining that the local upgrade includes indigenization of spares and parts, and that most of them have been executed. With the local upgrade halted, these claims has been proven false," Singh said.
With the Indian government emphasizing strategic lift for internal deployment and the rushing of troops to the Chinese and Pakistani borders, additional transport aircraft are needed, Singh said.
AVRO Replacement
The status of replacing the Air Force's 56 Avro transports is unclear as only Airbus Defense and Space of Spain, which proposed the C-295 in a tie up with India's Tata Advanced Systems, has bid for the $3.5 billion tender, which closed late last year.
Ukraine's Antonov did not file a bid because the Defence Ministry refused to give it an extension.
With only one bidder, the tender faces cancellation.
Meanwhile, India and Russia propose to jointly develop a medium-lift transport plane capable of ferrying 80 troops together with infantry fighting vehicles or light tanks, artillery guns and ammunition, aimed at replacing the AN-32 fleet.
Russia's UAC and Hindustan Aeronautics have established a company, the Multi Role Transport Aircraft Ltd., as an Indo-Russian joint venture for the Medium Transport Aircraft program. But a final production agreement is not emerging because of issues relating to production work share.
Ukraine Conflict Stalls Indian AF Upgrades
The last five of 40 AN-32 aircraft being upgraded in Ukraine have become "untraceable," the official said, and the local upgrade of the remaining 64 AN-32s has halted as Ukraine engineers departed and supplies of spares stopped.
"As AN-32 formed the bulk of the medium-lift segment of the transport fleet, urgent replacement of the Avro fleet, finalization of the joint development of medium transport aircraft and possible fresh purchases are some of the options which IAF will need to work on an urgent basis," retired Air Force wing commander Bhim Singh said.
In addition to the AN-32, the Air Force uses the Russian-made IL-76, British-made Avro, which is license-produced by Hindustan Aeronautics, and the US-made C-17 and C-130J Super Hercules.
In 2009, India contracted with Ukraine's state-owned arms trading agency, Ukrspetsexport Corp., to upgrade its 104 AN-32 transport aircraft at a cost of US $400 million as the fleet had reached its life expectancy. The program, which was to run through 2017, involved the upgrade of 40 aircraft in Ukraine and 64 under technology transfer from Ukraine at the Air Force's Kanpur-based base repair depot.
However, only 35 aircraft, upgraded at Kiev-based Antonov State Co. facilities in Ukraine, have returned, while the last five remain stranded due to the conflict.
"These five aircraft are almost lost as it is difficult to trace them and diplomatic efforts to find their whereabouts have failed," the Air Force official said.
A diplomat from the Ukraine Embassy said Antonov must resolve this issue with the Indian Air Force, and that the government cannot help. Antonov officials were unavailable for comment.
The local upgrade at the Kanpur depot, which began three years ago, halted last year. Six aircraft were put for upgrade but work had to be discontinued as the Ukraine engineers left and only one container of spares from Ukraine had arrived, the Air Force official said.
The upgrade of the AN-32 would have extended the aircraft's life by 40 years with improved avionics, modernization of the cockpit and payload capacity being increased from 6.7 to 7.5 tons.
The AN-32 upgrade also includes spares from Honeywell and some Russian supplies.
"IAF had all along been maintaining that the local upgrade includes indigenization of spares and parts, and that most of them have been executed. With the local upgrade halted, these claims has been proven false," Singh said.
With the Indian government emphasizing strategic lift for internal deployment and the rushing of troops to the Chinese and Pakistani borders, additional transport aircraft are needed, Singh said.
AVRO Replacement
The status of replacing the Air Force's 56 Avro transports is unclear as only Airbus Defense and Space of Spain, which proposed the C-295 in a tie up with India's Tata Advanced Systems, has bid for the $3.5 billion tender, which closed late last year.
Ukraine's Antonov did not file a bid because the Defence Ministry refused to give it an extension.
With only one bidder, the tender faces cancellation.
Meanwhile, India and Russia propose to jointly develop a medium-lift transport plane capable of ferrying 80 troops together with infantry fighting vehicles or light tanks, artillery guns and ammunition, aimed at replacing the AN-32 fleet.
Russia's UAC and Hindustan Aeronautics have established a company, the Multi Role Transport Aircraft Ltd., as an Indo-Russian joint venture for the Medium Transport Aircraft program. But a final production agreement is not emerging because of issues relating to production work share.
Ukraine Conflict Stalls Indian AF Upgrades
Re: Ukraine upgrades Indian Air Force An-32 Aircraft(Press TV News)
Looks like An-32 upgrade project has failed. This kind of news should boost other procurement efforts but it seems MTA is stalled; and Avro replacement is stalled as well.
Government must be looking at other options. I suspect more C-130 buys from USA are possible.
IAF should put high priority on MTA as this project has the highest chances of success.
I would think that import more C-130 in the short term and get MTA in the long term should be IAF focus.
Looks like An-32 upgrade project has failed. This kind of news should boost other procurement efforts but it seems MTA is stalled; and Avro replacement is stalled as well.
Government must be looking at other options. I suspect more C-130 buys from USA are possible.
IAF should put high priority on MTA as this project has the highest chances of success.
I would think that import more C-130 in the short term and get MTA in the long term should be IAF focus.
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What kind of spare parts and sub-components are being imported for use in this AN-32 fleet modernization? Is it possible to get western replacements for these?
As it is, since the OEM Antonov has failed in execution of the contract, it frees India from sticking to any conditions on license and restrictions. IAF is free to buy and equip anything from anywhere it wants. Russians are still flying their AN-26s which are similar to An-32 so they must have some options in this regard as well.
Since there are other 100 An-32s in the Indian air force, a better approach for ingenuous solutions would be required. IAF cannot throw out 100 tactical transporters and start buying something new. It needs to begin by identifying options and if possible, producing them locally with the help of Indian companies. The problem can be turned into an innovative opportunity.
China bought some of these aircraft from Soviet Union and started license producing them locally. Today, the Chinese version called Y-7 aircraft is being exported to several countries. It has made an airliner version, transport version and is even making an AEW&C aircraft carrier version of this aircraft. India on the other hand has lost five aircraft and is running from pillar to post for spares to keep its rest of the fleet running. What a long term strategic planning !!!!
http://www.airforceworld.com/pla/y7-transporter.htm
Chinese JZY-01 Aircraft Carrier-Capable AEW&C Aircraft | Chinese Military Review
As it is, since the OEM Antonov has failed in execution of the contract, it frees India from sticking to any conditions on license and restrictions. IAF is free to buy and equip anything from anywhere it wants. Russians are still flying their AN-26s which are similar to An-32 so they must have some options in this regard as well.
Since there are other 100 An-32s in the Indian air force, a better approach for ingenuous solutions would be required. IAF cannot throw out 100 tactical transporters and start buying something new. It needs to begin by identifying options and if possible, producing them locally with the help of Indian companies. The problem can be turned into an innovative opportunity.
China bought some of these aircraft from Soviet Union and started license producing them locally. Today, the Chinese version called Y-7 aircraft is being exported to several countries. It has made an airliner version, transport version and is even making an AEW&C aircraft carrier version of this aircraft. India on the other hand has lost five aircraft and is running from pillar to post for spares to keep its rest of the fleet running. What a long term strategic planning !!!!
http://www.airforceworld.com/pla/y7-transporter.htm
Chinese JZY-01 Aircraft Carrier-Capable AEW&C Aircraft | Chinese Military Review
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Yes it is possible.. Antonov now stopped deliveries of Russian components and found a replacement at Western counterparts.
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