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It's neither hate nor ignorance.

They are merely 5% or little more and already started asking for Sharia law and restricted zone. Those islamist don't respect the Law and culture of the country where they living. If Number will increase, They will ask more and it will eventually destroy the culture and tradition of U.K.

Their country, Their rule. If you don't respect, Don't go. In any case, Non-Muslims hardly go to Islamic nation.

Non-Muslims don't have equal rights in most of the Islamic nation and on other side, They asking something which is against the culture of the country. It's danger for their society or for any Non-Muslim country.
The British chose their policy and it is also their KARMA for dividing India,they felt these migrants would fit well into British society and it did not happen like they wanted, many other European countries have the same view and Facism has risen in Europe at an alarming rate. Look at all the hate sites on internet and Norway as a recent example.
 

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if you drink than i guess you might be knowing what happens in back trip. you vomit and then sleep and next day you dont want to talk about it. claiming alcohol was not right, there was something something that caused it bla bla... people prefer to forget that night, that brand of liquor and even those who gave you company.
i think its bad analogy but very true to show the cause of hindu-bashing and anti-hindu feelings among hindus itself, giving up of confidence in the religion and dis-owning it is same as the alcoholic disowning that event and avoiding the same company as he links everything that happened to him to everything that was present there.
also the same guy is not given any preference in next get together as he himself is 1) not confident and 2) is a loser.

i dont know i sound right or not or may be i sound foolish but this is what strikes my mind when people disown something that had a past, much bigger and glorious past before the disaster and turbulence.
Im sorry , i couldnt understand anything.

Blame it on the 2 hour trucking to a mountain temple @ 2AM in the morning and the drive back home thereafter today.

Yes a good glass of Whiskey on Ice before i head to another sleep sounds a good idea.
 

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I dont go with that statement. The situation cant be compared.

Ofcourse , pockets in norther Kerala do have apologists to this Ji-Hard guys , but the situation never had or never will go overboard like in Kashmir.

I had some discussions with Sangh pracharaks of North and few districts of Kerala on the same, a few weeks back and their response was kind of different.
What i concluded and heard cant be written here on a forum which stands for secular and good relations with all communities.

I was fortunate to meet a Sangh in charge of the north east in the sanskriti bhavan headquarters here and we had great talks regarding the hardships in the areas he is in charge of.
In his opinion , the real threat to the culture and Hinduism is not from Islam but from Christianity , atleast in that areas.

I dont want to go into more details, but as i said earlier , i have my restrictions here.
I can understand.

Muslim population increasing due to High T.F.R. whereas Christians population increasing due to conversion in rural areas & tribal belts. Radical Islamist and majority of Missionaries both are danger for our society. Rest won't be appropriate to post here. 8)
 
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Fear of a rebellion. They drew their lessons from the 1857 mutiny. They decided to play Hindus against Muslims instead of giving them a common enemy- Christianity.
Pakistan is trying to use the same policy.
 

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Im sorry , i couldnt understand anything.

Blame it on the 2 hour trucking to a mountain temple @ 2AM in the morning and the drive back home thereafter today.

Yes a good glass of Whiskey on Ice before i head to another sleep sounds a good idea.

when blunder happens people disown what ever they had back then as something in it is suspected to be the cause.
enslaved community disown its religion under foreign rule. and to back it, it continuously bash it- with a hope that he wont be considered a loser and will not be seen as something useless and worthless
 

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I can understand.

Muslim population increasing due to High T.F.R. whereas Christians population increasing due to conversion in rural areas & tribal belts. Radical Islamist and majority of Missionaries both are danger for our society. Rest won't be appropriate to post here.
Just for a hint, i can tell all is that the missionaries at a time where roads and reaching the populace was difficult was successful in its missions by using the strategy of spreading the hatred talking about a Hindu nation and alienating those areas further from mainland, which has naturistic tribe based religions , in the areas of remote North East.
 

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Last week , I went to Mathura to visit (Krishna birth place). I visited after planned for a year or so. I visited with my old age relatives who wanted to see that pilgrimage place.

When i entered the Lord Krisha birth place, I saw a Mosque in the temple compound. (Although I knew that earlier) [No Muslim visit that Mosque]

There was a board on which it was written that That Mosque was build by Aurngezeb by destroying temple. (1st temple was build in 2nd century by Chandragupta, I suppose).

I stayed there for around 3-4 hours in that temple area. There were many foreigners who follow ISKCON also came there. A Canadian Christian who now follow Hinduism asked me "Why there is Mosque in compound of one of the most important temple of Hinduism" ?

I asked a shopkeeper, Why there is mosque next to temple. (Indeed 50% temple part is in Mosque). He said it was easy to make temple in British rule than in Today's politics. Everyday around 10,000's of people visit and everyone thinks why Mosque in Temple compound ?

That temple provides Million $ revenue from million of tourist but Pseudo Secularism had destroyed the equality and culture of the nation.

Whether you visit Birth place of Lord Rama or Krishna (Both are 50% Mosques). Even Varanasi same.
 
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Last week , I went to Mathura to visit (Krishna birth place). I visited after planned for a year or so. I visited with my old age relatives who wanted to see that pilgrimage place.



That temple provides Million $ revenue from million of tourist but Pseudo Secularism had destroyed the equality and culture of the nation.

It was never present. It was there since the creation of the nation.

Ever read the speech of Godse during his trials, it speaks volumes on how the nation was created upon.

" On January 13, 1948, I learnt that Gandhiji had decided to go on fast unto
death. The reason given was that he wanted an assurance of Hindu-Muslim
Unity... But I and many others could easily see that the real motive...
[was] to compel the Dominion Government to pay the sum of Rs 55 crores to
Pakistan, the payment of which was emphatically refused by the
Government.... But this decision of the people's Government was reversed to
suit the tune of Gandhiji's fast. It was evident to my mind that the force
of public opinion was nothing but a trifle when compared with the leanings
of Gandhiji favourable to Pakistan.

....In 1946 or thereabout, Muslim atrocities perpetrated on Hindus under the
Government patronage of Surhawardy in Noakhali made our blood boil. Our
shame and indignation knew no bounds when we saw that Gandhiji had come
forward to shield that very Surhawardy and began to style him as 'Shaheed
Saheb' - a martyr - even in his prayer meetings...

....Gandhiji's influence in the Congress first increased and then became
supreme. His activities for public awakening were phenomenal in their
intensity and were reinforced by the slogans of truth and non-violence which
he ostentatiously paraded before the country... I could never conceive that
an armed resistance to the aggressor is unjust... Ram killed Ravan in a
tumultuous fight... Krishna killed Kansa to end his wickedness... In
condemning Shivaji, Rana Pratap and Guru Govind as 'misguided patriots,'
Gandhiji has merely exposed his self-conceit... Gandhiji was, paradoxically,
a violent pacifist who brought untold calamities on the country in the name
of truth and nonviolence, while Rana Pratap, Shivaji and the Guru will
remain enshrined in the hearts of their countrymen forever...

....By 1919, Gandhiji had become desperate in his endeavours to get the
Muslims to trust him and went from one absurd promise to another... He
backed the Khilafat movement in this country and was able to enlist the full
support of the National Congress in that policy... very soon the Moplah
Rebellion showed that the Muslims had not the slightest idea of national
unity... There followed a huge slaughter of Hindus... The British
Government, entirely unmoved by the rebellion, suppressed it in a few months
and left to Gandhiji the joy of his Hindu-Muslim Unity... British
Imperialism emerged stronger, the Muslims became more fanatical, and the
consequences were visited on the Hindus...

The accumulating provocation of 32 years, culminating in his last pro-Muslim
fast, at last goaded me to the conclusion that the existence of Gandhiji
should be brought to an end immediately... he developed a subjective
mentality under which he alone was the final judge of what was right or
wrong... Either Congress had to surrender its will to him and play second
fiddle to all his eccentricity, whimsicality... or it had to carry on
without him... He was the master brain guiding the civil disobedience
movement... The movement may succeed or fail; it may bring untold disasters
and political reverses, but that could make no difference to the Mahatma's
infallibility... These childish inanities and obstinacies, coupled with a
most severe austerity of life, ceaseless work and lofty character, made
Gandhiji formidable and irresistible... In a position of such absolute
irresponsibility, Gandhiji was guilty of blunder after blunder...

....The Mahatma even supported the separation of Sindh from the Bombay
Presidency and threw the Hindus of Sindh to the communal wolves. Numerous
riots took place in Karachi, Sukkur, Shikarpur and other places in which the
Hindus were the only sufferers...

....From August 1946 onwards, the private armies of the Muslim League began
a massacre of the Hindus... Hindu blood began to flow from Bengal to Karachi
with mild reactions in the Deccan... The Interim government formed in
September was sabotaged by its Muslim League members, but the more they
became disloyal and treasonable to the government of which they were a part,
the greater was Gandhi's infatuation for them...

....The Congress, which had boasted of its nationalism and socialism,
secretly accepted Pakistan and abjectly surrendered to Jinnah. India was
vivisected and one-third of the Indian territory became foreign land to
us... This is what Gandhiji had achieved after 30 years of undisputed
dictatorship, and this is what Congress party calls 'freedom'...

....One of the conditions imposed by Gandhiji for his breaking of the fast
unto death related to the mosques in Delhi occupied by Hindu refugees. But
when Hindus in Pakistan were subjected to violent attacks he did not so much
as utter a single word to protest and censure the Pakistan government...

Gandhi is being referred to as the Father of the Nation. But if that is so,
he had failed his paternal duty inasmuch as he has acted very treacherously
to the nation by his consenting to the partitioning of it... The people of
this country were eager and vehement in their opposition to Pakistan. But
Gandhiji played false with the people...

....I shall be totally ruined, and the only thing I could expect from the
people would be nothing but hatred... if I were to kill Gandhiji. But at the
same time, I felt that Indian politics in the absence of Gandhiji would
surely be proved practical, able to retaliate, and be powerful with armed
forces. No doubt, my own future would be totally ruined, but the nation
would be saved from the inroads of Pakistan...

....I do say that my shots were fired at the person whose policy and action
had brought rack and ruin and destruction to millions of Hindus... There was
no legal machinery by which such an offender could be brought to book, and
for this reason I fired those fatal shots...

....I do not desire any mercy to be shown to me... I did fire shots at
Gandhiji in open daylight. I did not make any attempt to run away; in fact I
never entertained any idea of running away. I did not try to shoot myself...
for, it was my ardent desire to give vent to my thoughts in an open Court.
My confidence about the moral side of my action has not been shaken even by
the criticism levelled of against it on all sides. I have no doubt, honest
writers of history will weigh my act and find the true value thereof some
day in future. "
 

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Yes SpArK, It was all started in 1947.


Today, If anyone talks of Hinduism, He is consider as Right-winger or RSS supporter. The concept of secularism is ridiculous. I changed my Avatar from Swastika to mountains of Uttrakhand just because it might give impression that i belong to so called Right-wing Hindu Nationalist. When I post anything about Akhand Bharat, People accuse again same thing. Now, I have to think twice before posting as i am considered as known rightist.

David can say such things, But can our MMS can say such things ?? He would be sacked immediately. If BJP PM says such things, He would be considered as communal.

If i will say "Let build Temple of Mathura and Ayodhya as it's very important for many people" There can be few more mosque in near by areas (Also, Muslims themselves don't visit those mosques) But then again people will consider as communal.

When i say anything about radical Islamist or Missionaries with complete knowledge, Then again people accuse me.

Sometime, I really wonder what to do ?? :rolleyes:
 

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Yes SpArK, It was all started in 1947.


Today, If anyone talks of Hinduism, He is consider as Right-winger or RSS supporter. The concept of secularism is ridiculous. I changed my Avatar from Swastika to mountains of Uttrakhand just because it might give impression that i belong to so called Right-wing Hindu Nationalist. When I post anything about Akhand Bharat, People accuse again same thing. Now, I have to think twice before posting as i am considered as known rightist.

David can say such things, But can our MMS can say such things ?? He would be sacked immediately. If BJP PM says such things, He would be considered as communal.

If i will say "Let build Temple of Mathura and Ayodhya as it's very important for many people" There can be few more mosque in near by areas (Also, Muslims themselves don't visit those mosques) But then again people will consider as communal.

When i say anything about radical Islamist or Missionaries with complete knowledge, Then again people accuse me.

Sometime, I really wonder what to do ?? :rolleyes:
unleash your inner modi
 

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Well, Nowadays I try to post very less in political thread otherwise people call me right winger and all that.

Whenever I post anything in favour of Modi, Many people jump over me saying mass-murderer and all that. :rofl:

If I say Modi is not mass-murderer and Congress was 10 times more, My post was deleted (It happened today itself).

If I say Gujarat riot was started by Muslims, it's consider as offensive.

I can't support VHP or RSS or SS either for any issue.

In short, I am secular but can i still support Modi?? Difficult as per definition of Indian Secularism.

So, I better to remain quite. :namaste:
 

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Well, Nowadays I try to post very less in political thread otherwise people call me right winger and all that.

Whenever I post anything in favour of Modi, Many people jump over me saying mass-murderer and all that. :rofl:

If I say Modi is not mass-murderer and Congress was 10 times more, My post was deleted (It happened today itself).

If I say Gujarat riot was started by Muslims, it's consider as offensive.

I can't support VHP or RSS or SS either for any issue.

In short, I am secular but can i still support Modi?? Difficult as per definition of Indian Secularism.
lets form a gang. im up
 

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Well, Nowadays I try to post very less in political thread otherwise people call me right winger and all that.

Whenever I post anything in favour of Modi, Many people jump over me saying mass-murderer and all that. :rofl:

If I say Modi is not mass-murderer and Congress was 10 times more, My post was deleted (It happened today itself).

If I say Gujarat riot was started by Muslims, it's consider as offensive.

I can't support VHP or RSS or SS either for any issue.

In short, I am secular but can i still support Modi?? Difficult as per definition of Indian Secularism.

So, I better to remain quite. :namaste:
Another off topic post :p
 
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Maybe we should view things a little differently?? The West/Europeans are just starting to have contact with Islam/Muslims (and they view it as a threat )for a few decades, we have many centuries of Islam in India.
 

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Maybe we should view things a little differently?? The Western/Europeans are just starting to get contact with Islam/Muslims for a few decades we have many centuries of Islam in India.
When you visit any Islamic forum or Iranian/Pak/Arabic forum. They openly says "Islamic demographic invasion is inevitable in Europe"

Can any Non-Muslims ask for such things in Islamic nation ? No, They can't. On one side, Non-Muslims are living under tremendous fear in Pakistan and on other side, They hate U.K. by taking all benefit in U.K.

Asking for Sharia Law in Christian country is absurd. Yes, they can do such things in Islamic nation but why asking such things which is against their culture. I have seen many cartoon for Jesus Christ but a French cartoonist made a cartoon for Allah unintentionally and there was riot in France and even 2 people died in Pakistan. Bangladeshi and Pakistani have 5-7 kids to take advantage of UK government benefit. Maximum crimes in U.K. are done by such people.

Not to forget, Most of the Muslims hates Non-Muslim countries then why they go to such countries ?? Christians hardly goes to Islamic nation but when they allow Non-Christians to come, people should respect their tradition and culture.

If a person who can't respect the country where he is living, He should not live there. Every country has right to protect her culture, tradition and customs.
 
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When you visit any Islamic forum or Iranian/Pak/Arabic forum. They openly says "Islamic demographic invasion is inevitable in Europe"

Can any Non-Muslims ask for such things in Islamic nation ? No, They can't. On one side, Non-Muslims are living under tremendous fear in Pakistan and on other side, They hate U.K. by taking all benefit in U.K.

Asking for Sharia Law in Christian country is absurd. Yes, they can do such things in Islamic nation but why asking such things which is against their culture. I have seen many cartoon for Jesus Christ but a French cartoonist made a cartoon for Allah unintentionally and there was riot in France and even 2 people died in Pakistan. Bangladeshi and Pakistani have 5-7 kids to take advantage of UK government benefit. Maximum crimes in U.K. are done by such people.

Not to forget, Most of the Muslims hates Non-Muslim countries then why they go to such countries ?? Christians hardly goes to Islamic nation but when they allow Non-Christians to come, people should respect their tradition and culture.

If a person who can't respect the country where he is living, He should not go. Every country has right to protect her culture, tradition and customs.
I agree with you but I ask you why do Europeans act like they suddenly woke up to this after 30 million + muslims have migrated to Eurpean nations?? If they had these views they should have molded their immigration policy in that direction?? Demographics is a powerful weapon where the ones with no power are empowered.
 

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I agree with you but I ask you why do Europeans act like they suddenly woke up to this new threat after 30 million + muslims have migrated to Eurpean nations?? If they had these views they should have molded their immigration policy in that direction?? Demographics is a powerful weapon where the ones with no power are empowered.
many things like the threat was not visible earlier. initially like-minded and liberals entered their nation which was followed by covert entry of their dumber and radical relatives. and from there problem started
 

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The problem is not with Muslims but it's mainly Pakistani and radical one.

Muslims of Iran, Turkey, Malaysia are more like secular and liberal compare with Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Arabi. They are more like Persian, Turk and Malay and religion comes 2nd. Their T.R.F is around 2-2.3 in their own country and same in Europe.

One has to remember than 35%+ Muslims of U.K. are from Pakistan. 15% are from Bangladesh and some more Africa. [These people are real danger for U.K.]

Their production rate is double of Christians, Involved in many crimes and totally Islamist.
 
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