UAE warns Pakistan of 'heavy price for ambiguous stand' on Yemen

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Saudi strategy includes alliance with Pakistan

During his Jan. 6 visit to Pakistan, Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal celebrated the "deep-rooted historic relations between the two Islamic countries" and promised regular consultation meetings on regional and international issues of mutual concern. The promise of Saudi investment, together with remittances of around 1.5 million Pakistani workers in Saudi Arabia are much needed in Pakistan.

Saudi Arabia thinks its domination in the Arab world may benefit from close partnership and consultation with Pakistan. Some observers may think that Saudi's intention to establish a Riyadh-based Gulf military force for the sole purpose of containing Iran may be the main reason for Faisal's visit to Islamabad. But this is not the only reason. Pakistani military assistance is not new in Saudi Arabia or the rest of the Gulf. It may be reliable, subservient, less controversial and cheaper than assistance from other sources. Above all, it is purely contractual and lacks the political strings that are often attached to military assistance.

Yet, Saudi Arabia may be seeking Pakistani security assistance for domestic rather than external threats. Given that Pakistanis share Islam with their Saudi partners, Pakistani troops can be deployed in religious sites without the Saudi regime being criticized for inviting infidels to defend the land of the two holy mosques. Pakistan needs the income and has the manpower and the expertise, while Saudi Arabia can be assured that no Pakistani hidden agendas or grandiose rival projects undermine the relationship. It can rely on Pakistani troops in times of crisis, specially internal ones. But it is unlikely that Pakistan will be of great help in the instance of a future Saudi-Iranian confrontation, which is highly unlikely at present.

Partnership with Pakistan satisfies the Saudi historic quest for a close non-Arab ally to maintain its hegemony in the Arab world and deal with its own internal security challenges. It is ironic that both hegemony in the Arab world and dealing with internal crises are better served as a result of close ties with non-Arabs. In North Africa, Egypt and Morocco were both potential and real Saudi allies. Saudi Arabia tried to incorporate Morocco into the Gulf Cooperation Council as a privileged non-Gulf member, but Gulf states resisted, and Morocco itself did not express enthusiasm.

Even if Egypt stabilizes under a new government, it remains volatile and destined to be preoccupied by its own domestic problems for a long time. From the Saudi perspective, Egypt remains a country dependent on Saudi aid, and this is how it should remain. A strong and stable Egypt — an unlikely development in the short term — is bound to be a competitor, simply because of its historical role and relevance to many Arab issues. In reality, Saudi Arabia is more comfortable with Egypt as a client state dependent on Saudi subsidies rather than an independent partner with its own ambitions.

Saudi Arabia flirted with Iraq during the Saddam Hussein era, simply to save the Gulf from Iranian revolutionary expansion, but Iraq was never a trusted Saudi partner. To understand this, one must go beyond the banality of sectarian divides. Even if Iraq was predominantly Sunni, Saudi Arabia would not be comfortable seeking a partnership with the country. Neither under the Sunni Hashemite monarchs of Baghdad nor under Saddam, was Saudi Arabia capable of overcoming its fear of a rival power center with a massive army that could claim superiority and entertain grandiose projects to unify the Arab world under its leadership. The US invasion in 2003 simply removed the threat from Saddam's Arab nationalist grandiose projects and replaced it with a different threat.

Like Egypt, Iraq represents a historical rival with its own natural and human resources. Saudi Arabia turned Egypt into a client state and maintained animosity with Iraq for over a decade. Both can never be trusted Saudi partners, as they represent what Saudi Arabia wants to displace and replace in the region.

There remains the Saudi partnership with Jordan, a country plagued by serious economic problems and dependent on Saudi aid. Jordan, under its current leadership, does not threaten Saudi Arabia, hence the latter feels it can maintain military and security cooperation without the threat of rivalry, as Jordan's main focus is its own existence as a buffer zone between Israel and volatile Arab neighbors. It is therefore unlikely that it will pose a serious challenge to Saudi Arabia. The latter can use its wealth to keep Jordan under control without the risk of a rival leadership claiming to represent something other than itself in the Arab region. Yet, Jordan is too small for Saudi Arabia to rely on [militarily].

Historical rivalries with several Arab countries have pushed Saudi Arabia to seek close ties with a non-Arab partner that is militarily strong but economically weak. Saudi Arabia can then offer its economic resources and the promise of investment in return for military and security cooperation. Pakistan seems to be the perfect choice. It is non-Arab and can never rival Saudi in the Arab region. Pakistan is unlike Turkey, whose past and present are too intimately entangled with its Arab neighbors. Saudi fears Turkey's ambitions, and must be more than happy to see its government currently focused on its own domestic problems, from demonstrations to corruption cases. Like Saudi Arabia, Turkey has serious security challenges in both Syria and Iraq, but is unlikely to succumb to a Saudi agenda that does not correspond to its own interests. Saudi Arabia and Turkey can work together on specific issues, for example, on the Syrian file, but can never be long-term partners along the Saudi-Pakistani model.

Pakistan is that remote other who is close yet far enough for comfort. From the Saudi perspective, Pakistan may be the perfect partner, one that does not challenge the Saudi role in the Arab region but can boost its outreach across the Muslim world. Unlike others, Pakistani security and policing agencies can be used in Saudi Arabia to deal with internal problems, while Arabs will always be more problematic and risky. The renewal of the partnership with Pakistan seems to be needed in Saudi Arabia in anticipation of internal threats rather than the much-talked-about Iranian problem.

In the 1960s, Saudi Arabia welcomed Pakistani Islamist Abu Alaa Mawdudi and honored his proposal to establish a pan-Islamic University in Medina to boost Islamic knowledge, transnational connections and solidarity. In the 1970s, relations with Pakistan gave credibility to Saudi Arabia's efforts to undermine Arab nationalism and promote Islamic cooperation. Before Pakistan became a source of military assistance to the Saudis, the country was important for Saudi's newly forged pan-Islamic legitimacy narrative that flourished under King Faisal.

The rationale behind the foundation of the two countries' relationship remains Islam, despite the serious differences in government, society and religious outlook. Throughout the 1980s, Pakistan's involvement in the Afghan jihad turned the country into a transit station for many Saudi and Arab jihadists. The country dominated the news as the place where Western and Saudi funds were channeled to the Afghan jihad.

Both countries need each other for different reasons, but their "deep-rooted historic relations" exist in a new context. Whereby Saudi Arabia's enemy of 30 years remains Iran, Pakistan's main military goal is to protect itself from powerful India and the mounting threat from Afghanistan.

It is unlikely that Pakistan will take the risk and engage Iran in a conflict like Saddam did in the 1980s. Pakistan already has serious security concerns and is unlikely to antagonize Iran, thus compounding its existing problems. Above all, both Saudi Arabia and Pakistan remain within the US sphere of influence, although their relations with the United States may occasionally appear strained. As such, it is unlikely that either will be able to pursue an independent foreign policy that contradicts, let alone undermines, the general US agenda. They may, however, be able to make noises and celebrate new partnerships that need to be tested on the ground. It remains to be seen whether this partnership will result in tangible measures that enhance Saudi external security. In fact, it is better to think of the Saudi-Pakistani partnership as a measure to boost Saudi ability to face domestic rather than external threats.

Saudi strategy includes alliance with Pakistan - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
An article to gauge Pakistani Saudi relations.
 

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Wasn't trying to piss you off, but a Bihari cheering for a Bengali Army is very much akin to me cheering for Pakistani army.

OTOH, while Bangladeshi army is decently trained but is not very well equipped for modern warfare. Also Saudis require boots on the ground something given the smaller size of BA is a difficult proposition.
You would be surprised. BA is as well equipped as the best in SA, including India. Our air force is weak of course, but ground based air defense makes up. We have ten Divs plus. In addition we have about a Div in Africa. Numbers are no issue with us.
 

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You would be surprised. BA is as well equipped as the best in SA, including India. Our air force is weak of course, but ground based air defense makes up. We have ten Divs plus. In addition we have about a Div in Africa. Numbers are no issue with us.
You do realize that 50 year old Chinese designed tanks and a single battalion of MBT2000s and Serbians artillery do not make yours a modern force. It includes state of the art communication, logistics, intelligence, BMS among many other systems. Chilean army has better force structure than BA. I don't see them volunteering anywhere for any thing.

How much transport choppers and transport aircraft do an army of 10 Div need? Answer is "a whole lot more than you have". I also realized that given the swampy terrain of Bangladesh, it is not very bright of the establishment to have so little air based logistics. I also don't know what kind of air defence you have? Please elaborate.
 

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[video=dailymotion;x2mf8hj]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2mf8hj_in-main-dam-hi-nahi-hai-yeh-bilkul-farigh-hochuke-hain-aur-pakistan-ke-liye-marey-ja-rahe-hain-zaid_news?start=7[/video]
 

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It is the good news for india. India foreign Ministry should offer help to UAE now.
 

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It is the good news for india. India foreign Ministry should offer help to UAE now.
at the cost of irking Iran?

then yr investment in port chabahar as a gateway to Afghanistan will go bust.

think before u leap.

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You do realize that 50 year old Chinese designed tanks and a single battalion of MBT2000s and Serbians artillery do not make yours a modern force. It includes state of the art communication, logistics, intelligence, BMS among many other systems. Chilean army has better force structure than BA. I don't see them volunteering anywhere for any thing.

How much transport choppers and transport aircraft do an army of 10 Div need? Answer is "a whole lot more than you have". I also realized that given the swampy terrain of Bangladesh, it is not very bright of the establishment to have so little air based logistics. I also don't know what kind of air defence you have? Please elaborate.
1.Don't worry, we are quite well equipped. And we have developed gradually in a balanced manner. I do believe ours is the only SA army not frozen into WW II thinking or colonial mood. In the neighboring terrain IA doesn't have an armor to match our MBT-2000 - which btw is much beyond PA's AK II.
2. But the discussion is on Yemen. Yes, if asked we could send a Div this time. During Desert Storm we had sent 6,000 troops. We already have a Bde in Kuwait.
 

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Pakistani blackmail

MAY God bless difficulties that made me differentiate my friends from enemies." This part of a poem is applicable to some countries whose leaders released statements to express their true position shortly after the 'Operation Decisive Storm' began. They thought they could use this sensitive period in the history of the Arabian Gulf as an investment.

These countries imagined that the issue will be limited to issuing statements and nothing else, but they failed in the examination. This is exactly the situation of Pakistan whose government opted to join the Arab-Islamic coalition without any official request from the coalition.

When GCC countries decided to face the challenge of Iran in Yemen, they were aware that the responsibility to secure the region rests on them alone and this is the reason why they did not wait for anybody to take the lead before they attacked.

Through parliamentary voting, Pakistan took a position to remain neutral in what they call as "Confrontation in Yemen". This action has exposed the mask of blackmail under the slogan of protecting Islamic sanctuaries and unity of fate between Islamabad and Riyadh. The slogan has become a tool for political blackmail under the illusion that it could be used to revive the distressed economy.

Meanwhile, the GCC countries are aware right from the start that assistance offered to the country is meant to extinguish the fire of extremism which is widespread in the region and to assist Islamabad in overcoming poverty. This is because poverty is the main reason for some countries' inability to control activities of terrorists, which threaten security of the Arabian Gulf and Islamic nations.

Reviewing the military history is necessary for Pakistan to abandon its illusion of being a superpower in the Islamic world. It was defeated in all wars, starting from the war against India that led to the birth of Bangladesh in 1970 until the war against Taleban whose terrorist activities Pakistan could not curtail. We possibly can understand why it bows for Iran due to fear of another defeat in its border with the Mullah regime, which is experienced in incubating extremist groups.

Undoubtedly, the Pakistani leadership made a mistake of betting on Iran and getting scared of Iran, because it will sooner or later discover that Iran boasting of ammunition and missile capabilities, as well as the nuclear program, is just playing games. This is more noticeable in the fact that Iran is a paper tiger in the hour of truth as regards to full discovery of its nuclear program, which the international community will surely follow to discover the ballistic missiles program.

Pakistan, like other countries, will realize that the nuclear program is only a false propaganda — similar to that of Saddam Hussein 12 years after he was pulled out of Kuwait. His armies were defeated within a short period and the US tanks entered Baghdad a few days after the Liberation War started in Iraq.

GCC countries do not need Pakistan but the latter needs these countries in various ways. They are capable of securing their territories by forming alliances with other Arab nations like Jordan and Egypt, while the international allies support them politically and militarily. This is the reason why Iran ran helter-skelter across the world to stop the Determination Storm as a measure to protect its children in Yemen, which it bred like Hassan Nasrallah and his gangs that were trained for crisis and terrorism in Lebanon. It believes that ensuring Houthis to remain in Yemen could be a source of threat to the region, but it will be disappointed the same way it was in other cases.

Lest we forget that Islamabad should be wary of the Iranian plans, especially the efforts of Iran to scare the world with its military capabilities. The so-called strength has been exposed at the Bahraini doorstep, while it could not touch the Eastern part of Saudi Arabia and it is unable to maintain stability in Yemen.

By Ahmed Al-Jarallah


Editor-in-Chief, the Arab Times
Wow, So now GCC countries are openly saying Pak is a loser country and saying it's "Theekedar if Islam" position is complete nonsense.

But then the people who went as part of the training exercise ZamZam, some injuires and one fatality was reported during the exercise, but not much was specified apart from that. Wouldnt be surprised of ZamZam was actually another name to send in troops to protect Saudis. Even if that was the case, I guess Saudis want more like total alignment, for Which Pakistan will demand for extra goodies, and Pak would lose a few things that are in the pipeline with the Iranians, apart from causing internal issues with various sections.
 

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When the Parliament passed the resolution, they knew that they had upset lot of people in the GCC.

So far General Shareef has not commented on this. The resolution in the parliament surely must have proceeded with his blessings.

If the war in Yemen drags on, the chances of sectarian violence in Pakistan will only increase. It will be interesting for us to see how the situation unfolds.
 

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Indians in the United Arab Emirates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pakistanis in the United Arab Emirates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Total 51% of UAE population

but

A big difference is India and Indians have contributed (especially technical and high end) to the growth and development of UAE (which I am sure they know already and hence the good relations :cool2:) and India and Indians not reliance on UAE like Pakis. One of the reasons that we did well in Yemen evacuation is we have good relations with all the players in middle east and we did not put our big XXXX on the table but did it with art and commonality. We have a special position and if it was not for Pakis we would have a even better position. Not sure if the movie script is finish on this in Yemen ... is it a interval
 

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Nisar hits out at UAE minister for 'threatening' Pakistan



ISLAMABAD: Federal Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan on Sunday hit out at the United Arab Emirates (UAE) for condemning a unanimous resolution by Pakistani lawmakers to stay out of the conflict in Yemen, in a rare display of discord between the two allies.

Pakistan's Parliament on Friday passed a resolution backing the government's commitment to protect Saudi Arabia's territory from Houthi rebels, but declined Riyadh's request for Pakistani troops, ships and warplanes inside Yemen.

Anwar Gargash, the UAE's minister of state for foreign affairs, lashed out at Pakistan's vote Saturday, terming it "contradictory and dangerous and unexpected", and accusing Islamabad of siding with Iran, which is accused of backing Houthi rebels.

Gargash added that Pakistan's stand would come at a "high cost."

But Nisar hit back on Sunday night in an unusually strongly-worded statement, accusing the UAE of "levelling threats."

"This is not only ironic but a thought-provoking moment that a minister of UAE is hurling threats at Pakistan. The statement of the UAE minister is in stark violation of all diplomatic norms prevalent according to the principals of international relations," Nisar said.

"Pakistan is an honoured nation and has brotherly emotions for the people of UAE along with Saudi Arabia, but this statement of an Emirati minister is equal to an offence against the ego of Pakistan and its people and is unacceptable."

He said Pakistan was the first country to recognise UAE's independence in 1971 and the two Sunni Muslim-majority countries have close economic ties.

The UAE is a major investor in Pakistan, while around 1.4 million Pakistani expatriates work in the Gulf state sending home remittances that are vital for the South Asian country's economy.


Nisar hits out at UAE minister for 'threatening' Pakistan - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
 

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When the Parliament passed the resolution, they knew that they had upset lot of people in the GCC.

So far General Shareef has not commented on this. The resolution in the parliament surely must have proceeded with his blessings.

If the war in Yemen drags on, the chances of sectarian violence in Pakistan will only increase. It will be interesting for us to see how the situation unfolds.
What Pakistan (try to) did with Thailand and Sri Lanka and Maldives comes to mind ... but it had the angle of India

What Pakistan did with PRC (+USA tango) also comes to mind ... because it did not have a angle of India (little)

This situation within middle east and Pakis would be the first time in a long time when Pakis is playing power geo-politics where India is out of the picture and the last time one can think is how they helped PRC and USA to get close ... and this time they want to get paid unlike how they helped in the 1972 Nixon visit to PRC and make PRC the economic powerhouse they are today and they are made to eat grass and try and now make them into north korea.

surely this would change if India gets phone call from GCC for assistance (we might be used in any case to mediate since we are good with Iran :cool2:) watch how the Pakis would send half their army to Saudi after and their two nation theory non sense used
 

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We do not have to do anything in this situation. We have a very large expat population in GCC countries and the remittance we get is in Billions of Dollars.

This situation will play out for some time and both sides will be looking for an honest broker. In the recent evacuations from the Sanaa airport we have shown that we had the situation covered with the Saudis ( air strike window) and the Houthi's read Iran who controlled the Airport. Without getting both the parties on the same page we could not airlift out citizens.
 

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This could be the funniest global current affair of the year.

Yet again Pakistan has become laughing stock. This is what happen when a nation suffers from identity crisis of epic proportions.

Pakistanis are victims of their own lies and over clever diplomatic maneuvering.
 

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For once Pak has taken a considered stand.

How long will it last & will Pak be able to survive its fallout remains to be seen.
 

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It is not like Pakistan has some super awesome military. But political support would have meant a lot to GCC. The Parliament should have provided at least a token political support to the operation. Even an army ambulance would have been enough.
 

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China has eyes on Irans oil resources. So far China has funded every nation who has an Anti US stance and traded energy from them at cheap rates and committed $s for Infrastructure development. So I wouldnt be surprised if China does the same with Iran.
Well, Chinese is doing business with anyone who is willing to do business with her. You may not know that Saudi Arabian sold more oil to China than Iran every year.

Pak being with China has more gains than being with Saudi Arabia and other Arab Nations. It can get money just being a transit point for China's energy links plus it get weapons from China plus China pays Pak for being a counter against India.
Pak has never been forced to choose between China and Saudi Arab. You may not know that Saudi funded part of Pak's nuclear project and they are also funding Pakistan's weapon purchased from China.
 

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That was then...This is now..China has more leverage when funding anti US coalitions for cheap oil.
Funding PAk nuke program is something thats not much of China's interest economically when compared with the oil resource it can tap from Iran.
 

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Even India is trying to tip a fine balance btwn Iran and Saudi. China is far better posed to play along as the top client of both Gulf heavyweights, unlike India who's dependent on GCC for labor export and on Iran for access to A'stan.

China funding an anti US coalition? Such an outdated thinking shall be thrown away ~ China is a big beneficiary within the US structured Mid East order than any others. Without America's nod Iraqi oil fields couldn't have been awarded to Chinese, nor would Saudi rank No.1 oil supplier for China.

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