Trump Walks Out Of Iran Nuclear Deal

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Murica had probably planned this pullout in advance when they signed the deal. They wanted to buy time to see the outcome of the Syrian conflict. They probably hoped to topple Assad in 2 years and install a pro-US puppet. That failed. So they are back at Iran's throat to try and change the power balance.

Sanctioning Iran will put Saudi in a dominating position. There is a US-Israel-Saudi nexus working against Iran-Russia-China. Not being able to buy oil from Iran will further increase oil prices for us and impact rupee value. It will also impact our Chabhar port and our trade route from Mumbai to Russia.


Already USD/INR plunged to 67.30 rupees/dollar
 

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There is an old plan to destroy Iraq, Libya, Syria and Iran.... two nations have been destroyed....next two are in line of fire.
The aim is to take total control of middle east and install Israhell as its master. Then, with OIL tap in hand..countries like India and China will be made subservient..
But..China has started pipelines of oil from Russia so ...can do without Middle East Oil....what will happen to India..Only God knows...will it be forced to go back under western colonial rule..?
Do you understand that oil is limited in quantity? There is 650GBL oil and consumption is 30GBL per annum. SO, the idea of controlling oil for ever is simply foolish. Also, if you think India can be made subserviant, you are consuming weed. Oil is important, but is also temporary. No one will sell themselves for oil. Israel is just a marginal player. India, with such huge population can act decisively and wage an all out war if needed to attack anyone meddling. The Arabian sea is under Indian control and India can simply block it. One must also not forget coal liquefaction option with India. China has its own oil supply for internal needs.

If USA could have controlled oil of middle east, it would have already done it by now. USA was not strong enough to do that and hence it made alliance with GCC.

I dislike arguments about things that are welknown. So this is my last post on this. Impact of US sanctions is one of those welknown things and it is the reason India is asking for waiver from US for buying Russian weapons. All independent French institutions come under US laws if they want to deal with US and they cannot afford not to deal with US, hence the impact.
USA just prints dollars. It is not acceptable that USA is allowed to buy the world by just printing dollars. No matter what you say, the usage of petrodollar depends on the extensive cooperation with other countries. It is not that people don't have printers at their countries that they want dollars.

The EU and the French can work in Iran, Libya all they want, they'll soon realize such investments in reconstruction in this region is dead weight. Libya, Iraq, Syria, Iran are shitholes and that won't change just because EU pours in billions in that region. Trump's just cutting his losses and siding with Israel, the choice for the US being quite simple really, Jeru is the eternal city of Christians & Jews and there is no way in hell will this place be allowed to be in the hands of Muslims or threatened to be wiped out.

The real battle is between the Shias and Sunnis, Trump again made a smart move by siding with Saudi which is the home of Islam in a majority 85-90% Sunni Islamic world.

Funny how some say Israel isn't a player in the region, as soon as Trump recognizes Jeru as capital of ISrael, everyone of these dufuses around the world ends up having profuse constipation. Any deal in the middile East needs Israel, half ass attempts such as Ombaba nuke deal were pretty pointless because of this. Israel happens to have the best intel and operational abilities in it's surroundings. Even if this deal continues with US out, Israel won't allow for Iran to have a nuke. Also if anyone has the balls to do something about it is Israel. So while it's fine that the EU continues it's investments, their portfolio just got riskier by staying is this BS deal with Israel motivated more than ever to stopping Iran :rofl:

Iran is deadweight, China buys plenty of oil from them just as India, they picked their side. India should stop with Iran and get it's oil from Saudi and other Sunni oil states. This is not an endorsement of the House of Saud, on the long run, it would do them good to become a bit more tolerant and reign in wahabi assholes who have been promoting the Sunni radical wave.

Saudi backs this pull out from the deal, probably with agreements to increase supply when needed to keep Oil price low.
You are failing to understand that oil is temporary and will exhaust. So, the idea of long run does not arise. Israel is a marginal player but is propped by aid from USA and NATO. The intelligence network of Israel is also intertwined with CIA. USA is able to exert its power everywhere

Iran is a major oil supplier and cutting off Iran will be difficult in current scenario where oil is getting scarce day by day. India is not unwise to stop trading with Iran unless given financial incentives, not threats, to do so.

I agree, however, that investment in middle east is just a waste. They are going to get nothing at all.

Let’s not forget, both Israel(Netanyahu) and saudis did not like Obama.

With trump they have their man in WH.
Don't forget that Saudis funded Hillary Clinton for USA president. The women against Trump rally by Linda Sarsour was also funded by KSA. So, let us not assume that Trump is Saudi man. Saudis liked Obama much more than Trump

and same persians ruled India for thousands of years before and After Islam came.

even we East Iranian Tribe Vishwamitras Ruled India and Saved you from Greeks and wiped out Buddhism in 200 years. pushyamitras, Agnimitras etc are all Iranics.
The so called Persians were Indians by all means. India to Europe was occupied by the same people. The reason why Nazis used Swastika or why europe had 4 estate system like Indian Varna system shows that the areas were linked. Mesopotamia, Persia were part of the ancient dharmic civilisation. There is no reason to say Persians ruled India because there was no difference.

If it was after 1000BC when Persia separated from India by beginning to worship Asuras, then Persia did not rule India for long after that. It was only for limited durations o time
 

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This is Deja Vu for India and France, all over again. India and France used to be the best buddies of Saddam when..well..when he was alive. We used to get oil from them, and he used to keep Sunnis in check and generally was the eyes and ears of Indian intel for everything happening in M.E. France and India were jointly training Saddam's army. France had even sold the Mirage F1s to Saddam. Things were generally peaceful. Then the US invaded Iraq and destabilized it, and in one swift move, India and France suddenly lost a friend, a source of oil, and all influence we had over that region.

The US has done the same thing again with the Iran deal. It's going to impact India in a bad way. It's not a 'Trump thing', it's an American thing. They have bipartisan consensus when it comes to national policies. Decisions like these are not taken on the whims of a single President. They war-game everything and figure out the impact of every micro aspect of the move before they announce something.
 

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Don't forget that Saudis funded Hillary Clinton for USA president. The women against Trump rally by Linda Sarsour was also funded by KSA. So, let us not assume that Trump is Saudi man. Saudis liked Obama much more than Trump
Hilary supporter funder and possible part owner of CNN alwaeel ibn talal has been taken care of.
 

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If USA could have controlled oil of middle east, it would have already done it by now.
The US does control M.E oil. It may not be taking 100% of the profits of the oil sale but it dictates to them who they can and cannot sell to. It also brings new business to them as a middlemen. When the Iran deal was being signed, the US was pressurizing India to stop buying oil from Iran, to which India asked how it was supposed to fulfill its oil needs and Hillary generously offered to start a new supply route from Saudi to India as if it was her father's fiefdom. We rejected that offer and stuck with Iran and even got sanctioned for it (not by Saudi but by the US).
 

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The US does control M.E oil. It may not be taking 100% of the profits of the oil sale but it dictates to them who they can and cannot sell to. It also brings new business to them as a middlemen. When the Iran deal was being signed, the US was pressurizing India to stop buying oil from Iran, to which India asked how it was supposed to fulfill its oil needs and Hillary generously offered to start a new supply route from Saudi to India as if it was her father's fiefdom. We rejected that offer and stuck with Iran and even got sanctioned for it (not by Saudi but by the US).
USA terms with middle east is reliant on middle east accepting petrodollars. USA did impose sanctions on India but that was only in limited manner. India is a big country and is also very powerful. The large population gives large power.

India also holds 20crore Muslim population, which acts as a leverage with middle east. If India expels them, middle east will be in a crisis without food and water. India was foolish to not use the leverage before. But that doesn't mean India will remain foolish forever.

Right pressure on middle east and the military projection of power can make USA sweat. Their paper dollar will mean little if India expels muslims to middle east.
 

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USA is not dependent of ME oil for their economy. They have sufficient internal sources. Oil is only one factor. The other target is weakening the Russia axis in ME, which in my opinion is far more important than controlling oil reserves. Iran backed Hezbolla and Hamas are the biggest threats to Israel security. Failure to remove Assad has greatly reduced American power in Syria and thats why Iran flank is being opened. Pressure on Iran is a diversion for Russia and Iran while the US Israel combine gets more variables to use in the ME strategy matrix.
 

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USA is not dependent of ME oil for their economy. They have sufficient internal sources. Oil is only one factor. The other target is weakening the Russia axis in ME, which in my opinion is far more important than controlling oil reserves. Iran backed Hezbolla and Hamas are the biggest threats to Israel security. Failure to remove Assad has greatly reduced American power in Syria and thats why Iran flank is being opened. Pressure on Iran is a diversion for Russia and Iran while the US Israel combine gets more variables to use in the ME strategy matrix.
Why exactly does Saudis want rivalry with Iran and become slaves of USA? What do the Saudis get in return?

This Iran deal does not work out without the assistance of KSA. Why would KSA choose USA over Iran?
Hilary supporter funder and possible part owner of CNN alwaeel ibn talal has been taken care of.
This doesn't mean that KSA was friendly to Trump. Trump simply pressured KSA to take action against him or face bqcklabain terms of USA interference. The KSA also gave Modi Abdul Aziz award as Modi was angry about Saudi sponsoring congress. This doesn't mean that Saudi likes Modi.
 

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Why exactly does Saudis want rivalry with Iran and become slaves of USA? What do the Saudis get in return?
This Iran deal does not work out without the assistance of KSA. Why would KSA choose USA over Iran?
:dude:duh. Shia Sunni divide bro.
KSA has always bn a rival to Iran. Saudi have always been in US camp just like Jordan, Qatar and UAE. While others like Libya, Iraq, Iran ofcourse and Algeria, Tunisia etc are in Russian camp.
 

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This deal breaker might be good for India as it had been taken for a ride by the mullah regime in Tehran ,there mullah leader called kashmir a nation which is besieged,they did a U-turn in Farzad B gas field which was discovered by ONGC ,they were planning to sell it to Russia ,they also did U-turn on chabahar and called on pakistan ,china , Turkey for close connections with Gwadar and twin port city,they had given preference to Europeans and Chinese in their Market when it was India who was doing business with them even in the Harshest sanctions by America,all in all it will increase the leverage of India when negotiating with the Mullah Regime,Iran only has a value to India because it gives access to Afghanistan other than everything is a hogwash
 

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Why exactly does Saudis want rivalry with Iran and become slaves of USA? What do the Saudis get in return?
This Iran deal does not work out without the assistance of KSA. Why would KSA choose USA over Iran?
Well, Saudi is the leader of Sunnis Muslim and Iran is the big brother of Shia Muslim. These two groups have been fighting against each other for thousand years. What do you think Saudis get in return? The "Crown" of Muslim.

Saudis will choose anyone as long as she/he is against Iran at any time.

This doesn't mean that KSA was friendly to Trump. Trump simply pressured KSA to take action against him or face bqcklabain terms of USA interference. The KSA also gave Modi Abdul Aziz award as Modi was angry about Saudi sponsoring congress. This doesn't mean that Saudi likes Modi.
It is not Trump pressuring KSA. Instead, it is KSA pressure US.
Saudi Arabians were so furious about Iran deal in 2015, they saw it as kind of betrayal. Since then, they were getting closer with Russians (first time buying Russian weapons), Chinese (offering larger oil export).
 

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Looks the fallout side effects are already started Israel and Iran engaging each in proxy syria since last night ..

Israeli missiles hit Syrian radar, air defense sites – state media

https://www.rt.com/news/426310-israel-syria-strike-radar/

Now the saudi s want to build nukes ..Looks like ME is going to see the next nuke s race and i am sure our neighbours will be happy to sell their nukes and soul for few dollars to saudis ..:laugh:

https://www.rt.com/news/426305-saudi-iran-nuclear-tension/


these fucking Britshitstan guys from BBC really know to rub every ones ass "Occupied Golan Heights" o_O

 
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...Their paper dollar will mean little if India expels muslims to middle east.
ME considers indian/paki muslims equivalent to erstwhile Shudras. Untouchables. No way they will open doors if you expel cutlets from here. That is if such an unthinkable event even happens in the first place.
 

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ME considers indian/paki muslims equivalent to erstwhile Shudras. Untouchables. No way they will open doors if you expel cutlets from here. That is if such an unthinkable event even happens in the first place.
That is not a choice they will have. They can't do anything if people rush in from the borders like in Rohingya. India has no obligations to host every tom dick and harry on this earth. If India has to keep quiet, oil has to be supplied. It is unacceptable that India should bear internal threat and external threat (oil cut). It is quid pro quo. Arabs will not be allowed to behave whimsically and rise oil prices or other mischiefs.

No one cares if they think someone is shudras or not. If they shoot down those coming in, then they will be held responsible, not India and they will lose their standing in other Islamic countries and will be held responsible for not helping in need. india is anyways not like by any muslim country and nothing will change. It is the duty of Arabs to give petroleum to India to keep India calm.
 

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Murica had probably planned this pullout in advance when they signed the deal. They wanted to buy time to see the outcome of the Syrian conflict. They probably hoped to topple Assad in 2 years and install a pro-US puppet. That failed. So they are back at Iran's throat to try and change the power balance.
That would have depended on HIllary not getting elected to president,surely? Couldn't see her withdrawing from the deal. Maybe.she would have kept the deal,but gone in harder in Syria than Trump.

I could see the Americans thinking Iran gaining an atom bomb in,say,15 years by 2030(which incidentally was the expiration date of the nuclear deal) was inevitable,under the sanctions, and that this treaty was a good way of buying time,slowing down Iran's nuclear programme,while-at the same time-they took military measures against Iran's allies in the region.
 
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That would have depended on HIllary not getting elected to president,surely? Couldn't see her withdrawing from the deal. Maybe.she would have kept the deal,but gone in harder in Syria than Trump.

I could see the Americans thinking Iran gaining an atom bomb in,say,15 years by 2030(which incidentally was the expiration date of the nuclear deal) was inevitable,under the sanctions, and that this treaty was a good way of buying time,slowing down Iran's nuclear programme,while-at the same time-they took military measures against Iran's allies in the region.
Don't forget that atomic bomb is 1940s technology. The making of highly enriched uranium is not at all hard. The UF6 (Uranium hexafluoride) evaporates at low temperatures and then the gaseous form can be centrifuged and separated. Even if the technology is not advanced enough to get all 7.1kg Uranium235 per tonne, the older technology can still get the top most creamy layer and secure 2kg per tonne Uranium 235. This lower efficiency may result in wastage but nevertheless, can be used to get atom bombs.

Getting a bomb is not hard. It is harder to get advanced electronics, seekers, missiles, jet engine than to get a atom bomb
 

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Don't forget that atomic bomb is 1940s technology. The making of highly enriched uranium is not at all hard. The UF6 (Uranium hexafluoride) evaporates at low temperatures and then the gaseous form can be centrifuged and separated. Even if the technology is not advanced enough to get all 7.1kg Uranium235 per tonne, the older technology can still get the top most creamy layer and secure 2kg per tonne Uranium 235. This lower efficiency may result in wastage but nevertheless, can be used to get atom bombs.

Getting a bomb is not hard. It is harder to get advanced electronics, seekers, missiles, jet engine than to get a atom bomb
With such a huge improvement in super computing and AI, the work will be easier to replicate atleast a Hiroshima type bomb. Shouldnt be that diffivult.
 

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Aviation Week: Airbus, Boeing Sales To Iran Now Off Limits

WASHINGTON—Airbus expects to be bound by the Trump administration’s prohibitions against selling U.S. aircraft and parts to Iran, even if Europe maintains a more business-friendly approach to Iran, a top executive told Aviation Daily.

“In this case, [the U.S. and Europe] are two opposing forces, but the fact of the matter is we will follow the rules and that means we’re going to follow the sanctions and regulations,” Airbus Americas CEO Jeffrey Knittel said after President Donald Trump’s May 8 announcement that the U.S. would be exiting the nuclear accord with Iran. “It’s as simple as that.”

In a sitdown interview at Airbus Americas’ Herndon, Virginia headquarters in suburban Washington, Knittel said his European-based company will have to carefully review the final White House order and subsequent Treasury Department actions regarding Iran sanctions, but the company essentially believes whole aircraft are now off limits for sale to Iran. “Our goal is to sell airplanes,” he said. “But we have to do that within the bounds and rules and laws of the country and of the world, and we will do that.”

Rival Boeing made a similar proclamation. “We will consult with the U.S. government on next steps,” said Gordon Johndroe, Boeing VP for government operations communications. “As we have throughout this process, we’ll continue to follow the U.S. government’s lead.”

Trump announced what he said was a withdrawal from the Obama administration’s nuclear deal with Iran. The Treasury Department said previously issued licenses to OEMs, allowing aircraft sales to Iran, would be revoked. While most financial analysts thought the lost sales were not significant to the bottom lines of Airbus, Boeing and Embraer, they are still noteworthy.

For instance, Boeing had agreements with Iranian airlines for about $20 billion worth of new airliners, at list prices, including 110 737 MAXs and 30 777s. Airbus was the first aircraft OEM to sign a preliminary agreement with Iran Air in January 2016 for up to 118 aircraft, including 21 A320ceo-family aircraft, 24 A320neo-family aircraft, 27 A330ceos, 18 A330-900s and 12 A380s. Iran Air took delivery of its first aircraft from that order, an A321ceo, in Jan. 2017. Embraer was believed to have at least 20 E195s lined up for sale to Iranian airlines worth more than $1 billion at list prices.

“The Trump administration will now look to re-negotiate with Iran, but we believe the potential for firm orders, or deliveries by Boeing into Iran, are now well into the future,” Canaccord Genuity analyst Ken Herbert said. “Near term, we believe the re-imposition of sanctions will contribute to rising crude prices, and could be a tailwind for sentiment around defense stocks, but [it] does not have a material negative impact on Boeing’s backlog.”

Expectations that the sales would be lost had been growing for months as Trump openly criticized the Iran deal and had threatened to pull out of it since being a candidate. As such, industry was not surprised, according to many stated reactions, and had been preparing for Trump’s decision.

“There were indications of what could happen,” Knittel said. “But I think the most important thing is to make sure we have all the facts, and then once we have those facts to take the appropriate action. But whatever we do, it’s going to be in compliance with the laws.”

Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg on April 25 assured analysts and reporters that his company had continued to build risk mitigation into its 777 production plan. “The good news is that the fundamental strength of the 777 product line and the increased sales volume that we’re seeing in the marketplace both for 777-300ERs and for the 777 freighters has only bolstered our confidence in that line,” he said.

Where’s that wannabe French fellow wanting to do business with Iran?!
 

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India will have to reduce oil imports from Iran unless another way of payment is found. India is not worried about oil as we can always buy from Saudi, iraq, Russia and US (shale) but the North south corridor is affected. Let's see how Modi etc handle this.
 

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