Tipu Sultan and The Hindu Ring

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Hahah, so what my list...
your comment proved your hatred towards a specific community, which is wrong, don't know why ur so angry on this thing?
even if a person is muslim and is proven indian or even worked for india's unity he is my man.
Akbar was different and better than other mughal kings, so he is on list, its history please consult foreign books too if u don't agree with education/history in india, which is way better than those of few close by nations. :)

Also don't forget, they were just kings and kings can never be that good..

don't forget many Muslim indian leaders, scientists etc..
Let me provide some points from "history", and then you can decide if he is still a gem to have suddenly erupted in a lineage full of homosexuals, drug addicts, womanizing, fratricidal and head-tower raising lunatics.

1. Proceedings of Indian History Congress, New Delhi, 1972, FatehNama-i-Chittor dispatched by Akbar after winning Chittor.
Translated and annotated by Ishtiaq Ahmed Zilli, pp. 350-61.
'"Praise be to Allah who made good His promise, helped His servant, honoured His soldiers, defeated the confederates all alone, and after whom there is nothing."128 All Praise and thanksgiving behoves that great Opener (fattah) of forts and kingdoms, in whose grasp are the keys of the conquests of the just and religious Sultans, and with whose patent of favour and authority are decorated the manshurs of the Khilafat and sovereignty of the victorious emperors. The Merciful one (Karim) whose omnipotence has ensured the victory of the believers through the promise: "to help believers is incumbent upon us,"129 the Omnipotent one who enjoined the task of destroying the wicked infidels on the dutiful mujahids through the blows of their thunder-like scimitars laid down: "Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands and He will lay them low and give you victory over them."130"Glorified is He, and High Exalted from what they say,"131 "His sovereignty is not dependent on any friend and helper."

'Whereas the Sovereign one, universal be His bounty and exalted His glory, has, in conformity with "I am to appoint thee a leader of the mankind",132 assigned to us government of the mumalik of Hindustan which is one of the biggest countries of the world, and the Munshi of the office (diwan khana) of munificence and the Supreme Sovereign has adorned the radiant mandate (manshur) of our Khilafat and monarchy with the Parwana "Surely we established him in the land"133and decorated it with the ornament of "That is the bounty of Allah, which He giveth unto whom He will".134 All the people who are Allah's trusts, being in the security of Peace from the hardships and misfortunes of the age, are busy in discharging the obligations of obedience and worship of the Almighty under our benevolent Protection, we deem it our duty to render thanks and express gratitude for this great favour. In accordance with "Proceed whither you wish, you are victorious," in whatever direction we Proceed fortune and felicity come forward to greet us and whither we turn the reign of our resolution the success and victory hasten to our Presence. In conformity with the happy injunction – "This is of the grace of my Lord that He may try me whether I am grateful or ungrateful"135 - we spend our precious time to the best of our ability in war (ghiza) and Jihad and with the help of Eternal Allah, who is the supporter of our ever-increasing empire, we are busy in subjugating the localities, habitations, forts and towns which are under the possession of the infidels, may Allah forsake and annihilate all of them, and thus raising the standard of Islam everywhere and removing the darkness of polytheism and violent sins by the use of sword. We destroy the places of worship of idols in those places and other parts of India. "The praise be to Allah, who hath guided us to this, and we would not have found the way had it not been that Allah had guided us."136

'The purport of the discourse is that during these victorious times, after the elimination of Ali Quli and (his) ungrateful faction we arrived at the Capital Agra like "the noble, victorious",137 and with a view to augment the materials of our recreation of hunting of elephants we encamped in the confines of Sivi Supar and Gagrun which are on the border of the country of Chitor. There it was brought to our notice that Rana Udai Singh, may Allah annihilate him, from whom it was expected that he would come forward to welcome, pay respects and kiss the royal threshold or would send his son with Peshkash, has adopted, due to excessive pride and conceit, an obstinate and arrogant attitude. (He) is collecting provisions in the fort of Chitor which is his hereditary place of residence and is distinguished in the forts of India in strength and grandeur, with the intention of entrenching himself there. Since the thoughts of war (ghiza) and Jihad dominated the enlightened mind, it (Rana's behaviour) made the King angry and increased (his) zeal for the divine religion. Despite the fact that most of the royal troops had returned to their Jagirs after the last victory and only a few, who happened to be present at the Capital, accompanied the royal cavalcade on this hunting (excursion), we turned our rein to suppress that infidel. Fearful of the approach of the imperial standards he left his uncle, Sahidas Jaimal and Udiban Patta who are renowned for their valour among the infidels, may Allah forsake them and lead them to the abode of perdition, and who are considered to be equal to a thousand horsemen in intrepidity and prowess, with five thousand chosen Rajputs, one thousand troops from his (Rana's) own contingent and ten thousand other men to guard the fort. (The Rana) himself hastened with his troops to Udaipur and Kombalmir which are located in the security of the mountains and jungles. When at the town of Rampur, which is one of the well-known towns attached to Chitor, it became known that he was entertaining such plans, the royal mind decided upon subjugating the fort (of Chitor) with the divine help and only then to take other steps that may appear feasible. In this way we arrived in front of the fort with the intention of besieging it on Thursday, 20 Rabi II/Oct. 24, 1567. A fort rose in view such as Alburz with all its majesty would appear an insignificant rock at its foot and Tur and Hindukush would fit as walls in its rampart. Its canopy vies with the Crystalline sphere in its height. Its circumference is about three farsangs and the calculators are unable to count its battlements.

'Though the siege of the fort looked impossible, but by the grace of Almighty and with the secret help of the accomplished people, any direction that we have taken we have achieved there what we have wished; the very same day we inspected the surroundings of the fort carefully, and entrusted each place to one of the courageous servants (Khans, Sultans and Amirs) of the exalted court who were present. The mountain traversing warriors, who brave the fields of battle and seek Jihad with all their heart and soul and consider martyrdom to be the greatest reward in this as well as the other world, sought permission to take themselves to the towers and fortifications and putting their trust in Allah and relying on the divine help, which is the source of strength to the imperial authority, carry out brave assaults and bring the fort under control by force. Since those ignoble people had collected such large quantities of weapons for defending the fort like mortars (deg), zarbzan, cannon (top), matchlock (tufang), catapult (manjaniq), jarr-i saqil, naphtha (naft) and nawak that would last for thirty years even if continuously used, and since they had great confidence in these weapons and in the strength of the fort as well as their own prowess, we did not let them (the royal officers) fight with a view to protecting the people of Islam, may Allah preserve them till the day of resurrection, lest some of them may get killed in rashness. (We) sent for the dragon-like rads (cannon), mortars and other pieces of artillery which were left at the capital. We also ordered the manufacture of cannon and mountain-breaking mortars in the camp and decided that tunnels be dug and after the arrival of battering ram (sarkob) and sabat (covered passage) an attack be launched. We appointed some troops of the left wing to sack, kill and (take) captives the people of Udaipur, and the troops and men of Rana who were there while he himself was perched at a distance of ten Kos. We sent another army to plunder and sack Rampur. The troops returned with immense booty after despatching many of the worthless infidels to the abode of perdition. After the arrival of the artillery (topkhana), completion of the covered passage (sabat), explosion of the mines causing conflagration and (the consequent) blowing up of the towers and battlements, we directed the troops to establish themselves at the foot of the rampart and surround the fort from every side. The doomed ones (Rajputs) being fully informed this time of the strength and prowess of the army of Islam and the asperity and haughtiness of their ruler they started imploring for intercession and respite with abject submission and some of the chiefs came out (with this petition). Notwithstanding the fact that they had caused death of many people of Islam both nobles and common soldiers, with matchlock-fire, continuous showering of stones through the manjaniq, they sued (for peace) on such impossible terms which could not be conceded. They were permitted to return. Next day we went in person to the sabat of Muhammad Qasim Khad, mir-i bahr, which was nearest to the fort and issued orders for Jang-i Sultani to be launched.

'The armies of Islam. placing their reliance in (the revelation) "Allah is sufficient for us and most excellent protector",138 fearlessly and boldly commenced the assault. Within (the fort) the vigilant bands of jew-like infidels set ablaze the fire of conflict and brawl by discharging fire-raining manjaniqs and cannon (top) one after the other. The lions of the forest of intrepidity and the panthers of the mountain of bravery, in their extreme courage stretched their coveting hands to the Sash of the Constellation Orion and with great expedition snatched the diadem from the head of Bahram.

'In conformity with the commandment, "And prepare against them what force you can,"139 the troops excelled each other and with complete unity betook themselves to the towers and the walls of the fort that were breached by the artillery fire. From that multitude, groups like the pigs bit by arrows rushed out of doors and blocked the entry of the combatants. In return they (the royal troops) fought back by throwing arrows and stones and scattered those retreating ones (the Rajputs). They sent a tremor through the ranks of the enemy with incessant and frightful cannonade setting fire to the harvest of their lives.

'Three days and nights passed in this manner. The two sides did not stop fighting even for a moment. All the attempts of these fox-like people at fraud and deception were frustrated by the lions of the jungle of intrepidity. At last on the night of Tuesday, 25th of Shaban, 975 A.H. (23 February 1568) in conformity with ""¦they shall not be able to ward off the fire from their faces nor from their backs, nor shall they be helped"140 the continuous rain of fiery balls and cannonade became so intense in conformity with "Nay, it shall come on them all of a sudden and cause them to be confounded"141 that those condemned ones were no longer able to resist. The call from beyond – "If ye help Allah, He will help you and will make your foothold firm"142 - was coming to the exalted hearing and every moment the Divine Inspirer made audible the good tidings: "Now surely Allah's help is nigh."143 The revengeful warriors and the brave ones skilled in the use of daggers, deadly set against the enemy and drenched in the blood, delivered concerted assault and succeeded in removing the wooden planks with which those accursed ones had blocked the breaches. Seeing this, Jaimal, one of the three chiefs, who had taken the lead in the battle and was looking after the fort from the beginning to the end advanced with a body of men to stop the breach. In the meanwhile some artillery men belonging to that wretched band fired their guns one after the other (and in their flashes) Jaimal, and those accompanying him could be seen (from afar). As for the last three days and nights we have been present there (battery of Qasim Khan) often firing with muskets and arrows and since it was destined for Jaimal that he should hasten to the lowest parts of hell at our own Allah-worshipping hands, when he came in view the matchlock (tufang) we were holding, was ready as is said, "When Allah wills any-thing, He provides its means." No sooner he was seen and the gun discharged then the worthless infidel was struck in forehead and hearing the call, "where so ever you may be, death will overtake you, even though you were in lofty towers,"144 proceeded to the abode of perdition. This caused great consternation among the high and low of that cattle-like community. (Subsequently) the other chiefs continued to resist but they could not repulse the brave from the openings. At the dawn, the excellent archers whose skill is such that they could pierce the eye of an ant at dark night and the lancers who could pick up the crumbs of the breach from the ground, putting the elephants in front delivered another assault. (They) forced their entry into the fort through sheer bravery and prowess and started discharging arrows and fighting with lances.

'The hand of destiny had covered the deceitful eyes of that erroneous, arrogant and scanty host with the nocturnal blindness of ill-luck "And they thought that there would be no affliction and so they became blind and deaf"145 and had blocked upon them the way of success and escape in accordance with "They could neither go forward nor turn back."146The people of Islam were busy praying: "Our lord! bestow on us endurance, make our foothold sure, and give us help against the disbelieving folk,"147 and the refreshing message - "Help from Allah and present Victory. Give good tidings to believers"148 - was coming to them from heaven. They advanced in groups against the wicked unbelievers to get hold of the opening. (They) stood in the foremost rank without flinching and got an upper hand. They felled them (the Rajputs) one upon the other with the strokes of (their) blood-thirsty sword, leaving all around heaps of the slain. Pursuing the remnant who were fleeing in different directions – "As they were frightened asses, fleeing from the lion"149 - despatched them to the lowest part of the hell - when the star of success and good fortune rose from the horizon of the sublime message, "Victory comes only by the help of Allah, the Mighty, the Wise"150 the whole victorious troop entered the fort. In accordance with the imperative Command "And kill the idolators all together,"151 those defiant ones who were still offering resistance having formed themselves into knots of two to three hundred persons, were put to death and their women and children taken prisoners. According to the promise, "Allah promised you many acquisitions which you will take,"152 immense booty and spoils in cash and kind were acquired. "So the roots of the people who were unjust were cut off, and all praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the worlds."153

'The receptacle of nobility, the support of kingdom, the pillar of the mighty state, the prop of the magnificent empire, the confidant of the resplendent Khilafat, the foremost among the great Khans of the age, the climber of the ladder of authority and dignity, the devoted and sincere and the well-wishing one, the intrepid cavalier, the adorner of the ranks in the field of valour and bravery, Mubarizuddin Mir Mohammad Khan Bahadur, and the receptacle of nobility, the support of kingdom, the pillar of the mighty state, the prop of the magnificent empire, the best among the sinceres of the age, worthy of confidence and favour, the rider of the field of battle and valour, Qutbuddin Mohammad Khan Bahadur and the rest of the great Khans and noble Sultans alongwith the Saiyids, Ulama, Mashaikh, the Ghazis of Shariat and other dignitaries, residents, inhabitants, Chaudhris, Qanoongos, the ri'aya and peasants (muzari'an) of Sarkar Punjab respectively, being jubilant at the happy tidings carried by this auspicious Fathnama, which is, in fact, a foretaste of the victories to follow, should offer infinite thanksgivings. They should also pray in the auspicious moments, when the prayers are more likely to be granted, for the long life of our noble self, the perpetuity of the empire and for the grant of greater competence to us for fulfilling obligation of Jihad, divine worship and acts of piety. Further they should continuously be expecting that day after day doors of fresh victories and successes will be opened before us.

'Whereas after the management of the affairs of Chitor we have turned the reins of our determination towards the capital Agra,

The horse beneath the thigh and overhead canopy of victory, The victory and success keeping company and divine help guiding the way.

'Allah willing within these few day we will reach the seat of the Khilafat. The pillar of the state knowing that our thoughts are directed towards the management of his affairs and the fulfilment of the hopes and aspirations of all the well-wishers may send regular reports about the development (in his region). Any request that he might like to make should be communicated (to the court) so that it may be granted. Written by the royal order (to be obeyed permanently) at Ajmer on 10th of the month of Ramzan 975 A.H., 9 March 1568."
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That concludes Akbar the Great emperor ensuring a massacre of 25,000 civilians trapped inside a fort that he had already won.
Habitual of measuring his success by weighing the Janeu (sacred thread) collected from the fallen soldiers and civilians, Akbar's latest success in Chittor (as Abu Fazl records) amounted to seventy four and half manns (a unit of weight in India equalling 40 kg) by weight. To eternalize the memory of this deed the number 74.5 is accursed and marked on a banker's letter in Rajasthan it is the strongest of seals, for "the sin of the sack of Chittor" is invoked on him who violates a letter under the safeguard of this mysterious number.

2. Rodolfo Acquaviva, Jesuit ambassador to Akbar's court writes that Akbar would sometimes drink so much that he would fall asleep talking to guests. He used to drink Taadi sometimes and Post other times. At times he used to behaving almost insanely when drunk beyond limit. (Akbar gave a Russian family to this Jesuit as parting gift, indicating that he kept slaves of multiple nationalities.)

Abu Fazl narrates a party's incident where a drunk Akbar had almost killed himself trying a trick with his sword, if Man Singh hadn't saved him :
"Akbar, to the horror of those present, prepared to hurl himself on the blade of his sword, which he had fixed to the wall. Man Singh kicked it anyway in the nick of time and in so doing cut the emperor's hand. Akbar in a rage knocked his rescuer down and only with difficulty was prevented (by Saiyad Muzaffar) from strangling him."

3. Abu Fazl describes Akbar's harem as having 5,000 women, apart from 36 wives. Other than this harem, there were other jewels :
"Close to home of Shahanshah Akbar, a bar has been set up. So many prostitutes aggregated there that it became difficult to keep a count. Courtiers used to take the dancers home. But if someone wanted to take home a virgin, he had to take permission from Akbar. Sometimes violence would happen among youth. Once Akbar himself called several prostitutes and asked who broke their virginity."

One might want to ponder on who these women were, since muslim women were supposed to be behind the veil.

Anyway, further on the rules of enjoyment Abu Fazl writes in Akbarnama :
"Whenever a Beghum, or wives of courtiers or virgins wanted to be enjoyed, they were supposed to send an application to Harem in-charge. Then their application would reach the palace authorities. After that they were allowed to enter and stay in Harem for up to even one month."
The first condition in treaty of Ranathambhor was that Rajputs should dispatch Dolis of women to Royal Harem

4. After killing Hemu, his head was sent to Kabul and the head less body was hanged at the gate of Delhi to display the Emperor's kindness. Akbar had a pillar of cut heads raised to celebrate this victory at Delhi.

5. Akbar's ways of punishment/killing were equally innovative :
Muhammad Mirak was executed after an ordeal of 5 days. In these 5 days an elephant would keep picking up Mirak in his trunk and throw him away ... again and again.
Humzaban's tongue was cut-off.
Muzaffar Shah was trampled by an elephant.
Masud Hussain Mirza's eyes were sewed close.
Mirza's 300 supporters were brought in front of him after putting hides of donkeys, sheep and dogs over their faces and then butchered.

6. On 2nd September, 1573, the pious Emepror again had a pillar of more than 2000 cut-heads erected in Ahmedabad.

7. After defeating Dawud Khan of Bengal, 8 tall pillars of cut heads were raised. When Dawud Khan in dying stage asked for water, he was given water in shoes.

8. During his visit at Thaneshwar, a dispute was brought to the Emeperor's notice. It was for ownership of the place of worship between two sects Kuru and Puri. Akbar ordered that they should fight and the victorious shall have the claim.
Men of both sects fought with weapons to kill each other. When one group starts dominating, Akbar would order his soldiers to join ranks with the other. Eventually both the groups were killed to the last man. Akbar then had a great laugh.

9. According to Todd after winning Chittor, secular Akbar had the idol of Ekalinga Temple destroyed and put a platform to offer Namaz.

10. One day the kind Emperor woke from his sleep in afternoon and found a guard sleeping near his bed. For such heinous crime, he had the guard thrown away from top of a tower.

11. The man was obsessed with the idea of having himself proclaimed as a prophet. By rule all his Kafir courtiers had to drink the water used to clean his feet (holy Charnamrit to say so). That he thought of himself as larger than life, is clear from his Din-e-Ilahi religion.

12. There is no evidence of any abolishment of Jiziya by Akbar, with one exception of Ranthambhore; from where he got women for his harem as part of a treaty.
Other than this, only few stray incidents of minor concessions in Jiziya exist.

13. Kandahar, Akbar had converted a large number of people into slaves because they opposed some new policies in 1581-82.
Later horses were bought by selling these slaves.

There it is. Akbar the Great, so much better than other Kings.

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Virendra
 

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There it is the Truth of so Called "Secular" King Akbar. I repeat Most of the Mughal Emperors were Barbaric Dogs with no exception. Some were less Barbaric and some were More.

But most were Barbaric Dogs.
 

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Still Mughals were far better than Turko-Afghan Sultans.

Cruelty, having large harem were common then, more ever Akbar was follower of Islam religion. He did not introduce Islam. So for his religious narrow mindedness(and for all fanatic Muslims), their religion is to be blamed. Not themselves.
 

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No Need to finding Positives in a Barbaric Dogs. They were Dogs. Period.

Still Mughals were far better than Turko-Afghan Sultans.

Cruelty, having large harem were common then, more ever Akbar was follower of Islam religion. He did not introduce Islam. So for his religious narrow mindedness(and for all fanatic Muslims), their religion is to be blamed. Not themselves.
 

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No Need to finding Positives in a Barbaric Dogs. They were Dogs. Period.
You cant use today's standards to judge what happened in past. Even Ashoka killed many, should we hate him them?

Ashokavadana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ashokavadana mentions two incidents of Ashoka turning away from non-violence after adopting Buddhism. In one instance, a non-Buddhist in Pundravardhana drew a picture showing the Buddha bowing at the feet of Nirgrantha Jnatiputra (identified with Mahavira, the founder of Jainism). On complaint from a Buddhist devotee, Asoka issued an order to arrest him, and subsequently, another order to kill all the Ajivikas in Pundravardhana. Around 18,000 followers of the Ajivika sect were executed as a result of this order.
 

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You cant use today's standards to judge what happened in past. Even Ashoka killed many, should we hate him them?

Ashokavadana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Then one shouldn't praise them in today's standards either. Whoever called Akbar secular, great, Indian etc etc :rolleyes:

This situation & mindset raises a question. Why do we like to project and perceive the man with average height, limped walk, tilted head, small nose having protruding bone, swollen nostrils, followed by half pea sized wart before the upper lip, dark complexion - like a greek God (Hrithik Roshan fame).
And then why don't even look at what our people like Pratap, Shivaji etc did, how they lived, how they carried themselves. No interest.
How different is that from the Paki habit of worshipping their looters and marauders.

About Ashoka, yes if he gave those orders then is to be criticized as well. Ashokavadana's authenticity has been doubted by members here before ( @civfanatic). I would let them explain why.
Post - http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...-had-not-converted-buddhism-3.html#post602884
 
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Its all Product of our So Called Secular Education System. Warped History, Never Told the true Stories, never Glorofied Our true Leaders. And in fact our Family system too. They believe in Protecting their young Ones and wanting a Safe Life for them. They never tell you the truth.

The Result is a generation with no sense of Truth, distorted thinking, distorted upbringing. But it all abodes well with the British, The Mughals who time and again looted and Plundered us.They might be thinking we assaulted these Indians but now they are worshipping Us, emulating Us..
 

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Still Mughals were far better than Turko-Afghan Sultans.

Cruelty, having large harem were common then, more ever Akbar was follower of Islam religion. He did not introduce Islam. So for his religious narrow mindedness(and for all fanatic Muslims), their religion is to be blamed. Not themselves.
If a person murders someone, their psychology that provoked murder is to be blamed and not them.
I wonder how that'll stand in the court.
Nobody forced Islam on Akbar or the people around him.
If Islam is the only thing to be blamed, then how do you explain the present harmony and co-existence in a multi-religious India.
Should I conclude that muslims exist in India but Islam is not existant? :D
 

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my history professor says that akbar stopped sati cause he wanted to have physical relations with widows......
 

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Then one shouldn't praise them in today's standards either. Whoever called Akbar secular, great, Indian etc etc :rolleyes:

This situation & mindset raises a question. Why do we like to project and perceive the man with average height, limped walk, tilted head, small nose having protruding bone, swollen nostrils, followed by half pea sized wart before the upper lip, dark complexion - like a greek God (Hrithik Roshan fame).
And then why don't even look at what our people like Pratap, Shivaji etc did, how they lived, how they carried themselves. No interest.
How different is that from the Paki habit of worshipping their looters and marauders.

About Ashoka, yes if he gave those orders then is to be criticized as well. Ashokavadana's authenticity has been doubted by members here before ( @civfanatic). I would let them explain why.
Post - http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...-had-not-converted-buddhism-3.html#post602884
Thanks for giving link to that thread.

Btw then do you believe India was colonized since 1192 AD.? Muslims too are Indians.

Hinduism btw is not Indian either, it had many similarities with ancient Persian Zoroastrianism. Aryans were not Indians. If you think Mughals were foreigners so ignoring is good, then I say only Santhal, Munda these tribes and Dravidians are true Indians.

How ever I do agree that Akbar's nobleness is over hyped.

Btw about Islam in India, Islam is like a process- It's only ultimate goal is to turn a Dar-Ul Harb country a Dar-Ul Islam country.

I read many Islam's "peace" verses on internet, you can see those. Even listening to music is prohibit in Islam, I am sure Allah will punish Shahrukh Khan for acting career.
 
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Got Kings together? Please elaborate which Kings these are. Ever since he came to throne, PRC was leading campaigns into other States, not forging alliances. He agreed to Ministerial advice to "not interfere" when his neighbouring Chalukyas were heading into battle with Ghori.
So from where did these numerous Kings come up and get together on his call?
In Tarain-I he had his generals (Skanda, Udayaraja and Bhuvanik Malla etc) and their forces on his side, could match the Turks on cavalry, in frontal charge and won. There were no Kings on his side.
In Tarain=II he didn't have his generals and their forces. There were only Govindraj and PRC himself with their forces. That explains why PRC tried to negotiate with Ghori (for buying time), so that atleast one of his generals could join him.
By whom?

Regards,
Virendra
Well he was betrayed by jaychand ,the king of kanauj. check it too.
and its known that over 150 rajput rulers/chiefs came together to fight muslim invaders.

What am trying to say is that kings were never better person of good representation of india, even behind Chandra gupta was chanakay the mind.
My list is basis of kings who were better than other in their time or who made india as one, tried to unite india even if their main aim was otherwise, u can too share ur list.
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Let me provide some points from "history", and then you can decide if he is still a gem to have suddenly erupted in a lineage full of homosexuals, drug addicts, womanizing, fratricidal and head-tower raising lunatics.

1. Proceedings of Indian History Congress, New Delhi, 1972, FatehNama-i-Chittor dispatched by Akbar after winning Chittor.
Translated and annotated by Ishtiaq Ahmed Zilli, pp. 350-61.
'"Praise be to Allah who made good His promise, helped His servant, honoured His soldiers, defeated the confederates all alone, and after whom there is nothing."128 All Praise and thanksgiving behoves that great Opener (fattah) of forts and kingdoms, in whose grasp are the keys of the conquests of the just and religious Sultans, and with whose patent of favour and authority are decorated the manshurs of the Khilafat and sovereignty of the victorious emperors. The Merciful one (Karim) whose omnipotence has ensured the victory of the believers through the promise: "to help believers is incumbent upon us,"129 the Omnipotent one who enjoined the task of destroying the wicked infidels on the dutiful mujahids through the blows of their thunder-like scimitars laid down: "Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands and He will lay them low and give you victory over them."130"Glorified is He, and High Exalted from what they say,"131 "His sovereignty is not dependent on any friend and helper."

'Whereas the Sovereign one, universal be His bounty and exalted His glory, has, in conformity with "I am to appoint thee a leader of the mankind",132 assigned to us government of the mumalik of Hindustan which is one of the biggest countries of the world, and the Munshi of the office (diwan khana) of munificence and the Supreme Sovereign has adorned the radiant mandate (manshur) of our Khilafat and monarchy with the Parwana "Surely we established him in the land"133and decorated it with the ornament of "That is the bounty of Allah, which He giveth unto whom He will".134 All the people who are Allah's trusts, being in the security of Peace from the hardships and misfortunes of the age, are busy in discharging the obligations of obedience and worship of the Almighty under our benevolent Protection, we deem it our duty to render thanks and express gratitude for this great favour. In accordance with "Proceed whither you wish, you are victorious," in whatever direction we Proceed fortune and felicity come forward to greet us and whither we turn the reign of our resolution the success and victory hasten to our Presence. In conformity with the happy injunction – "This is of the grace of my Lord that He may try me whether I am grateful or ungrateful"135 - we spend our precious time to the best of our ability in war (ghiza) and Jihad and with the help of Eternal Allah, who is the supporter of our ever-increasing empire, we are busy in subjugating the localities, habitations, forts and towns which are under the possession of the infidels, may Allah forsake and annihilate all of them, and thus raising the standard of Islam everywhere and removing the darkness of polytheism and violent sins by the use of sword. We destroy the places of worship of idols in those places and other parts of India. "The praise be to Allah, who hath guided us to this, and we would not have found the way had it not been that Allah had guided us."136

'The purport of the discourse is that during these victorious times, after the elimination of Ali Quli and (his) ungrateful faction we arrived at the Capital Agra like "the noble, victorious",137 and with a view to augment the materials of our recreation of hunting of elephants we encamped in the confines of Sivi Supar and Gagrun which are on the border of the country of Chitor. There it was brought to our notice that Rana Udai Singh, may Allah annihilate him, from whom it was expected that he would come forward to welcome, pay respects and kiss the royal threshold or would send his son with Peshkash, has adopted, due to excessive pride and conceit, an obstinate and arrogant attitude. (He) is collecting provisions in the fort of Chitor which is his hereditary place of residence and is distinguished in the forts of India in strength and grandeur, with the intention of entrenching himself there. Since the thoughts of war (ghiza) and Jihad dominated the enlightened mind, it (Rana's behaviour) made the King angry and increased (his) zeal for the divine religion. Despite the fact that most of the royal troops had returned to their Jagirs after the last victory and only a few, who happened to be present at the Capital, accompanied the royal cavalcade on this hunting (excursion), we turned our rein to suppress that infidel. Fearful of the approach of the imperial standards he left his uncle, Sahidas Jaimal and Udiban Patta who are renowned for their valour among the infidels, may Allah forsake them and lead them to the abode of perdition, and who are considered to be equal to a thousand horsemen in intrepidity and prowess, with five thousand chosen Rajputs, one thousand troops from his (Rana's) own contingent and ten thousand other men to guard the fort. (The Rana) himself hastened with his troops to Udaipur and Kombalmir which are located in the security of the mountains and jungles. When at the town of Rampur, which is one of the well-known towns attached to Chitor, it became known that he was entertaining such plans, the royal mind decided upon subjugating the fort (of Chitor) with the divine help and only then to take other steps that may appear feasible. In this way we arrived in front of the fort with the intention of besieging it on Thursday, 20 Rabi II/Oct. 24, 1567. A fort rose in view such as Alburz with all its majesty would appear an insignificant rock at its foot and Tur and Hindukush would fit as walls in its rampart. Its canopy vies with the Crystalline sphere in its height. Its circumference is about three farsangs and the calculators are unable to count its battlements.

'Though the siege of the fort looked impossible, but by the grace of Almighty and with the secret help of the accomplished people, any direction that we have taken we have achieved there what we have wished; the very same day we inspected the surroundings of the fort carefully, and entrusted each place to one of the courageous servants (Khans, Sultans and Amirs) of the exalted court who were present. The mountain traversing warriors, who brave the fields of battle and seek Jihad with all their heart and soul and consider martyrdom to be the greatest reward in this as well as the other world, sought permission to take themselves to the towers and fortifications and putting their trust in Allah and relying on the divine help, which is the source of strength to the imperial authority, carry out brave assaults and bring the fort under control by force. Since those ignoble people had collected such large quantities of weapons for defending the fort like mortars (deg), zarbzan, cannon (top), matchlock (tufang), catapult (manjaniq), jarr-i saqil, naphtha (naft) and nawak that would last for thirty years even if continuously used, and since they had great confidence in these weapons and in the strength of the fort as well as their own prowess, we did not let them (the royal officers) fight with a view to protecting the people of Islam, may Allah preserve them till the day of resurrection, lest some of them may get killed in rashness. (We) sent for the dragon-like rads (cannon), mortars and other pieces of artillery which were left at the capital. We also ordered the manufacture of cannon and mountain-breaking mortars in the camp and decided that tunnels be dug and after the arrival of battering ram (sarkob) and sabat (covered passage) an attack be launched. We appointed some troops of the left wing to sack, kill and (take) captives the people of Udaipur, and the troops and men of Rana who were there while he himself was perched at a distance of ten Kos. We sent another army to plunder and sack Rampur. The troops returned with immense booty after despatching many of the worthless infidels to the abode of perdition. After the arrival of the artillery (topkhana), completion of the covered passage (sabat), explosion of the mines causing conflagration and (the consequent) blowing up of the towers and battlements, we directed the troops to establish themselves at the foot of the rampart and surround the fort from every side. The doomed ones (Rajputs) being fully informed this time of the strength and prowess of the army of Islam and the asperity and haughtiness of their ruler they started imploring for intercession and respite with abject submission and some of the chiefs came out (with this petition). Notwithstanding the fact that they had caused death of many people of Islam both nobles and common soldiers, with matchlock-fire, continuous showering of stones through the manjaniq, they sued (for peace) on such impossible terms which could not be conceded. They were permitted to return. Next day we went in person to the sabat of Muhammad Qasim Khad, mir-i bahr, which was nearest to the fort and issued orders for Jang-i Sultani to be launched.

'The armies of Islam. placing their reliance in (the revelation) "Allah is sufficient for us and most excellent protector",138 fearlessly and boldly commenced the assault. Within (the fort) the vigilant bands of jew-like infidels set ablaze the fire of conflict and brawl by discharging fire-raining manjaniqs and cannon (top) one after the other. The lions of the forest of intrepidity and the panthers of the mountain of bravery, in their extreme courage stretched their coveting hands to the Sash of the Constellation Orion and with great expedition snatched the diadem from the head of Bahram.

'In conformity with the commandment, "And prepare against them what force you can,"139 the troops excelled each other and with complete unity betook themselves to the towers and the walls of the fort that were breached by the artillery fire. From that multitude, groups like the pigs bit by arrows rushed out of doors and blocked the entry of the combatants. In return they (the royal troops) fought back by throwing arrows and stones and scattered those retreating ones (the Rajputs). They sent a tremor through the ranks of the enemy with incessant and frightful cannonade setting fire to the harvest of their lives.

'Three days and nights passed in this manner. The two sides did not stop fighting even for a moment. All the attempts of these fox-like people at fraud and deception were frustrated by the lions of the jungle of intrepidity. At last on the night of Tuesday, 25th of Shaban, 975 A.H. (23 February 1568) in conformity with ""¦they shall not be able to ward off the fire from their faces nor from their backs, nor shall they be helped"140 the continuous rain of fiery balls and cannonade became so intense in conformity with "Nay, it shall come on them all of a sudden and cause them to be confounded"141 that those condemned ones were no longer able to resist. The call from beyond – "If ye help Allah, He will help you and will make your foothold firm"142 - was coming to the exalted hearing and every moment the Divine Inspirer made audible the good tidings: "Now surely Allah's help is nigh."143 The revengeful warriors and the brave ones skilled in the use of daggers, deadly set against the enemy and drenched in the blood, delivered concerted assault and succeeded in removing the wooden planks with which those accursed ones had blocked the breaches. Seeing this, Jaimal, one of the three chiefs, who had taken the lead in the battle and was looking after the fort from the beginning to the end advanced with a body of men to stop the breach. In the meanwhile some artillery men belonging to that wretched band fired their guns one after the other (and in their flashes) Jaimal, and those accompanying him could be seen (from afar). As for the last three days and nights we have been present there (battery of Qasim Khan) often firing with muskets and arrows and since it was destined for Jaimal that he should hasten to the lowest parts of hell at our own Allah-worshipping hands, when he came in view the matchlock (tufang) we were holding, was ready as is said, "When Allah wills any-thing, He provides its means." No sooner he was seen and the gun discharged then the worthless infidel was struck in forehead and hearing the call, "where so ever you may be, death will overtake you, even though you were in lofty towers,"144 proceeded to the abode of perdition. This caused great consternation among the high and low of that cattle-like community. (Subsequently) the other chiefs continued to resist but they could not repulse the brave from the openings. At the dawn, the excellent archers whose skill is such that they could pierce the eye of an ant at dark night and the lancers who could pick up the crumbs of the breach from the ground, putting the elephants in front delivered another assault. (They) forced their entry into the fort through sheer bravery and prowess and started discharging arrows and fighting with lances.

'The hand of destiny had covered the deceitful eyes of that erroneous, arrogant and scanty host with the nocturnal blindness of ill-luck "And they thought that there would be no affliction and so they became blind and deaf"145 and had blocked upon them the way of success and escape in accordance with "They could neither go forward nor turn back."146The people of Islam were busy praying: "Our lord! bestow on us endurance, make our foothold sure, and give us help against the disbelieving folk,"147 and the refreshing message - "Help from Allah and present Victory. Give good tidings to believers"148 - was coming to them from heaven. They advanced in groups against the wicked unbelievers to get hold of the opening. (They) stood in the foremost rank without flinching and got an upper hand. They felled them (the Rajputs) one upon the other with the strokes of (their) blood-thirsty sword, leaving all around heaps of the slain. Pursuing the remnant who were fleeing in different directions – "As they were frightened asses, fleeing from the lion"149 - despatched them to the lowest part of the hell - when the star of success and good fortune rose from the horizon of the sublime message, "Victory comes only by the help of Allah, the Mighty, the Wise"150 the whole victorious troop entered the fort. In accordance with the imperative Command "And kill the idolators all together,"151 those defiant ones who were still offering resistance having formed themselves into knots of two to three hundred persons, were put to death and their women and children taken prisoners. According to the promise, "Allah promised you many acquisitions which you will take,"152 immense booty and spoils in cash and kind were acquired. "So the roots of the people who were unjust were cut off, and all praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the worlds."153

'The receptacle of nobility, the support of kingdom, the pillar of the mighty state, the prop of the magnificent empire, the confidant of the resplendent Khilafat, the foremost among the great Khans of the age, the climber of the ladder of authority and dignity, the devoted and sincere and the well-wishing one, the intrepid cavalier, the adorner of the ranks in the field of valour and bravery, Mubarizuddin Mir Mohammad Khan Bahadur, and the receptacle of nobility, the support of kingdom, the pillar of the mighty state, the prop of the magnificent empire, the best among the sinceres of the age, worthy of confidence and favour, the rider of the field of battle and valour, Qutbuddin Mohammad Khan Bahadur and the rest of the great Khans and noble Sultans alongwith the Saiyids, Ulama, Mashaikh, the Ghazis of Shariat and other dignitaries, residents, inhabitants, Chaudhris, Qanoongos, the ri'aya and peasants (muzari'an) of Sarkar Punjab respectively, being jubilant at the happy tidings carried by this auspicious Fathnama, which is, in fact, a foretaste of the victories to follow, should offer infinite thanksgivings. They should also pray in the auspicious moments, when the prayers are more likely to be granted, for the long life of our noble self, the perpetuity of the empire and for the grant of greater competence to us for fulfilling obligation of Jihad, divine worship and acts of piety. Further they should continuously be expecting that day after day doors of fresh victories and successes will be opened before us.

'Whereas after the management of the affairs of Chitor we have turned the reins of our determination towards the capital Agra,

The horse beneath the thigh and overhead canopy of victory, The victory and success keeping company and divine help guiding the way.

'Allah willing within these few day we will reach the seat of the Khilafat. The pillar of the state knowing that our thoughts are directed towards the management of his affairs and the fulfilment of the hopes and aspirations of all the well-wishers may send regular reports about the development (in his region). Any request that he might like to make should be communicated (to the court) so that it may be granted. Written by the royal order (to be obeyed permanently) at Ajmer on 10th of the month of Ramzan 975 A.H., 9 March 1568."
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That concludes Akbar the Great emperor ensuring a massacre of 25,000 civilians trapped inside a fort that he had already won.
Habitual of measuring his success by weighing the Janeu (sacred thread) collected from the fallen soldiers and civilians, Akbar's latest success in Chittor (as Abu Fazl records) amounted to seventy four and half manns (a unit of weight in India equalling 40 kg) by weight. To eternalize the memory of this deed the number 74.5 is accursed and marked on a banker's letter in Rajasthan it is the strongest of seals, for "the sin of the sack of Chittor" is invoked on him who violates a letter under the safeguard of this mysterious number.

2. Rodolfo Acquaviva, Jesuit ambassador to Akbar's court writes that Akbar would sometimes drink so much that he would fall asleep talking to guests. He used to drink Taadi sometimes and Post other times. At times he used to behaving almost insanely when drunk beyond limit. (Akbar gave a Russian family to this Jesuit as parting gift, indicating that he kept slaves of multiple nationalities.)

Abu Fazl narrates a party's incident where a drunk Akbar had almost killed himself trying a trick with his sword, if Man Singh hadn't saved him :
"Akbar, to the horror of those present, prepared to hurl himself on the blade of his sword, which he had fixed to the wall. Man Singh kicked it anyway in the nick of time and in so doing cut the emperor's hand. Akbar in a rage knocked his rescuer down and only with difficulty was prevented (by Saiyad Muzaffar) from strangling him."

3. Abu Fazl describes Akbar's harem as having 5,000 women, apart from 36 wives. Other than this harem, there were other jewels :
"Close to home of Shahanshah Akbar, a bar has been set up. So many prostitutes aggregated there that it became difficult to keep a count. Courtiers used to take the dancers home. But if someone wanted to take home a virgin, he had to take permission from Akbar. Sometimes violence would happen among youth. Once Akbar himself called several prostitutes and asked who broke their virginity."

One might want to ponder on who these women were, since muslim women were supposed to be behind the veil.

Anyway, further on the rules of enjoyment Abu Fazl writes in Akbarnama :
"Whenever a Beghum, or wives of courtiers or virgins wanted to be enjoyed, they were supposed to send an application to Harem in-charge. Then their application would reach the palace authorities. After that they were allowed to enter and stay in Harem for up to even one month."
The first condition in treaty of Ranathambhor was that Rajputs should dispatch Dolis of women to Royal Harem

4. After killing Hemu, his head was sent to Kabul and the head less body was hanged at the gate of Delhi to display the Emperor's kindness. Akbar had a pillar of cut heads raised to celebrate this victory at Delhi.

5. Akbar's ways of punishment/killing were equally innovative :
Muhammad Mirak was executed after an ordeal of 5 days. In these 5 days an elephant would keep picking up Mirak in his trunk and throw him away ... again and again.
Humzaban's tongue was cut-off.
Muzaffar Shah was trampled by an elephant.
Masud Hussain Mirza's eyes were sewed close.
Mirza's 300 supporters were brought in front of him after putting hides of donkeys, sheep and dogs over their faces and then butchered.

6. On 2nd September, 1573, the pious Emepror again had a pillar of more than 2000 cut-heads erected in Ahmedabad.

7. After defeating Dawud Khan of Bengal, 8 tall pillars of cut heads were raised. When Dawud Khan in dying stage asked for water, he was given water in shoes.

8. During his visit at Thaneshwar, a dispute was brought to the Emeperor's notice. It was for ownership of the place of worship between two sects Kuru and Puri. Akbar ordered that they should fight and the victorious shall have the claim.
Men of both sects fought with weapons to kill each other. When one group starts dominating, Akbar would order his soldiers to join ranks with the other. Eventually both the groups were killed to the last man. Akbar then had a great laugh.

9. According to Todd after winning Chittor, secular Akbar had the idol of Ekalinga Temple destroyed and put a platform to offer Namaz.

10. One day the kind Emperor woke from his sleep in afternoon and found a guard sleeping near his bed. For such heinous crime, he had the guard thrown away from top of a tower.

11. The man was obsessed with the idea of having himself proclaimed as a prophet. By rule all his Kafir courtiers had to drink the water used to clean his feet (holy Charnamrit to say so). That he thought of himself as larger than life, is clear from his Din-e-Ilahi religion.

12. There is no evidence of any abolishment of Jiziya by Akbar, with one exception of Ranthambhore; from where he got women for his harem as part of a treaty.
Other than this, only few stray incidents of minor concessions in Jiziya exist.

13. Kandahar, Akbar had converted a large number of people into slaves because they opposed some new policies in 1581-82.
Later horses were bought by selling these slaves.

There it is. Akbar the Great, so much better than other Kings.

Regards,
Virendra
Well sir nothing to disagree after all he was a king.
He was some of the few muslim/mughal kings to be better than others.
Somethings i would like to mention he did better too, u can see or name any muslim ruler who tried to do same in india?

He gave lands to sikhs for golden temple and his next rulers were bitter enemy of sikhs.
He is known to have langars as an equal and its written and is known as one of few mughals known to praised for this deeds.
He was known to be lesser cruel than other muslim rulers on non muslim subjects
and yes its known that most of rajputs kingdoms were exempted from jiziya or non muslim tax, that was new or first for people under a muslim king
i don't know where u got that but in punjab he is praised for this reason and Aurangzeb is cursed because he reversed that law, so law of akar on this was maintained till shah jahan. jahangir is known to be more harsh, even though he had hindu mother. in his earlier time he was in better terms with sikhs too bit it worsened later, its written in books not the history books, but in history of punjab and even mentioned in stories of gurus.
As per folk tale he is known to have donated golden dome in vaishno devi and it got black becoz of his ego, its just a folk tale though.
Nearly all of Rajput chiefs had entered into the vassalage of the Mughals. like Pratap's own brothers, Shakti Singh and Sagar Singh, served Akbar and Raja Man Singh of Amber (Maharaja of Jaipur) served as army commanders in Akbar's armies and as members of his council. he was one of the first and very few muslim kings to do so.

Man sing was one who is known to have introduced a lot of reforms in india.

I can let u know a lot of folk tales in various parts which is known to have praised akbar one can believe them or not.
right now only written book is that his biography, which can be biased.:laugh:

More over all indian kings or most are womanizers and were known to have a lot of wives etc same goes to even rajput kings too, thats not strange, i never mentioned any king as great i just gave a list of kings whom i free have been better than others. that's it, can u name any better king who ruled over most of india and were better than them?
please share list it will be great

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Its all Product of our So Called Secular Education System. Warped History, Never Told the true Stories, never Glorofied Our true Leaders. And in fact our Family system too. They believe in Protecting their young Ones and wanting a Safe Life for them. They never tell you the truth.

The Result is a generation with no sense of Truth, distorted thinking, distorted upbringing. But it all abodes well with the British, The Mughals who time and again looted and Plundered us.They might be thinking we assaulted these Indians but now they are worshipping Us, emulating Us..
Sir, our education is better than many so pls stop crying, we never patronize british rule or even mughal rule.
For me king whether muslim or hindu can never be a good option, he never considers people first.
Democracy is only better option for people representation., some may say comunists too but only if the leader is better one, democracy gives u options.

For me Nationalism and humanity are main criteria for judging a leader or a person.
anyone who brings religion/caste/state etc infront f india's interest will never be on my list.

Kings r rulers who rule for themselves and should not be considered in that list.
Some kings can be better than others but not true representation of india, they were always biased in some way. We cannot cry on past but only learn from, be one whether hindu/muslim/sikh etc if we r indian by heart than we will avoid mistakes that lead to british or even mughal rule.
 

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There were many kings whom people used to respect cause they used to care for their citizens
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shivaji was called as rayatecha raja meaning king of people( who works for welfare of people). Same with his son sambhaji.
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I have read a story about how a man died but have food to maharaja pratap breaking surrounding of mongol forces
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do you ever heard of rajarshri Shahu maharaj and how he based for minorities. Do you know sayaji rao gaikwad? He was the one who funded studies of ambedkar and ambedkar later got support from shahu maharaj.
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there were many great kings who worked for people @SilentKiller
 
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Well he was betrayed by jaychand ,the king of kanauj. check it too.
Betrayed in what sense? Jai Chand was not the right hand or trusted ally of PrithviRaj Chauhan at any point of time, that the argument of betrayal would arise.
At the time when PRC was clashing swords with Ghori, Jai Chand Gadhavala was fighting Lakshmana Sena hundreds of miles away in Vihara. No connection.
One cannot deny the general apathy or jealousy any two Kingdoms would have at that time for each other. But since Kannauj and Ajmer Kingdoms did not even share a common border, the two rulers never even fought a battle that bitter enmity would happen.

All such bed time stories of Sanyogita-PRC falling love, cruel daddy Jai Chand going against it and the two loevers eloping together have sprung out of PrithviRaj Raso, a text that cannot be relied upon for history, for too many reasons.

and its known that over 150 rajput rulers/chiefs came together to fight muslim invaders.
In Tarain-II ? I really doubt that. PRC's cavalry has outnumbered by that of Ghori 1 : 5 . There's no way a contribution of 150 rulers would still leave him with that skewed a ratio.

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Well sir nothing to disagree after all he was a king.
He was some of the few muslim/mughal kings to be better than others.
:facepalm: After all the points that I gave to refute the same ... :cry:

Somethings i would like to mention he did better too, u can see or name any muslim ruler who tried to do same in india?
He gave lands to sikhs for golden temple and his next rulers were bitter enemy of sikhs.
At his time, Sikhs were not a threat to his empire politically or even religiously. I don't see how the Emperor of India could be called benign or better than other because he let lose a piece of land to the locals. If you still want to call him 5 % better than his descendents, so be it.

He is known to have langars as an equal and its written and is known as one of few mughals known to praised for this deeds.
Again a bit incomprehensible. I'm tried of the langars by the way.

He was known to be lesser cruel than other muslim rulers on non muslim subjects
I've already written plenty (with due references) on why he was as cruel as anyone else in his lineage. Don't want to go all over it again.

and yes its known that most of rajputs kingdoms were exempted from jiziya or non muslim tax, that was new or first for people under a muslim king
False again. The only Rajput Kingdom completely exempted of Jaziya was Ranthambhore (in return of women for royal harem).
There is no evidence to show the abolishment anywhere else. One explanation could be that, due to the constraints of having to work with many Hindu allies, Akbar found himself hamstrung in imposing Jaziya throughout his dominion in the 1st place. So the question of abolishing the same across the entire country doesn't even stand.

i don't know where u got that but in punjab he is praised for this reason and Aurangzeb is cursed because he reversed that law,
Like I said, I haven't come across primary evidence that suggest complete abolishment. He may have toggled it on and off with conditional basis for some cases.

Nearly all of Rajput chiefs had entered into the vassalage of the Mughals. like Pratap's own brothers, Shakti Singh and Sagar Singh, served Akbar and Raja Man Singh of Amber (Maharaja of Jaipur) served as army commanders in Akbar's armies and as members of his council. he was one of the first and very few muslim kings to do so.
He did it out of need, not in being some benign King. He was THE person in his lineage to have established an Empire of Mughals in India. His descendents only enjoyed and added to what they got from him. His ancestors only gave him a regional power status with writ running best into Delh-Agra zone only. It has HIM who made the Empire.
So how did he do it? He played smarter than others in his lineage. His decision to ally with Rajputs was not out of some secular creedential but need of the hour where he required loyal, strong native allies who would act as his arm.
Someone who wouldn't be co-religionists or family to easily rebel and backstab him. Someone he can keep to balance his Muslim power base against and vice versa.

More over all indian kings or most are womanizers and were known to have a lot of wives etc
That is bizarre logic. Is Polygamy and womanizing the same thing for you?
Regardless, onus on you to present proof that most Indian Kings were womanizers.

same goes to even rajput kings too, thats not strange, i never mentioned any king as great i just gave a list of kings whom i free have been better than others. that's it, can u name any better king who ruled over most of india and were better than them?
ChandraGupta Maurya, Ashoka, Harshavardhana. That is when I filter on territory.
But a better King for me is not the one who holds more territory, rather he who caters to his Raj Dharma and whose people are in peace, prosperity (I mean people here, not the State coffers).

Regards,
Virendra
 

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Our Average Education system is based on Western Philosophies. We have been Taught Democracy but have we been educated on Artha Shastra by Economy, We have been taught Western Maths but have we been taught about Vedic Maths which is the Baap of Western Maths.

We have been taught about Cricket Football but have we been taught about Kushti, Archery, Horse Riding and many more War Related Concepts.

And Just Shut the Hell Up if you dont have any Solid Points. DOnt quote me if You do not have.


Sir, our education is better than many so pls stop crying, we never patronize british rule or even mughal rule.
For me king whether muslim or hindu can never be a good option, he never considers people first.
Democracy is only better option for people representation., some may say comunists too but only if the leader is better one, democracy gives u options.

For me Nationalism and humanity are main criteria for judging a leader or a person.
anyone who brings religion/caste/state etc infront f india's interest will never be on my list.

Kings r rulers who rule for themselves and should not be considered in that list.
Some kings can be better than others but not true representation of india, they were always biased in some way. We cannot cry on past but only learn from, be one whether hindu/muslim/sikh etc if we r indian by heart than we will avoid mistakes that lead to british or even mughal rule.
 

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@Ajesh ....... Arthashastra written by Chanakya is very basic of economic. Today economics is much different than what he wrote.
it was mainly about military, politics
though indian mathematics was basic but todays mathematics is much more advanced
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@abhi_the _gr8_maratha, I mean Vedic Mathematics, The Ancient Sages did Fractal Geometry and Complex Integrations in seconds.

And for any Complex thing to achieve you need the basics to be Correct.
 
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Brother, i myself am a mallu, The killlings were more of a result of invasion and it used to happen in cases of Hindu kings invading others too, take the case of Pandiya's-Chola's, Maurya-Kalinga and so on, the plundering of temples were more of a local commander level happenings, and again not just restricted to Tipu, many hindu kings the past have looted temples and even taken away the Deity to there own land, such happenings are filled throughout the History of our nation across regions, you don't have to paint it with a religious color that's what i ment, as this case is totally different from the case of Arab, Turkish and Afghan invaders, Tipu and his father Hyder Ali were one of the few Indian muslim rulers who ruled over parts of our country.
Please don't judge things with prefixed notions, You must take into consideration various happenings and the political scenario of our country back then.
Te concept of a united union of India didn't even exist then.
Hyder Ali usurped the throne which rightfully belonged to the wodeyars of mysore, Wodeyars had an inclusive administration(for bettter or for worse) hence Ali climbed up the military ladder

Venad as a political entity didn't exist at the time of ALi and Tipu, as the King Marthanda Varma deposed the throne and declared the kingdom as the property of Lord Padmnabha, venad became Thiruvithamkoor (travancore after that)

Pazhassi Raja is not a member of venad royal family, he is a prince of the Kottayam kingdom, yes he fought against the british, but the Muslim hordes of Mysore did more to his people than the british
he is remembered here not just for BTFOing the British, but also BTFOing the Mysorean hordes
 

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