Tipu Sultan and The Hindu Ring

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Sure, my friend, and yes truth can't be hidden.
Hence if you will provide me with non-colonial power references and those that weren't written keeping the colonial masters in mind and in a process to assist there objectives, i will accept my mistake and humbly change my opinion.
Though i have these points that am listing down which makes me think otherwise.
1. If Tipu was responsible for forcible conversions, why not mysore and large parts of his land not dominated by muslims, in fact Hindu's are found extensively and in way larger numbers than muslims.
2. Top commanders of Tipu and Hyder Ali were Hindu.
3. If Tipu was soo cruel and brutally murdered hundreds of Keralities, why would Palazhi Raja a self righteous and courageous King, who himself belongs to Nair clan, accept his assistance.
4. Why is it that Temples of more than 500 years old, still exist in regions that were Tipu's stronghold.

There are many more counters, but these many i believe are sufficient to shed some light on the truth.
Moreover, brother, your statement about killings of native, as i have said before, such happenings weren't just restricted to Tipu, kings before and after him have engaged in expansionist ways.
What about the brutality Chola's committed on Chera's( giving you these examples to be able to relate to Kerala).

Anyways keep sharing your views man.
Here are the facts published from malabar Manual, Orignally written by a Brit , William Logan, and then later edited by Dr. C.K. Kareem, a Muslim Himself.

"Tipu's soldiers daily exposed the heads of many innocent Brahmins within sight from the fort for Zamorin and his Hindu followers to see. It is asserted that the Zamorin rather than witness such enormities and to avoid further killing of innocent Brahmins, chose to abandon the Palghat Fort" (p. 500).

As he proceeded with his Islamic wars against the Hindu population in Kerala, Tipu Sultan committed many more brutalities. The Rajas were unable to resist. But they did not like to be mute witnesses to brutalities perpetrated by the Muslim army of Tipu. As a consequence, the Kadathanad and Kottayam Rajas sent requests to the English Company at Tellicherry for protection, stating that "they could no longer trust Tipu Sultan and beseeching the Company to take the Brahmins, the poor and the whole kingdom under their protections" (p. 507).

But the British did not render any help to the Hindu Rajas. Tipu's brutalities were against all sections - Brahmins, Nairs and Thiyyas of Hindu community, not excluding even women and children. Even Christians were not spared.

"It was not only against the Brahmins who were thus put in a state of terror of forcible circumcision and conversion; but against all sections of Hindus. In August, 1788, a Raja of the Kshatriya family of Parappanad and also Trichera Thiruppad, a chieftain of Nilamboor, and many other Hindu nobles who had been carried away earlier to Coimbatore by Tipu Sultan, were forcibly circumcised and forced to cat beef. Nairs in desperation, under the circumstances, rose up against their Muslim oppressors under Tipu's command in South Malabar and the Hindus of Coorg in the North also joined them (p. 507).

"The revolt in the South Malabar was led by Ravi Varma of the Zamorin family. Though Tipu conferred on him a jaghire (vast are of tax-free land) mainly to appease him, the Zamorin prince, after promptly taking charge of the jaghire, continued his revolt against the Mysore power, more vigorously and with wider support. He soon moved to Calicut, his traditional area of influence and authority, for better co-ordination. Tipu sent a large Mysore army under the command of M. Lally and Mir Asrali Khan to chase and drive out the Zamorin prince from Calicut. However, during the above operations, Ravi Varma assisted not less than 30,000 Brahmins to flee the country and take refuge in Travancore" (p. 508).

It may be pointed out here that almost all female members and many male members of different royal families such as Chirackal, Parappanad, and Calicut, and chieftains' families like Punnathoor, Nilamboor, Kavalapara, Azhvancherry Thamprakkal etc., fled to Travancore to escape the brutalities of Tipu's army and temporarily settled down in different parts of Travancore. Even after the fall of Tipu Sultan's regime in Srirangapatanam, many of these families, wholly or partly, preferred to stay back in Travancore because of the Mappilas' atrocities in the past.

The continued resistance and revolt by the Nairs and other chieftains enraged Tipu Sultan who gave strict orders to his army under M. Lally and Mir Asrali Khan to "surround and extricate the whole race of Nairs from Kottayam to Palghat" (p. 508). After entrusting Calicut to a powerful army contingent, he instructed it "to surround the woods and seize the heads of all Nair factions". He then proceeded to North Malabar to suppress the spreading revolt under Kadathanad and Pazhassi Rajas. Prior to this, Tipu had sent a formal request to the English Company at Tellicherry asking them "not to give protection and shelter to Nairs fleeing from South Malabar" (p. 509). A similar letter had been sent to the English Company in Tellicherry by Hyder Ali Khan in 1764 before he launched his Malabar invasion (Kerala History by A.S. Sreedhara Menon, p. 372). These letters clearly show that neither Hyder Ali nor Tipu was at war with the British.

It was at Kuttipuram, the headquarters of the Kadathanad Rajas, that the huge army of Tipu Sultan with a large number of field-guns surrounded an old fort defended by a small contingent of Nairs. After several days of resistance, and finding it difficult to defend the fort any longer, the Nairs submitted to the usual terms of surrender - "a voluntary profession of the Mohammadan faith or a forced conversion with deportation from the native land"¦ In short, either way they had to embrace Mohammadan faith!"¦ The unhappy Nair captives gave a forced consent and on the next day, the Islamic initiation rite of circumcision was performed on all male members, closing the ceremony after every individual of both sexes was forced to eat beef"(p. 510).

If this was not an Islamic war, what else was it? Do forcible circumcision and feeding of beef form any part of normal wars of territorial aggression? The War that Tipu Sultan waged in Kerala, was a cruel Islamic war against the Hindu population, mainly for conversion of Hindus by force. Yet there are degenerate Hindus in Kerala who admire Tipu Sultan as a hero!

The doings of Tipu Sultan were held out as an example which other detachments of the Mysore army followed. An original order sent to various army contingents by Tipu was found among the records from Palghat Fort, after its capture by the English Company in 1790. It has been reproduced as a footnote on page 510 of the Malabar Manual: "It directed (all military detachments) that every being in the district should be honoured with Islam, that they should be traced to their hiding places, and that all means, truth or falsehood, fraud or force, should be employed to effect their universal conversion to Islam."

While escaping from Tipu's army, one of the princes of the Chirackal Royal family in North Malabar was captured and killed in an encounter after a chase of few days. As per the accounts of Tipu's own diary and as confirmed by the English Company records, the body of the unfortunate prince was treated with great indignities by Tipu Sultan. "He had the dead body of the prince dragged by elephants through his camp and it was subsequently hung up on a tree along with seventeen of his followers who had been captured alive" (p. 512). Another chieftain, Korangoth Nair, who had resisted Tipu, was finally captured with the help of the French and hanged.

Such was the treatment meted out to Hindu nobles, chieftains and their followers by Tipu Sultan of Islamic faith. He was no different from other Muslim tyrants who had played havoc in North India such as Mahmud Ghaznavi, Nadir Shah, Timur, Aurangzeb and Kala Pahar of Bengal.

After solemnising the marriage2 between the daughter of Arackal Bibi and his son, Abdul Khalic, and conferring a portion of the Chirackal principality on her, Tipu Sultan proceeded to the South to subjugate Travancore and convert more Hindus to Islam. The persuasions and threats he delivered to the Zamorin and the Cochin Raja to wage wars against Travancore, either directly or on his behalf, did not succeed because Tipu was regarded by all Hindu Rajas and nobles as a fanatic Muslim. The Cochin Raja, though a tributary to Mysore, avoided meeting Tipu, fearing forcible conversion when invited for a special meeting. At the same time, he continued to send his tribute to Tipu as usual while secretly assisting Travancore to build and strengthen the long defence line (Nedunkotta Fort) through Cochin territory against the Mysore army (p. 516).

The Travancore Raja replied to Tipu explaining that he did what he did as per the advice of the British (p. 517). That provoked Tipu. He launched an attack against Travancore but was defeated in January, 1790. According to Mr. Powney who was the Resident Representative of the English Company in Travancore, Tipu's attack was not only effectively stopped by the Travancore army, Tipu himself fell down from the rampart, was seriously wounded, and was rendered permanently lame during the counter-attack by the Travancore forces.

Tipu and his army were camping on the banks of the Alwaye river before launching the attack on the Travancore defence lines (Nedunkotta Fort). The Travancore army was no match for the huge Mysore army and the monsoon season was four or five months away. Therefore, under the guidance of Raja Kesavadas, the Prime Minister of Travancore, a temporary bund was constructed way up on the stream by a team headed by Kalikutty Nair. When the Mysore army launched its assault and Nedunkotta was penetrated, the temporary bund was breached in the midst of heavy fighting, causing an unexpected flood which drowned many Mysore soldiers and rendered the gunpowder wet and useless. The result was panic and confusion in the Mysore army. The triumphant Nair forces of Travancore inflicted heavy casualties on the- invading army. But the valiant Kalikutty Nair was also drowned in the sudden surge of water and became a martyr.

That was the first time, January 1, 1790, when Tipu Sultan tasted a humiliating defeat. It is recorded in Travancore history and also confirmed by the local folklore that as the wounded Tipu was lying unconscious in the battlefield he was rescued by a Nair soldier who quietly carried the unconscious Sultan to the Mysore military camp during the night and left quickly (p. 518). The brave Nair soldier could have easily killed the unconscious Tipu as many Muslims have done to a Hindu in similar circumstances; but his Hindu values of life prompted him to deposit the helpless victim near the Muslim camp.

According to authentic historical records, the Nair forces of Travancore attacked the Mysore army which was crossing the defence fortification, and inflicted heavy casualties on it. The sudden and unexpected attack made the Mysore Army panicky, and in the confusion Tipu Sultan fell down from the ramparts of the fort into the ditch below along with his palanquin. The fall made him permanently lame. Later on, the Travancore forces recovered from the ditch the sword, the pallanquin, the dagger, the ring and many other personal effects of Tipu and presented them to the Dharma Raja. Some of Tipu's personal weapons and ornaments were sent to the Nawab of Arcot on his request (Travancore History by P. Sankunny Menon, published by Kerala Bhasha Institute, Trivandrum, pp. 191-92).

During the notorious Padayottakkalam from 1783 to 1792, Tipu Sultan had committed a variety of atrocities against the Hindus and Christians in Kerala. Some of them as narrated by the Christian victims are vividly described by the famous traveller and historian, Fra Bartolomaco, in his well-known book, Voyage to East India. Following is the verbatim description of the atrocities by a Christian victim as given in the book:

"First a corps of 30,000 barbarians who butchered everybody on the way, followed by the Field-Gun Unit under the French Commander, M. Lally. Tipu Sultan was riding on an elephant behind which another army of 30,000 soldiers followed. Most of the men and women were hanged in Calicut. First mothers were hanged with children tied to the necks of their mothers. That barbarian Tipu Sultan tied the naked Christians and Hindus to the legs of elephants and made the elephants move about till the bodies of the helpless victims were tom to pieces. Temples and Churches were ordered to be burnt, desecrated and destroyed. Christian and Hindu women were forced to marry Muhammadans and similarly their men were forced to marry Muhammadan women. Those Christians who refused to be 'honoured' with Islam, were ordered to be killed by hanging then and there. The above version of the atrocities was obtained from the sorrowful narration by the victims who escaped from Tipu's army and reached Varapuzha (near Alwaye) which is the centre of Carmichael Christian Mission. I myself helped many victims to cross the Varapuzha river by boats" (Cited in Cochin History by K.P. Padmanabha Menon, p. 573).





Other Books are Tipu Sultan- The Tyrant of Mysore (History)
- Sandeep Balakrishna (Author), Shatavadhani Dr.R.Ganesh (Foreword)


"Dr Pande came upon the truth about Tipu Sultan in 1928 while verifying a contention — made in a history textbook authored by Dr Har Prashad Shastri, the then head of the Sanskrit Department in Calcutta University — that during Tipu's rule 3,000 Brahmins had committed suicide to escape conversion to Islam.



TIPU'S FANATICISM

It would be very relevant to reproduce here some of the letters which, Tipu Sultan had sent to his army commanders in different parts of Kerala and outside. Following are from the research articles published by Sardar K.M. Panicker in the Bhasha Poshini magazine of Chingam 1099 of the Malayalam Era corresponding to August, 1923. They were obtained by him from The India Office Library in London during his intensive research regarding Kerala history. Tipu's real character is revealed here.

1. Letter dated March 22, 1788, to Abdul Kadir: "Over 12,000 Hindus were 'honoured' with Islam. There were many Namboodiris (Brahmins) among them. This achievement should be widely publicised among the Hindus. There the local Hindus should be brought before you and then converted to Islam. No Namboodiri (Brahmin) should be spared. Also they should be confined there till the dress materials sent for them, reach you."

2. Letter dated December 14, 1788, to his Army Chief in Calicut: "I am sending two of my followers with Mir Hussain Ali. With their assistance, you should capture and kill all Hindus. Those below 20 may be kept in prison and 5,000 from the rest should be killed by hanging from the tree-tops. These are my orders."

3. Letter dated December 21, 1788, to Sheik Kutub: "242 Nairs are being sent as prisoners. Categorise them according to their social and family status. After honouring them with Islam, sufficient dress materials may be given to the men and their women."

4. Letter dated January 18, 1790, to Syed Abdul Dulai: "With the grace of Prophet Muhammed and Allah, almost all Hindus in Calicut are converted to Islam. Only a few are still not converted on the borders of Cochin State. I am determined to convert them also very soon. I consider this as Jehad to achieve that object."

5. Letter dated January 19, 1790, to Badroos Saman Khan: "Don't you know that I have achieved a great victory recently in Malabar and over 4 lakh Hindus were converted to Islam. I am now determined to march against that 'Cursed Raman Nair' without delay. (Reference is to Rama Varma Raja of Travancore State who was popularly known as Dharma Raja for giving shelter in his state to all those who fled Malabar.)

Thinking that he and his subjects would be soon converted to Islam, I am overjoyed and hence abandoned the idea of returning to Srirangapatanam."

The last two letters quoted above were written after the first major defeat of Tipu Sultan near Alwaye on January 1, 1790. All these letters clearly betray the real character of Tipu Sultan whom a Kerala Muslim historian, Dr. C.K. Kareem, describes as of 'Sufi' traditions! If this is Sufism, what about Koranic Islam?
 

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I know you would point out first that dont give me a reference by a Brit. But there are many references other than the Brit

One Muslim Reference, The Other is Tipu Sultan- The Tyrant of Mysore (History) [Kindle Edition]
Sandeep Balakrishna (Author), Shatavadhani Dr.R.Ganesh (Foreword)

Sardar K.M. Panicker,

Dr Har Prashad Shastri

And there are countless other sources by Non British Sources
 

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The Mysore Gazetteer says that the ravaging army of Tipu Sultan had destroyed more than 8000 temples in South India. The temples of Malabar and Cochin principalities had to bear the brunt of plunder and destruction. The History of Cochin by K.P. Padmanabha Menon and History of Kerala by A. Sreedhara Menon narrate some of them:

"In the month of Chingam 952, Malayalam Era (corresponding to August, 1786) Tipu's Army destroyed idols of the famous Perumanam Temple and desecrated all the temples between Trichur and Karuvannur river.

"Irinjalakuda and Thiruvanchikulam temples were also defiled and damaged by Tipu's Army."

Some of the other famous temples looted and desecrated were as follows: Triprangot, Thrichembaram, Thirunavaya, Thiruvannoor, Calicut Thali, Hemambika Temple, the Jain Temple in Palghat, Mammiyur, Parambatali, Venkitangu, Pemmayanadu, Tiruvanjikulam, Terumanam, Vadakhumnnathan Temple of Trichur, Belur Siva Temple, Shri Veliyanattukava, Varakkal, Puthu, Govindapuram, Keraladhiswara, Trikkandiyur, Sukapuram, Maranehei Temple of Aaalvancheiri Tambrakkal, Vengara Temple of Aranadu, Tikulam, Ramanathakra, Azhinjalam Indiannur, Mannur Narayan Kanniar and Vadukunda Siva Temple of Madai.

The Trikkavu Temple of Ponnani was converted into Military Garrison. The Christian Pilgrimage centre of Palayur Church and Varapuzha Church and Mission buildings were among the several churches destroyed by the ravaging army of Tipu.

In the case of Triprayar Temple, the main deity was shifted temporarily to Gnanappilly Mana situated in a remote village, and in the case of Guruvayoor Temple, the idol was shifted to Ambalapuzha Sri Krishna Temple in Travancore State before the barbarian army of Tipu Sultan reached there. However, both of them were brought back and ceremoniously installed after the withdrawal of Tipu from Malabar towards the end of 1790. The Guruvayoor Temple was destroyed only partly because of the pleadings by Hydrose Kutty who was a favourite of Hyder Ali Khan besides being a devotee of Lord Krishna before his conversion. The damage that can be seen even today on the installed presiding deity of Triprayar Temple is believed to have been caused by Tipu Sultan's army.

According to certain personal diary notes of Tipu Sultan, the Chirackal Raja offered to pay over Rs. 4 lakh in gold and silver to save the destruction of the local Hindu temples by Tipu's army. But, true to his character, Tipu replied that "even if the entire world is offered to me, I will not desist from destroying Hindu temples" (Freedom Struggle by Sardar Panicker). It was the reply of a typical
Islamic ruler!

The widespread atrocities committed by the Islamic tyrant and his equally cruel army of Muslim converts in Kerala, can be understood only from the authentic records available from various sources. According to them, about half the Hindu population of Kerala fled the country to the forests or Tellicherry and Travancore State. They included most of the Hindu Rajas and chieftains who could not stand upto the mighty army of barbarians and the powerful field-guns of the French. Important royal families which migrated to Travancore State were those of Chirackal, Parappanad, Ballussery, Kurumbranad, Kadathanad, Palghat and Calicut. The chieftain families which did the same were those of Punnathur, Kavalappara, Azhvancherry Thamprakkal, etc. Even the Cochin royal family moved to Vaikkom Palace near the famous Shiva Temple when Tipu's army reached Alwaye.

Many members of the royal families of Malabar who migrated to Travancore State preferred to stay back even after the withdrawal of Tipu's army and restoration of peace, because of their nightmarish experience and the peculiar psyche of the forcibly converted Muslim population in Malabar. The prominent royal families were (1) Neerazhi Kovilakam, (2) Gramathil Kottaram, (3) Paliyakkara, (4) Nedumparampu, (5) Chempra Madham, (6) Ananthapuram Kottaram, (7) Ezhimatoor Palace, (8) Aranmula Kottaram, (9) Varanathu Kovilakam, (10) Mavelikkara, (11) Ennakkadu, (12) Murikkoyikkal Palace, (13) Mariappilly, (14) Koratti Swaroopam, (15) Kaippuzha Kovilakam, (16) Lakshmipuram Palace, and (17) Kottapuram. The secularist admirers of Tipu Sultan have not even heard about the records available from these Malabar families.

The nightmarish results of Tipu's invasion of Kerala have been aptly described by the former editor of Gazetteer of Kerala and the renowned historian A. Sreedhara Menon. They state as follows:


ISLAMIC WARS

"Hindus3, especially Nairs and chieftains who resisted Islamic cruelties, were the main targets of Tipu's anger. Hundreds of Nair women and children were abducted to Sreerangapatanam or sold as slaves to the Dutch. Nairs were hunted down and killed and also deprived of all traditional and social privileges. Thousands of Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Nairs and other respected classes of Hindus were forcibly converted to Islam or driven out of their traditional ancestral homes. Thousands sought refuge in Travancore State while hundreds fled to forests and hills to escape Tipu's atrocities which had completely shaken their sense of security."

"The new phase of Mysore administration in Kerala resulted in unending wars. Extreme cruelties of the invading army had badly affected every section of the society, leading to the mass exodus of people from Malabar."

"Many Hindu temples, royal houses and chieftain families were destroyed and plundered. The exodus of Brahmins and Kshatriyas who were the patrons and custodians of traditional arts and culture, resulted in stagnation in the cultural field also."


ECONOMIC COLLAPSE

"Many prosperous towns were destroyed while the local and foreign trade collapsed. Peasants who had to bear the brunt of army cruelties and coercive taxation policies, sought refuge in forests and mountains. In many areas, cultivation of pepper stopped resulting in the collapse of pepper trade. Consequent to the stoppage of foreign trade coupled with the precipitate fall in cultivation and local trade, economy of the country was also shattered; and major sections of the people were reduced to poverty. Thus every section of society was badly affected by the military regime of the mysore rulers."


HINDU-MUSLIM CONFLICTS

"Huge amount of wealth in the form of gold and silver accumulated through centuries of foreign trade, vanished from the country as a result of loot and plunder during the chaotic period of the military regime of Hyder Ali Khan and his son, Tipu Sultan. Another serious development which had long term bad effects was that Malabar Muslims joined hands with the ranks of cruel invading Mysore army and proved their loyalty to Islamic faith by committing various atrocities against Malabar Hindus. This earned them enmity of Hindus. To gain political advantage, they resorted to forcible conversion of Hindus to Islam and also widespread destruction and plunder of Hindu temples. The Mysore administration under the Muslim rulers had not only encouraged such cruelties against the Hindu population but also gave the local Muslim converts special privileges and tax exemptions, leading to serious cleavage and enmity for the first time, between the two communities, Hindus and Muslims, in Kerala."


MAPPILA OUTRAGES OF 1921

According to the widely respected Congressman and freedom-fighter, K. Madhavan Nair, "the notorious Mappila Lahala (Khilafat Riots) of 1921 in Malabar could be easily traced to the after-effects of widespread forcible conversions and cruelties committed by Tipu Sultan during the Padayottakkalam". Thus Tipu Sultan was considered and depicted by all the well-known historians from Kerala and elsewhere as an evil genius and Islamic tyrant, much worse than even the notorious Aurangzeb who beheaded Guru Teg Bahadur, destroyed thousands of Hindu temples including Vishwanath Temple at Kashi and Sri Krishna Temple at Mathura, and forcibly converted lakhs of Hindus in North India.


PROOFS OF ISLAMIC ATROCITIES

Tipu Sultan was like the notorious Kala Pahar - a renegade Brahmin convert from Bengal - who used to celebrate every time he killed or forcibly converted 10,000 Hindus. The darkest period in the history of Kerala was the period of Hyder Ali Khan and Tipu Sultan from 1766 to 1792 - socially, culturally and politically. Ruins of hundreds of Hindu temples destroyed by Tipu Sultan and his father Hyder Ali Khan are the standing witnesses to their brutalities in Kerala. One also finds a heavy concentration of Mappilas along the invasion routes of Tipu's army, including the places of its temporary occupation, as in Mangalore, Cannanoor, Ponnani, Kondotty, Malappuram, Calicut, Kodungallur, Chawakat, Alwaye, Coimbatore, and Dindigal. This is another proof of forcible circumcision and conversion of helpless Nairs, defenceless Thiyyas and poor Cherumans on a mass scale. Even today, the origin of many Kshatriya, Nair and Brahmin families settled in Travancore and Cochin can be traced back to their ancestral families in Malabar - yet another proof of the severity of Tipu's atrocities against Hindus during his Islamic wars in Kerala.


MOTIVATED RESEARCH

If Tipu Sultan had done any good deeds, there should have been some references to them in the authentic historical documents of that period. The admirers of Tipu Sultan have never cited any authentic references. They quote some observations and comments made by historians or political thinkers of North India, especially of Jawaharlal Nehru University, or Aligarh Muslim University, or some other Marxist school. They have never bothered to study the voluminous documents available in Kerala, Coorg and Karnataka. Their ignorance of South Indian history and traditions is no justification for glorifying a cruel and fanatic Islamic tyrant that was Tipu Sultan. He was a despicable character, an Islamic fiend, and a national villain in the eyes of the proud Malayalees and the valiant Coorgis.


TIPU - A CURSED NAME

If Tipu Sultan was a much-loved and respected Muslim ruler, as claimed by his present-day admirers, why is it that even Muslim do not name their children as Tipu, either in Mysore or in Malabar? Obviously, the name itself is a cursed name. Anyway, that is the belief in the entire West Coast and Mysore.


NATIONAL SCANDAL

If such a notorious character is presented on the official network of Doordarshan as preaching patriotism, nationalism, high principles of Hindu religion, and human welfare, that is not only a national scandal but also a provocation for the Hindu community throughout the country. It is better to bury deep and forget the repulsive memories of Tipu Sultan and save the South from communal conflicts. The Hindus of Kerala who were the victims of the Islamic atrocities of Tipu Sultan, do not want to be reminded of him, just as the Jews do not want to be reminded of Hitler, or the Romanians of Ceasesescu, or the Russians of Stalin.


DON'T FABRICATE HISTORY

Historical truth should not be allowed to be suppressed, or distorted, or falsified in order to project a national villain as a national hero. Today it is Tipu Sultan, tomorrow it will be Aurangzeb or Nadir Shah. If a renegade Indian glorifies the notorious Tipu Sultan today through a "historical novel", tomorrow the same or some other motivated authors will produce more and better "historical novels" extolling Mahmud Ghaznavi, Malik Kafur, Aurangzeb, and Nadir Shah for a tele-serial. As Dr. I.M. Muthanna says in his famous book, Tipu Sultan X-rayed, "such dubious and mischievous historians and novelists should be prosecuted through judicial commissions so that at least in future such blatant lies and invented stories will not be sold or published as history or historical novels". If in spite of the voluminous evidences to the contrary, the Doordarshan authorities agree to telecast anti-national and anti-Hindu serials on its official network, consequences will be terrible in the long run.


BURY THE SWORD

Every Hindu in Kerala knows that Tipu's slogan was "Sword" (death) or "Cap" (forcible conversion). The "Sword" symbolises death to Hindus. Thus the very title of the novel and the serial, "The Sword of Tipu Sultan", is offensive and provocative. No self-respecting Hindu will tolerate such an insult to his religion, culture and national pride.

There was only one Aurangzeb and one Nadir Shah. And also one Tipu Sultan! Project them to the local people as known from authentic historical records. Otherwise the very purpose for which the official media of Radio and Doordarshan have been set up - to disseminate and present correct information and not lies and untruths - will be defeated. Let us hope that the Ministry of Information & Broadcasting will insist that the Doordarshan abides by the national motto - SATYAMEVA JAYATE.

The secularist Government and parties refuse to see reason and insist on projecting Tipu Sultan as a national hero. This shows their respect for truth, history and sentiments of the Hindu community. The rise of Hindu anger in the South, as witnessed in the recent past, is a direct result.


REFERENCES

1. Malabar Manual by William Logan (Printed and published by Charitram Publications under the editorship of Dr. C.K, Kareem, Trivandrum).

2. Voyage to East Indies by Fra Bartolomaeo (Portuguese Traveller and Historian).

3. Historical Sketches by Col. Wilks, Vol. II.

4. A Journey from Madras through the counties of Mysore, Canara and Malabar by Dr. Francis Buchanan Hamilton, Vol. II.

5. Mysore History by Lewis Rice.

6. Selected Letters of Tipu Sultan to various Functionaries by William Kirkpatrick, published in London, 1811.

7. History of Kerala by A. Sreedhara Menon.

8. History of Cochin State by K.P. Padmanabha Menon, Mathrubhoomi Publication, 1989.

9. Cochin State Manual by C. Achuta Menon.

10. State Manual of Travancore by T.K. Velu Pillai.

11. Freedom Struggle in Kerala by Sardar K.M. Panicker.

12. Sakthan Thampuran by P. Raman Menon, Mathrubhoomi Publication, 1989.

13. Life of Raja Kesavadas by V.R. Parameswaran Pillai, N.B.S. Publications, Kottayam, 1973.

14. Chronicles and Reports originating from Trippunithura, Calicut, Palghat and other seats of Kerala Royal families and from Temples of Trichur and Carmichael Christian Mission, Varappuzha.

15. Bhasha Poshini of Chingam 10, 1099 (August, 1923), Article on Tipu Sultan by Sardar K.M. Panicker.

16. Malabar Kalapam of 1921 by K. Madhavan Nair.

17. Travancore History by P. Sankrunni Menon.

18. Tipu Sultan X-rayed by Dr. I.M. Muthanna, Usha Press, Mysore 1980.

19. Archeology of Coorg with special reference to Megaliths by Dr. Subbiah of Karnataka, Doctoral Thesis, Pune University, 1978.

20. Itihas Ani Kalpit (History and Myth) by Setu Madhavrao Pagdi.

21. Articles, literary works etc. of Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai, Ulloor S. Parameswara Iyer, Vadakkumkoor Raja Raja Varma, and Shri Govinda Pillai.

22. Mappila Outrage of 1921 by K. Madhavan Nair.

23. Zamorins in Kerala by K.V. Krishna Iyer.

24. Tipu Sultan by B.N. Jog.
 

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Even Today You wont find anybody named Tipu in the Regions of Mysore and Malabar. Nobody likes to name his child after the Cruel Tyrant Tipu Sultan.

The Pakistan Army had named a SHip after Tipu Sultan, like After Ghaznavi and Ghauri. ANother proof of his legacy in Bharat.
 
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I know you would point out first that dont give me a reference by a Brit. But there are many references other than the Brit

One Muslim Reference, The Other is Tipu Sultan- The Tyrant of Mysore (History) [Kindle Edition]
Sandeep Balakrishna (Author), Shatavadhani Dr.R.Ganesh (Foreword)

Sardar K.M. Panicker,

Dr Har Prashad Shastri

And there are countless other sources by Non British Sources
@Ajesh mate you are saying about Tipu`s atrocities. Well I do not know if these things are true or not but I can tell you one thing even our Hindu kings and rulers were no saints.
Being in Mumbai I think you know about the Marathas who put up a resistance to Mughal rule during the 17th and 18th century. They are usually glorified in the western part of India but in Bengal,Orrisa etc they are not seen as something special. So what is the reason behind these anomaly.

This is because they plundered,looted and destroyed parts of eastern India. They are known as pillagers,rapists and criminals here. There targeted not only Muslims but also innocent Hindus. There is even a famous Bengali poem on this which nearly all Bengalsi know.

chhele ghumalo, pada judalo bargi elo deshe
bulbulite dhan kheyechhe, khajna debo kise?

When the children fall asleep, silence sets in, the Bargis come to our lands
Bulbulis (birds) have eaten the grains, how shall I pay the rent?

Bargi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Why are some people so proud of Maratha empire ? While Marathas under Shivaji and his successors resisted Mughals they also plundered non-maratha areas such as Bengal. Folk-songs in Bengal still describe Maratha atrocities and plunder in Bengal. - Qu
 
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@Ajesh mate you are saying about Tipu`s atrocities. Well I do not know if these things are true or not but I can tell you one thing even our Hindu kings and rulers were no saints.
Being in Mumbai I think you know about the Marathas who put up a resistance to Mughal rule during the 17th and 18th century. They are usually glorified in the western part of India but in Bengal,Orrisa etc they are not seen as something special. So what is the reason behind these anomaly.

This is because they plundered,looted and destroyed parts of eastern India. They are known as pillagers,rapists and criminals here. There targeted not only Muslims but also innocent Hindus. There is even a famous Bengali poem on this which nearly all Bengalsi know.

chhele ghumalo, pada judalo bargi elo deshe
bulbulite dhan kheyechhe, khajna debo kise?

When the children fall asleep, silence sets in, the Bargis come to our lands
Bulbulis (birds) have eaten the grains, how shall I pay the rent?

Bargi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Why are some people so proud of Maratha empire ? While Marathas under Shivaji and his successors resisted Mughals they also plundered non-maratha areas such as Bengal. Folk-songs in Bengal still describe Maratha atrocities and plunder in Bengal. - Qu


Modis look at this false flagger and ******.
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@Ajesh my friend i hope you get what i and @Peter are trying to say.
Moreover I have gone through your references and as i pointed out, all those were British official communications and writings and other 18th and 19th century authors just went on elaborating and publishing their writings based on primary evidences again provided for by the British writings.
Now I know that its difficult to convince you, but i'll try this for one more time.
Since you are a Malayali, you must be aware of Palazhi Raja, as i have mentioned earlier, I would reiterate again:
Why did Palazhi Raja a self righteous and brave King, himself a Nair, align with Tipu, if Tipu were have to created such miseries to Nair and other Hindu communities.
Now your argument of Mapila Lehala, is again controversial, because prior to 1921 there was hardly any events of clashes although Tipu and his rule was well over 2centuries ago.
If Mapilla's had created such widespread atrocities why didn't other communities revolt against them soon after the fall of Tipu Sultan's rule.
 
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While Tipu's legacy is a bit ambiguous w.r.t his religious tolerance with records of his respect for Hindu temples within Mysore vs destruction of temples and churches, killings and forced conversions of Hindus and Christians in Mangalore and Malabar, I might say Hindus in West Bengal and Kerala seem to be suffering with too much of `secularism` or is it Stockholm syndrome ?
 

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this is utter nonsense, the true ideal maratha kings were shivaji, sambhaji and rajaram ,queen tarabai. All after that are actually knights of mongol ,those who looted eastern india were peshwas but actually it was maratha who got the bad name cause he was king but actually after 1708, not a single maratha king was as willful as those three and were happy to live in comfort , so as a result there was no controll on peshwa.
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again whole peshwa dynasty were having huge loan , so many historians disagree with the loot. Actually some thief would be using marathas name and looting them ! @Peter
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try to read some of modern research and not old research which were full of what one have heard.
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try to find a written proof and there is no written proof saying loot by marathas. Leave the poem cause poem is more of feeling than a fact.
 
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this is utter nonsense, the true ideal maratha kings were shivaji, sambhaji and rajaram ,queen tarabai. All after that are actually knights of mongol ,those who looted eastern india were peshwas but actually it was maratha who got the bad name cause he was king but actually after 1708, not a single maratha king was as willful as those three and were happy to live in comfort , so as a result there was no controll on peshwa.
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again whole peshwa dynasty were having huge loan , so many historians disagree with the loot. Actually some thief would be using marathas name and looting them ! @kalapaani
I dont have any problem with this thread except it title .No comparison between Ram an tipu.I have no issues it he compares tipu vs ashoka or what ever..

Leave Ram alone.
 

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You Guys are brainwashed or even worse, i dont even know your background to see what you are arguing against. Its because of people like you we had to suffer the foreign invasion like the British and the Mughals.

@Ajesh my friend i hope you get what i and @Peter are trying to say.
Moreover I have gone through your references and as i pointed out, all those were British official communications and writings and other 18th and 19th century authors just went on elaborating and publishing their writings based on primary evidences again provided for by the British writings.
Now I know that its difficult to convince you, but i'll try this for one more time.
Since you are a Malayali, you must be aware of Palazhi Raja, as i have mentioned earlier, I would reiterate again:
Why did Palazhi Raja a self righteous and brave King, himself a Nair, align with Tipu, if Tipu were have to created such miseries to Nair and other Hindu communities.
Now your argument of Mapila Lehala, is again controversial, because prior to 1921 there was hardly any events of clashes although Tipu and his rule was well over 2centuries ago.
If Mapilla's had created such widespread atrocities why didn't other communities revolt against them soon after the fall of Tipu Sultan's rule.
 
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Pazhassi Raja never alligned with Tipu, What are you talking about? He fought a lifetime war against the British, Hyder Ali and his son. Moro ever, the British and Hyder Ali were together against Pazhassi Raja. And furthermore, he was surrounded by a bunch of cowards and Traitor. His Uncle never liked the fact that he came on throne. And finally it was a traitor, Camara Menon who was paid by the British to kill him, eventaully killed him.

That is the true story of Pazhassi Raja.

@Ajesh my friend i hope you get what i and @Peter are trying to say.
Moreover I have gone through your references and as i pointed out, all those were British official communications and writings and other 18th and 19th century authors just went on elaborating and publishing their writings based on primary evidences again provided for by the British writings.
Now I know that its difficult to convince you, but i'll try this for one more time.
Since you are a Malayali, you must be aware of Palazhi Raja, as i have mentioned earlier, I would reiterate again:
Why did Palazhi Raja a self righteous and brave King, himself a Nair, align with Tipu, if Tipu were have to created such miseries to Nair and other Hindu communities.
Now your argument of Mapila Lehala, is again controversial, because prior to 1921 there was hardly any events of clashes although Tipu and his rule was well over 2centuries ago.
If Mapilla's had created such widespread atrocities why didn't other communities revolt against them soon after the fall of Tipu Sultan's rule.
 
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What doesnt surprise me is the Sickularists praising for tipu Sultan and wanting for him to declare as a Freedom Fighter as it helps them but what surprises me more is that Nairs are supporting him; the Same Emperor who bushwhacked and killed entire generation of Nairs.

Quite Shameful really. Makes me believe people are not even True Nairs or Kshatriyas.
 

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What doesnt surprise me is the Sickularists praising for tipu Sultan and wanting for him to declare as a Freedom Fighter as it helps them but what surprises me more is that Nairs are supporting him; the Same Emperor who bushwhacked and killed entire generation of Nairs.

Quite Shameful really. Makes me believe people are not even True Nairs or Kshatriyas.

Hummm.... i was hoping for a good debate not some personal remarks, secondly it makes no sense for me to carry on this debate.
Regarding my credentials, am an staunch follower of vedas and very much proud of my racial background.
Regarding you my friend, its better if you show some respect towards fellow citizens if not all forum members.
Whether am a Nair or not, haha, i don't need to prove anything to you.
Regarding Tipu and Palazhi aligning against British well its a fact, which occurred latter during the course of History, though Palazhi had aligned against Tipu and French with the help of Britishers, the tables changed once the East India Company showed its true intentions, refer history books( not some hate forums) or at-least watch "Kerala Verma Palazhi Raja" enacted by Mammuty and a great movie by Santosh Shivan, you will also find your answers regarding Mappilla's and their loyalty towards Kerala Verma.

End of this utter useless discussion on my side.
@Ajesh learn to control your emotions mate, and Kshatriya is not by birth but by deed, thats what i believe in.
Regarding Nairs being persecuted by Tipu, well its part of war as i had said before, then can you justify Chola's[ vanniyars] persecution of Pandiya's[maravar-agamudiyar], Chola's persecution of Sinhala's, chola's persecution of Chera's and latter all these factions aligning themselves against Chola's during their decline.
Think with an open mind not with a mind filled up of prejudices and notions.
 
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@pmaitra sir , I have problem with title of this thread , how can a ring belong to a religion , the title of thread should be 'Tipu sultan used to wear sing quoting Ram'
 
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I cannot really arbitrate on the subject matter of a discussion, unless we have a distinct and obvious morphing of facts.

Why don't you guys debate it out?
 

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:rofl:.. The Mappilas openly supported Tipu SUltant against Pazhassi Raja. Just learn to see out of the secularists Media in Kerala. They will show these guys in Good Light.

And Lol, You are quoting a Commerical Movie for supporting Mappilas. Lol What Next? They are a commercial Movie and their main aim is to entertain people. The More people they can get in their theatres the better is for them. They wouldnt show anything against Mappilaas as Mammooty has a huge following in them. Just use Common Sense man.

The Level of atrocities matter man. In any War about Chola,Pandya or whatever they dont go to such low levels .

Hummm.... i was hoping for a good debate not some personal remarks, secondly it makes no sense for me to carry on this debate.
Regarding my credentials, am an staunch follower of vedas and very much proud of my racial background.
Regarding you my friend, its better if you show some respect towards fellow citizens if not all forum members.
Whether am a Nair or not, haha, i don't need to prove anything to you.
Regarding Tipu and Palazhi aligning against British well its a fact, which occurred latter during the course of History, though Palazhi had aligned against Tipu and French with the help of Britishers, the tables changed once the East India Company showed its true intentions, refer history books( not some hate forums) or at-least watch "Kerala Verma Palazhi Raja" enacted by Mammuty and a great movie by Santosh Shivan, you will also find your answers regarding Mappilla's and their loyalty towards Kerala Verma.

End of this utter useless discussion on my side.
@Ajesh learn to control your emotions mate, and Kshatriya is not by birth but by deed, thats what i believe in.
Regarding Nairs being persecuted by Tipu, well its part of war as i had said before, then can you justify Chola's[ vanniyars] persecution of Pandiya's[maravar-agamudiyar], Chola's persecution of Sinhala's, chola's persecution of Chera's and latter all these factions aligning themselves against Chola's during their decline.
Think with an open mind not with a mind filled up of prejudices and notions.
 
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