Tiger or Lion- who is the king of beast?

[A chauhan]

Though I agree that Lions are really powerful but I am skeptic towards mane's ability to protect the neck ! since it is mostly used for sexual and show purpose !?

 

[Srinivas_K]

There is no debate, it is the Lion, Tiger is a lonely animal which meet the female only for mating. Lion is a social animal which protects its lionesses and cubs.

Lion also is a territorial animal which rules its territory and only hunts when it is hungry unlike Tiger.

Lion is the king of the beasts, If the tiger is more strength and power it becomes the strongest beast not the King of the beasts.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Lions are SCAVENGERS they only hunts weak&old animals in African savanna/grass lands.

Some facts-about-tigers.

In Chinese language.

6. Male tigers have larger territories than females, so that the areas overlap and the tigers can mate. Adult female territories generally never overlap with those of other adult females, and adult male territories do not overlap with those of other adult males.

8. When several tigers are present at a kill, the males will often wait for females and cubs to eat first, unlike lions, which do the opposite. Tigers rarely argue or fight over a kill and simply wait turns.

12. Unlike almost all other big cats, tigers are adept swimmers. They enjoy bathing and often play in the water when young. As adults, they often swim several kilometers to hunt or to cross rivers.

13. Tigers are the largest of all cats, but also have the most variability in size.

23. Tigers can leap distances of over 6m, and jump up to 5m vertically. Their muscular legs are so powerful that they can remain standing even when dead.

26. Tigers have been known to imitate the call of other animals to successfully attract prey.

http://listverse.com/2012/09/10/50-unusual-facts-about-tigers/

Lions Hunt even elephants and Giraffes, they do not fear any other animal, they are not scavengers you are confusing Lions with Hyenas

Tigers are sole hunters, Lion live in groups with lionesses called prides. Lion is more social animal.

One reason for Lion called a king of Jungle is because Europeans has never seen Tiger, But I feel Lion is the king of the jungle because of its social life.

http://gaudet.info/LEARNIN1/GAUDET/ENVIROW3/ENDANGER/LIONS.HTM

One more article which explains my point

https://www.modernghana.com/news/349642/1/why-lion-could-become-the-king-of-jungle-and-not-t.html
Why lion could become the king of jungle and not tiger

By S. Ranganathan, Dr.
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Why lion is considered or said to be as king of the jungle? The question may appear very frivolous and nonsensical as the human beings only 'crowned' the lion as king of the jungle and none of the animals may be even aware of such 'coronation' event. Interestingly, even the 'lion' itself may not know such title has been conferred to 'him'.

When was such coronation event had happened is not known. Why the tiger was not considered for the title of the 'king' despite tiger being the biggest among all the cats. What is so unique or special for 'lion'?

Perhaps, the great management principle and reason only would have made the early man to title the 'lion as king of jungle'. The point worth mention is about the astute management knowledge of early man and how relevant the same is even today. The modern corporate must learn and follow the above tenets.

What are the generally expected or accepted qualities of a king?

1. King should be very majestic and distinguishable from the rest

2. King should respect and protect his clan
3. The entire clan should be willing to do 'sacrifice' for the king

4. The palace where king lives should be very open and visible to others even from a distance

5. King should be willing to abdicate his throne to a new king when he becomes old

Lion is a sexually dimorphic animal whereas the tiger is not. The gait and mane of a matured lion gives an august & majestic appearance to it and such distinguishable features are not present in tiger.

The corporate must always carry very distinguishable and remarkable qualities or values in the market place. The organization should be known for its ethics.

The second management principle to be learned from the above by the corporate is that the lion protects all the members of the pride from other lions and it tolerates all the members of the pride as well.

This philosophy of valuing and protecting the employees, the corporate must inculcate and follow.

The third management principle is that all the members of the pride will patiently wait for the lion to have its share only then they approach the meal. Natural willingness for sacrifice is born only when there is genuine respect and recognition.

The lion lives in open country. It never follows the hunting strategy of 'ambush' like tiger. The message to be learned by the corporate in this regard is that they should conduct themselves in a very fair and open manner. Transparency should be understood and followed by them in letter and spirit.

The last and the most important management principle is that the lion when looses its dominance, retreat and the new king gets the throne. The message it conveys is that the corporate must abdicate its 'expired beliefs' and renew them as and when required. If they remain firm with what they believe is right, growth and development become impossible. Adaptation and formation of new generation always call for abdication of certain beliefs and values.

Read more at: https://www.modernghana.com/news/349642/1/why-lion-could-become-the-king-of-jungle-and-not-t.html

 

[Mad Indian]

Actually its a myth that lions are the kings of the jungle. See the distribution of lions- Africa and India only and only in west India. But tigers are present all over Eurasia.

The reason why lions never migrated from west of India to the rest of the continent is very interesting. The reason is that, India had tigers all over the Indian jungles and they stopped the migration of lions into India.

Yes you read that right..tigers in India is the reason why lions could not make their way into SEA for instance because tigers dint allow them to cross India



Also, in the roman colloseums, there used to be frequent pair ups of tigers vs lions.but to make the fight even fair and balanced, five lions were forced to fight four tigers because tigers massacred the lions when they both are in even numbers. You have rig the game heavily in favor of lions for this to be even a match.


Also, king of the " jungle". When was the last time you saw a lion on a jungle? You won't because lions live in grasslands not jungles. Surviving in jungle requires a lot more skill and lot more intelligence.



So essentially, tigers are more intelligent, more powerful and better at combat than lions.



The reason why lions were pushed as the kings of the beast is because lions represented Britain(what do you think is their national emblem?) and UK along with several other Germanic states while tiger traditionally represented India and Indians. This is one another reason the while lions were aggressively promoted by the britshits . you have to be pretty ignorant to think lions are better than tigers.


And no, mane is useless in combat. Why don't you grow hair below your shoulders and see how well your hair protects you head against a sword?

 

[Illusive]

I like Tigers so my vote for Tiger, but the Lion's mane gives it an advantage, these animals go for the neck and it'd be difficult with all that hair for the Tiger to bury its teeth in Lions neck.

 

[Mad Indian]

I like Tigers so my vote for Tiger, but the Lion's mane gives it an advantage, these animals go for the neck and it'd be difficult with all that hair for the Tiger to bury its teeth in Lions neck.

grow a long hair and see how good it is vs a sword or a the teeth of a big cat even.


It's nonsense to say that mane is a big advantage for lions. That would have resulted in Rogers being beaten by lions on 1vs 1 scenario but the truth is tigers crush lions on most of the 1 vs 1 encounters

 

[Srinivas_K]

Read above male Tiger territory OVERLAP with 3/4 Tigress.Tiger is the Perfect Gentle Man.

TIGER HUNTS by Ambush in Jungles............LIONS PACK(6/7) RUNDOWN the PREY in african grasslands, only weak&old animals can't run and eventually die.

Bengal avg is 222 kg, African Lion is 180kg.In Tiger Vs Lion fight 3 lions are no match for 1 Bengal tiger.

Strength is not the only criteria for king of the jungle, read the second article I have posted in the previous post.

 

[Mad Indian]

@Srinivas_K dude, lions don't even live in jungles. Read about their living areas. They live in savannahs and grasslands

 

[Srinivas_K]

@Srinivas_K dude, lions don't even live in jungles. Read about their living areas. They live in savannahs and grasslands

Gir forest in Gujarat?

Lions in Europe ?

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Actually its a myth that lions are the kings of the jungle. See the distribution of lions- Africa and India only and only in west India. But tigers are present all over Eurasia.

The reason why lions never migrated from west of India to the rest of the continent is very interesting. The reason is that, India had tigers all over the Indian jungles and they stopped the migration of lions into India.

Yes you read that right..tigers in India is the reason why lions could not make their way into SEA for instance because tigers dint allow them to cross India



Also, in the roman colloseums, there used to be frequent pair ups of tigers vs lions.but to make the fight even fair and balanced, five lions were forced to fight four tigers because tigers massacred the lions when they both are in even numbers. You have rig the game heavily in favor of lions for this to be even a match.


Also, king of the " jungle". When was the last time you saw a lion on a jungle? You won't because lions live in grasslands not jungles. Surviving in jungle requires a lot more skill and lot more intelligence.



So essentially, tigers are more intelligent, more powerful and better at combat than lions.



The reason why lions were pushed as the kings of the beast is because lions represented Britain(what do you think is their national emblem?) and UK along with several other Germanic states while tiger traditionally represented India and Indians. This is one another reason the while lions were aggressively promoted by the britshits . you have to be pretty ignorant to think lions are better than tigers.


And no, mane is useless in combat. Why don't you grow hair below your shoulders and see how well your hair protects you head against a sword?

Roman colloseums? Do you have any reference for your claim?

I think lion is awesome because it rests and let its female do all the job. Now that is life of a king!!

 

[Srinivas_K]

1. King should be very majestic and distinguishable from the rest

Tiger is the most Majestic,Powerful,fearsome&Beautiful.
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2. King should respect and protect his clan

3+Tigress live in 1 male tiger land who protects his clan

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3. The entire clan should be willing to do 'sacrifice' for the king

WTF is this? Lions fight are not death matches one lion/pack push second lion pack

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4. The palace where king lives should be very open and visible to others even from a distance

WTF is this Jungle is closed grassland is open.. idiotic logic in-favor of lions

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5. King should be willing to abdicate his throne to a new king when he becomes old

Yes all casts and so two tigers fight for supremacy.What is new in this?

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Lion is a sexually dimorphic animal whereas the tiger is not. The gait and mane of a matured lion gives an august & majestic appearance to it and such distinguishable features are not present in tiger.


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The corporate must always carry very distinguishable and remarkable qualities or values in the market place. The organization should be known for its ethics.

ethics this is what my every father must do unlike filthy greedy lions
8. When several tigers are present at a kill, the males will often wait for females and cubs to eat first, unlike lions, which do the opposite. Tigers rarely argue or fight over a kill and simply wait turns.

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The second management principle to be learned from the above by the corporate is that the lion protects all the members of the pride from other lions and it tolerates all the members of the pride as well.

Tigers tolerate other tigers too.

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The lion lives in open country. It never follows the hunting strategy of 'ambush' like tiger. The message to be learned by the corporate in this regard is that they should conduct themselves in a very fair and open manner. Transparency should be understood and followed by them in letter and spirit.

Ambush=Power Rundown =Weak&old animal......... Single Tiger on record HUNTED ELEPHANTS&RHINOS 6+ Lion pack never dared to attempt in their life
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The last and the most important management principle is that the lion when looses its dominance, retreat and the new king gets the throne. The message it conveys is that the corporate must abdicate its 'expired beliefs' and renew them as and when required. If they remain firm with what they believe is right, growth and development become impossible. Adaptation and formation of new generation always call for abdication of certain beliefs and values.


Same as Tigers.

check this article

Tigers are loners most of the time except when they are mating. This gives Lion the advantage in social life and behavior

http://www.tigers-world.com/facts-about-tigers/

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Bina praja k raja kaisa?? Without subjects there is no king!!

Lion has subjects to rule over, while tiger is single forest dweller. This itself makes lion king!!

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

LEOPARDS/JAGUARS almost all CATS are LONERS except lions. BTW Hyenas,Wild dogs like weak animals are form PACKS to survive.

For ex:
Muzzies/African are ALSO form street gangs not because of they are strong because they are CHEAP&WEAK. Same applies to WEAK Predators like Hyenas/wild dogs& lions they form PACK and survive.

You are forgetting one important thing. Lion hardly ever hunts as it lets its subjects do the killing! He just come after the job is done to collect taxes i.e. its share of food.

A lion gets stronger by fighting other lions when the new lion challenges his territory and females.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Yup... @Srinivas_K forgot the main point mostly lionesses hunts and your Lion King steals the carcass.World's dirtiest animal is the male lion. It looks dirty works dirty.Chi Yak Thuu

And here Male Tiger

8. When several tigers are present at a kill, the Male Tiger will often wait for females and cubs to eat first, unlike lions, which do the opposite. Tigers rarely argue or fight over a kill and simply wait turns.

haha.

You don't know the quality of kings. They let small people do the job while they rest. Lion is not always the first one to eat. It eats when hungry and when he comes, the small females and kids leave for the king.
You can Chi yak thuu...whatever you want.

This quality alone makes lion a lion. It lets inferior beings do the job rather than hunt itself. It does not waste energy and time on hunting low life animals like tiger!!

 

[A chauhan]

Well, some points worth mentioning from Wiki :-

1. An average adult male tiger from Northern India or Siberia outweighs an average adult male lion by around 45.5 kg (100 lb).

2. The tiger (Panthera tigris) is the largest cat species, reaching a total body length of up to 3.38 m (11.1 ft) over curves and exceptionally weighing up to 388.7 kg (857 lb) in the wild.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger

3. With some males exceeding 250 kg (550 lb) in weight, Lion is the second-largest living cat after the tiger.

4. Of the living felids the lion is second only to the tiger in length and weight. Its skull is very similar to that of the tiger, although the frontal region is usually more depressed and flattened, with a slightly shorter postorbital region and broader nasal openings than that of a tiger.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion

One more thing out of 5241 tigers of the world 2226 live in India alone i.e. nearly 50%

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Btw, lion does not become a lion till it lives in the herd.

A lion becomes a lion when it matures, leaves its pack and finds its own females. It dethrones another lion or capture some females. It has to fight another big lion to secure his position. Tigers on the other hand have no such compulsion to prove their worth because they are not social animals!

Probably this also explains why lions beat tigers in one-on-one fights.

 

[Mad Indian]

@Srinivas_K Dude, forest is not the same as jungles. Jungles are a different ball game altogether. And also even in forests, lions don't roam in tree dense areas and only in the grasslands. When was the last time you saw a lion roaming among dense forest cover?


@Sakal Gharelu Ustad

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3348978?ir=India

https://books.google.com.hk/books?i...al tiger could fight the african lion&f=false

Read the page 626 passage on the right.

Also read the Wikipedia link on the subject.


Lion is no match for the tiger. It was britshitz propaganda that lions are the kings as lions were symbolic representation of UK while tiger was from India and represented India


BTW, lions excel only at hunting in packs, while rtiger is a lone hunter. Pitting lion against tiger is like pitting Leander paes against roger federer in a singles match

 

[Mad Indian]

@Sakal Gharelu Ustad. Where did you get this bullshit that lions won against tigers. on1 on1? Most of the 1vs 1 fights between tiger and lion was won by tigers and not lions.


What you said is unadulterated nonsense.


And no, lion hunts as a pack. Tiger hunts alone. It makes toger much more experienced with hunt and survival. And yeah, tigers compete far more than lions for mate. So you reasoning is very flawed. Tigers are actually better suited for 1v1 combat unlike lions

 

[A chauhan]

@Srinivas_K Dude, forest is not the same as jungles. Jungles are a different ball game altogether. And also even in forests, lions don't roam in tree dense areas and only in the grasslands. When was the last time you saw a lion roaming among dense forest cover?


@Sakal Gharelu Ustad

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3348978?ir=India

https://books.google.com.hk/books?id=MbdXAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA626&dq=roman+emperor+was+determined+to+try+whether+the+bengal+tiger+could+fight+the+african+lion&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HY_fUu_5LOW4iQebjYDoBQ#v=onepage&q=roman emperor was determined to try whether the bengal tiger could fight the african lion&f=false

Read the page 626 passage on the right.

Also read the Wikipedia link on the subject.


Lion is no match for the tiger. It was britshitz propaganda that lions are the kings as lions were symbolic representation of UK while tiger was from India and represented India


BTW, lions excel only at hunting in packs, while rtiger is a lone hunter. Pitting lion against tiger is like pitting Leander paes against roger federer in a singles match

Size does matter ! Tiger is the largest and heaviest cat of the world and an average Tiger beats an average Lion on size & weight !

[ Lion - Record measurements from hunting records are supposedly a total length of nearly 3.6 m (12 ft) for a male shot near Mucsso, southern Angola in October 1973 and a weight of 313 kg (690 lb) for a male shot outside Hectorspruit in eastern Transvaal, South Africa in 1936. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion ]

while

[ The tiger (Panthera tigris) is the largest cat species, reaching a total body length of up to 3.38 m (11.1 ft) over curves and exceptionally weighing up to 388.7 kg (857 lb) in the wild. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger ]

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

@Sakal Gharelu Ustad. Where did you get this bullshit that lions won against tigers. on1 on1? Most of the 1vs 1 fights between tiger and lion was won by tigers and not lions.


What you said is unadulterated nonsense.


And no, lion hunts as a pack. Tiger hunts alone. It makes toger much more experienced with hunt and survival. And yeah, tigers compete far more than lions for mate. So you reasoning is very flawed. Tigers are actually better suited for 1v1 combat unlike lions

This guy gave couple of links: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...s-the-king-of-beast.14827/page-3#post-1115519

Check this: http://wildanimalwarfare.yuku.com/topic/6/Lion-kills-male-tigers?page=1#.VoLmIJfL-PR

It gives enough examples where lions won. In the end I guess, it depends on the experience of two animals fighting. You cannot write one or the other off if I believe your evidences.