Tibetan singer jailed for encouraging people to learn Tibetan

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Kalsang Yarphel convicted in Sichuan after taking part in concerts encouraging people to learn Tibetan



China has sentenced a popular singer to four years in prison for calling on Tibetans to unify and speak their language, according to reports, highlighting tight cultural controls in the region.

Kalsang Yarphel, 39, was convicted by a court in the south-western province of Sichuan after taking part in concerts encouraging people to speak and learn Tibetan, India-based news website Phayul.com reported on Sunday.

"Authorities accuse him of singing songs that have political overtones," the site reported, adding that Yarphel's music arranger was also sentenced to two years in jail.

It was not clear what crime the singer, who blends traditional Tibetan instrumentation with pop influences, was convicted of on Thursday.

Radio Free Asia (RFA), a US-funded broadcaster, cited a local source as saying: "He was indicted for organising Tibetan concerts and singing songs "¦ carrying political themes."

Yarphel's songs included We Should Learn Tibetan and We Should Unite, RFA reported, adding that he was detained last year. The concerts were in 2012.

The singer's call for Tibetans to "build courage" to think about Tibet's "future path" was deemed subversive by Chinese authorities, RFA added.

Wary of any challenge to its rule, Beijing tightly controls cultural and religious practices in Tibet, and many Tibetans complain of economic discrimination. Controls have tightened since a wave of deadly riots in Tibet's capital, Lhasa, in 2008.

Beijing says it has brought economic development to poverty-stricken Tibetan areas, and that it grants broad religious freedoms.

At least 130 Tibetans have set themselves on fire since 2009 in protest against Beijing's rule. China says the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, has encouraged self-immolations, and has warned foreign governments against meeting him.

Beijing heavily restricts journalists in Tibetan areas, making reports hard to confirm. Authorities in Sichuan province could not be reached for comment.
China jails Tibetan singer over political lyrics | World news | The Guardian
To imagine that one cannot encourage one to learn his own language!

What other atrocities the Chinese perpetuate in Tibet or Xinjiang, one can never know as this article clearly indicates that journalists are restricted entry into these areas and some of the Chinese posters compare themselves with the issues of Kashmir!

Where foreign journalists and tourists can visit anywhere in India and write anything about India, China is but a prison house and the Chinese have the temerity to compare with India.

What cheek.
 
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To imagine that one cannot encourage one to learn his own language!

What other atrocities the Chinese perpetuate in Tibet or Xinjiang, one can never know as this article clearly indicates that journalists are restricted entry into these areas and some of the Chinese posters compare themselves with the issues of Kashmir!

Where foreign journalists and tourists can visit anywhere in India and write anything about India, China is but a prison house and the Chinese have the temerity to compare with India.

What cheek.
This looks quite similar to historical Chinese policies of Sinticization of conquered people.
 

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China is but a prison house and the Chinese have the temerity to compare with India.

What cheek.
i think they are compare in term of economy, living standard, rather than freedom of expression. the problem with tibetan/xinjiang is they try to be independent, you dont see these kind thing happen with other 50 ethnic miniority in china. i went to inner mongol, all the shop are in han and mongol writting, same with road name etc.
the more tibet/xinjian try to push independent the more CCP will crash down.

Yunnan province home of 30+ miniority is open to everyone, because none of those miniority are asking for independence
 

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i think they are compare in term of economy, living standard, rather than freedom of expression. the problem with tibetan/xinjiang is they try to be independent, you dont see these kind thing happen with other 50 ethnic miniority in china. i went to inner mongol, all the shop are in han and mongol writting, same with road name etc.
the more tibet/xinjian try to push independent the more CCP will crash down.

Yunnan province home of 30+ miniority is open to everyone, because none of those miniority are asking for independence
One sees the zeal and zest of the Tibetan and Uighurs to preserve their natural identity is because they have still not been Sinicised.

The other 'minorities' have been Sinicised and they are, for all practical purpose, Hans in thinking, language and even culture.

Sinicisation or Zhōngguóhuà, is a process whereby non-Han Chinese societies have been brought under the influence of dominant Han Chinese state and society. This type of nationalism was/ is aimed at strengthening of the Chinese identity among population. Proponents believed/ believe that integration will help to develop shared values, pride in being the country's citizen, respect and acceptance towards cultural differences among citizens of China, which would have been dissolved. This type of integration destroys ethnic diversity, language diversity, and cultural diversity.

Tang Empire

During the 8th and 9th centuries in the Tang Empire, Chinese soldiers moved into Guizhou (Kweichow) and married native women, their descendants are known as Lao-han-jen (original Han people), in contrast to new Han people who colonized Guizhou at later times. They still speak an archaic dialect. Many immigrants to Guizhou were descended from these soldiers in garrisons who married non-Chinese women.

Yuan Empire
The Mongol Yuan Empire appointed a Muslim from Bukhara, Sayyid Ajjal Shams al-Din Omar, as governor of Yunnan after conquering the Kingdom of Dali. Sayyid Ajjall then promoted Sinicization and Confucianization of the non-Han Chinese peoples in Yunnan during his reign. Sayyid Ajjal founded a "Chinese style" city where modern Kunming is today, called Zhongjing Cheng. He ordered that a Buddhist temple, a Confucian temple, and two mosques be built in the city.[4] Advocating Confucianism was part of his policy. The Confucian temple that Sayyid Ajjall built in 1274, which also doubled as a school, was the first Confucian temple ever to be built in Yunnan.[5]

Both Confucianism and Islam were promoted by Sayyid Ajall in his "civilizing mission" during his time in Yunnan.[6] Sayyid Ajall viewed Yunnan as "backward and barbarian" and utilized Confucianism, Islam, and Buddhism for "civilizing" the area.[7]

In Yunnan, the widespread presence of Islam is credited to Sayyid Ajjal's work.[8]

Sayyid Ajjal was first to bring Islam to Yunnan. He promoted Confucianism and Islam by ordering construction of mosques and temples of Confucianism.[9] Sayyid Ajjal also introduced Confucian education into Yunnan.[10][11] He was described as making 'the orangutans and butcherbirds became unicorns and phonixes and their felts and furs were exchanged for gowns and caps', and praised by the Regional Superintendent of Confucian studies, He Hongzuo.[12]

Shams al-Din constructed numerous Confucian temples in Yunnan, and promoted Confucian education. He is best known among Chinese for helping sinicize Yunnan province.[13] He also built multiple mosques in Yunnan as well.

Confucian rituals and traditions were introduced to Yunnan by Sayyid Ajall.[14] Several Confucian temples and schools were founded by him. Chinese social structures, and Chinese style funeral and marriage customs were spread to the natives by Sayyid Ajall.[7][15]

The aim of Sayyid Ajall's policy of promoting Confucianism and education in Yunnan was to "civilize" the native "barbarians". Confucian rituals were taught to students in newly founded schools by Sichuanese scholars, and Confucian temples were built.[16][17] The natives of Yunnan were instructed in Confucian ceremonies like weddings, matchmaking, funerals, ancestor worship, and kowtow by Sayyid Ajall. The native leaders has their "barbarian" clothing replaced by clothing given to them by Sayyid Ajall.[17][18]

Both Marco Polo and Rashid al-Din recorded that Yunnan was heavily populated by Muslims during the Yuan Dynasty, with Rashid naming a city with all Muslim inhabitants as the 'great city of Yachi'.[19] It has been suggested that Yachi was Dali City (Ta-li). Dali had many Hui people.[20]

His son Nasir al-Din became Governor of Yunnan in 1279 after sayyid Ajjal died.[21][22]

The historian Jacqueline Armijo-Hussein has written on Sayyid Ajall's Confucianization and Sinicization policies, in her dissertation Sayyid 'Ajall Shams al-Din: A Muslim from Central Asia, serving the Mongols in China, and bringing 'civilization' to Yunnan,[23] the paper The Origins of Confucian and Islamic Education in Southwest China: Yunnan in the Yuan Period,[24] and The Sinicization and Confucianization in Chinese and Western Historiography of a Muslim from Bukhara Serving Under the Mongols in China.[25]

Ming Empire
Main articles: Ming conquest of Yunnan and Miao Rebellions (Ming Dynasty)
Massive military campaigns were launched by the Ming Empire during the Miao Rebellions against the southern aboriginal Miao, Yao, and other tribes, settled thousands of Han and Hui in their land after crushing and killing the aboriginals.

During the Ming conquest of Yunnan Chinese military soldiers were settled in Yunnan, and many married the native women.

Qing Empire
The Manchu people started sinicizing during the Qing dynasty. They originally had their own separate style of naming from the Han Chinese, but eventually adopted Han Chinese naming practices.

Manchu names consisted of more than the two or one syllable Chinese names, and when phonetically transcribed into Chinese, they made no sense at all.[26] The meaning of the names that Manchus used were also very different from the meanings of Chinese names.[27] The Manchus also gave numbers as personal names.[28]

They gave their children Chinese names, which were separate from the Manchu names, and even adopted the Chinese practice of generation names, although its usage was inconsistent and error ridden, eventually they stopped using Manchu names.[29]

The Niohuru family of the Manchu changed their family name to Lang, which sounded like "wolf" in Chinese, since wolf in Manchu was Niohuru.[30]

Although the Manchus replaced their Manchu names with Chinese personal names, the Manchu bannermen followed their traditional practice in typically used their first/personal name to address themselves and not their last name, while Han Chinese bannermen used their last name and first in normal Chinese style[31][32]

Usage of surnames was not traditional to the Manchu while it was to the Han Chinese.[33]

Modern examples of sinicization
Kuomintang
The Kuomintang pursued a sinicization policy, it was stated that "the time had come to set about the business of making all natives either turn Chinese or get out." by foreign observers on the Kuomintang policy. It was noted that "Chinese colonization" of "Mongolia and Manchuria" led to the conclusion "to a conviction that the day of the barbarian was finally over."[34][35][36]

Ma Clique
Hui Muslim General Ma Fuxiang created an assimilationist group and encouraged the integration of Muslims into Chinese society.[37] Ma Fuxiang was a hardcore assimilationist and said that Hui should assimilate into Han.[38]

Xinjiang
The Hui Muslim 36th Division (National Revolutionary Army) governed southern Xinjiang in 1934–1937. The administration that was set up was colonial in nature, putting up street signs and names in Chinese, which used to be in only Uighur language. They lived much like Han Chinese, importing Han cooks and baths.[39] The Hui also switched carpet patterns from Uyghur to Han in state owned carpet factories.[40]

Taiwan
After the Republic of China took control of Taiwan in 1945 and relocated its capital to Taipei in 1949, the intention of Chiang Kai-shek was to eventually go back to mainland China and retake control of it. Chiang believed that to retake mainland China, it would be necessary to re-Sinicize Taiwan's inhabitants who had undergone assimilation under Japanese rule. Examples of this policy included the renaming of streets with mainland geographical names, use of Mandarin Chinese in schools and punishments for using other regional languages, and teaching students to revere traditional ethics, develop pan-Chinese nationalism, and view Taiwan from the perspective of China.[41][42] Other reasons for the policy were to combat the Japanese influences on the culture that had occurred in the previous 50 years, and to help unite the recent immigrants from mainland China that had come to Taiwan with the KMT and among whom there was a tendency to be more loyal to one's city, country or province than to China as a nation.[43]

The process of re-asserting non-Chinese identity, as in the case of ethnic groups in Taiwan, is sometimes known as (desinicization).

Tibet
The sinicization of Tibet is a term used by some critics of Chinese rule in Tibet to refer to the cultural assimilation that have occurred in Tibetan areas of China (including Tibet Autonomous Region and surrounding Tibetan-designated autonomous areas) which have made these areas more closely resemble mainstream Chinese society. They say that these changes have been most evident since the incorporation of Tibet into the People's Republic of China in 1950/51 and have been facilitated by a broad range of active economic, social, cultural and political reforms introduced to Tibetan areas by the Chinese Government over the last six decades. Critics also point to the government-sponsored migration of large numbers of Han Chinese into the Tibet Autonomous Region as a major component of sinicization.

The government of Tibet in exile alleges that the consequence of Chinese policies is the disappearance of certain elements of Tibetan culture, which has sometimes been very controversially termed "cultural genocide".[1][2] It says that these policies intend to make Tibet an integral part of China in order to control any desire for Tibetan self-determination.

The sinicization of Tibet is the change of Tibetan society to Han Chinese standards, by means of cultural assimilation, immigration, and political reform

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Yunnan province home of 30+ miniority is open to everyone, because none of those miniority are asking for independence
That is because they are too many disparate ethnic groups and not of a common ethnicity to demand anything.
 
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One sees the zeal and zest of the Tibetan and Uighurs to preserve their natural identity is because they have still not been Sinicised.

The other 'minorities' have been Sinicised and they are, for all practical purpose, Hans in thinking, language and even culture.

Sinicisation or Zhōngguóhuà, is a process whereby non-Han Chinese societies have been brought under the influence of dominant Han Chinese state and society. This type of nationalism was/ is aimed at strengthening of the Chinese identity among population. Proponents believed/ believe that integration will help to develop shared values, pride in being the country's citizen, respect and acceptance towards cultural differences among citizens of China, which would have been dissolved. This type of integration destroys ethnic diversity, language diversity, and cultural diversity.





That is because they are too many disparate ethnic groups and not of a common ethnicity to demand anything.
i disagree, because i have been to yunan and tibet, the people in yunan miniority keep their ethnic culture, not only they dress different their worship, festival etc is different. but obviously to someone whos anti-china, you will think differently
 

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To imagine that one cannot encourage one to learn his own language!

What other atrocities the Chinese perpetuate in Tibet or Xinjiang, one can never know as this article clearly indicates that journalists are restricted entry into these areas and some of the Chinese posters compare themselves with the issues of Kashmir!

What cheek
In your own quote, ""Authorities accuse him of singing songs that have political overtones," the site reported, adding that Yarphel's music arranger was also sentenced to two years in jail."

And considering the fact that Tibetan is a compulsory class for every Tibetan children in the public schools in Tibetan area funded by Chinese authority, I don't think she was sentenced for "encouraging" people to learn their own language.
 

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i disagree, because i have been to yunan and tibet, the people in yunan miniority keep their ethnic culture, not only they dress different their worship, festival etc is different. but obviously to someone whos anti-china, you will think differently
They have been converted to believe in Hànhuà

The Ethnic Autonomous Regions are as follows
TABLE 1 CHINA'S FIVE PROVINCIAL-LEVEL ETHNIC
AUTONOMOUS REGIONS
Name Set-up Capital Area Population Population Percentage
(1000 (million) of Ethnic of Ethnic
sq km) Minorities Minorities (%)
Inner Mongolia 1 May Hohhot 1,183 23.9 5.2 21.6
Autonomous Region 1947
Xinjiang Uyghur 1 Oct Urumqi 1,650 20.1 12.1 60.4
Autonomous Region 1955
Guangxi Zhuang 15 Mar Nanning 236 49.25 19.0 38.54
Autonomous Region 1958
Ningxia Hui 25 Oct Yinchuan 66.4 5.96 2.1 35.98
Autonomous Region 1958
Tibet Autonomous 1 Sep Lhasa 1,228 2.76 2.6 93.48
Region 1965
Sources: Wang and Chen, Minzu qiuyu zizhuzhidu de fazhan, p. 227; China Statistical
Yearbook 2006, Beijing: China Statistical Press, 2006, p. 45.
http://www.eai.nus.edu.sg/Vol1No3_LaiHongyi.pdf

Heard of the Zhuang people, who are also from Yunan?

With the Buyi, Tay–Nùng, and other northern Tai speakers, they are sometimes known as the Rau or Rao. They are second only to the Han Chinese and that makes the Zhuang the largest minority in China.

Check this link below to see how the Han have Sinicised the Zhuang, who are/ were animists.
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In your own quote, ""Authorities accuse him of singing songs that have political overtones," the site reported, adding that Yarphel's music arranger was also sentenced to two years in jail."

And considering the fact that Tibetan is a compulsory class for every Tibetan children in the public schools in Tibetan area funded by Chinese authority, I don't think she was sentenced for "encouraging" people to learn their own language.
Really? Encouraging people to learn their own language?

You surely live in a fantasy.

Here is some home truths that the CCP hid from you when pandering fantastic claims.

Mandarin education plan riles Tibetans

The Chinese government's plan to introduce Mandarin as the language of education in Tibetan schools has prompted protests by Tibetans at home and abroad, over fears this will lead to the decline of the Tibetan culture. However, there is also a belief that only by learning the national language can Tibetans in China improve their economic and social status.

Unlike in the past, when violence involving protests in Tibet and ethnic Tibetan areas made the news, this time peaceful protests highlight the divergence between China and Tibet.

On October 19, hundreds of Tibetan student staged a protest, chanting: "We want equality of culture" in Tongren, also known as Rebkong, in the northwestern Chinese province of Qinghai. The



protests were over a government overhaul of the curriculum that reduced the use of the Tibetan language in schools, making Chinese the language of the classroom. Tongren, a heavily Tibetan area and the birthplace of the Tibetan spiritual leader in exile - the 14th Dalai Lama - is considered a hotbed of anti-China sentiments and is the region where many ethnic Tibetans participated in the 2008 anti-China riots.

The protest was sparked by reported comments from the Chinese Communist Party's Qinghai chief, Qiang Wei, calling for the use of "a common language" in schools and suggesting that the province would introduce Mandarin as the teaching language over the next decade. "The protest resulted from a new education policy which reduces Tibetan language teaching," said an official identified only as Mr Wang, speaking for the International Information Office of the Qinghai government, as reported by CNN.
"The Chinese are enforcing reforms which remind me of the Cultural Revolution," the United Kingdom-based Free Tibet group quoted one unnamed former Tongren teacher as saying. "This reform is not only a threat to our mother tongue, but is in direct violation of the Chinese constitution, which is meant to protect our rights."

The group said about 3,000 to 4,000 school students protested in the region. Citing witnesses, however, China's state media said about 800 students protested in western China. The Global Times, a Chinese government-supported English-language newspaper, said the protest by "students, most wearing school uniforms", was peaceful. "Social order was restored quickly on the same day," a witness was quoted as saying.

The language row has spread. On October 22, about 500 students at the Beijing campus of Minzu University of China, a leading institution for ethnic minority students, protested for language rights. Pictures posted on Twitter showed a group of students carrying a banner saying "Protect ethnic minority languages, carry forward Chinese civilization".

The Dalai Lama and his Tibetan supporters were also fuming over the new policy by Beijing, and rights groups have expressed serious concerns.

The Dalai Lama, in his first reaction to the protest, said the Tibetan language was vital for the survival of Tibetan Buddhist culture which had a strong following in China. The Tibetan leader, who is currently touring the United States and Canada, said, "China is historically a Buddhist country and the preservation of the Tibetan Buddhist culture is also in the interest of the millions of Chinese who are looking for spiritual sustenance." He added that China might want to learn from the Indian experience, where the promotion of linguistic diversity is not seen as a divisive factor.
According to Free Tibet, the language policy has already been implemented in schools in other areas across the Tibet Autonomous Region, including in primary schools. The rights group said the new policy will eventually eliminate the Tibetan language and culture, "The use of Tibetan is being systematically wiped out as part of China's strategy to cement its occupation of Tibet."

Tibetan is the official language in the Tibet Autonomous Region and also in other Chinese regions where Tibetans have traditionally been the main ethnic group. Beijing has for decades promoted standard Mandarin Chinese as a way of unifying a culturally diverse country, and many Tibetans say they have little choice but to learn Mandarin if they want to get ahead in modern China.

The new education policy change has shocked many Tibetan intellectuals. Tsering Woeser, a Beijing-based Tibetan writer who recently won this year's Courage in Journalism award from the International Women's Media Foundation, has been watching the language-policy row closely. "According to the Law on the Autonomy of Ethnic Minority Regions, ethnic language has been heavily emphasized," she told Radio Free Asia.

"However, the autonomy laws are useless, as ethnic languages are always ignored. For example, if a person from an ethnic group cannot speak Chinese but can speak his native language well, he simply cannot find a job." Woeser, who is also a blogger, circulated a mobile-phone text message that said, "In order to save our mother tongue, many Tibetan students are protesting in Tibetan areas advocating for the Tibetan language. We need your attention."

The Qinghai provincial education department director, Wang Yubo, was quoted over the weekend as saying that change won't be forced in areas where "conditions are not ripe". Wang also said, "The new education policy is made according to relevant national regulations."

"Huangnan prefecture held a conference after the protest happened and formed a working team headed by a deputy director of the provincial education department. The working team went to Huangnan and explained the new education policy to the students. The students ended the demonstration shortly afterward. Right now, the provincial government is communicating with the local schools, and the working team is communicating with local students as well." He added, "If the suggestions of protesting students are reasonable, it's likely that the government will consider them."

The language issue is a complex one and intimately linked to Tibet's political struggle. While many Tibetans feel that Beijing is eroding the Tibetan culture, and are threatened by development and the migration of China's ethnic Han majority, they also hope their children can learn Mandarin in order to get higher-income jobs. Many Tibetans say they have little choice but to learn Mandarin if they want to get ahead in modern China.

But many Tibetan students still fear that the bilingual system will lead to the use of Chinese alone, except in Tibetan-language classes. Modern Chinese art expert Li Xianting learned of the Tibetan language deficiency when he recently helped organize an exhibition of contemporary Tibetan art in Beijing. Li said he was very surprised when one of the young Tibetan artists, who was literate in Tibetan because his parents were professors, told him that some of the other Tibetan artists could not write Tibetan words correctly. He said it was not fair to Tibetans that they did not get enough instruction in their own language. He thinks globalization should mean multiculturalism, not the eradication of local cultures.

China defended its language policy, "The purpose of the bilingual education-reform plan is to strengthen whatever is weaker, not use one language to weaken another," Xinhua news agency quoted Wang as saying.

The plan, Wang said, would boost both Putonghua and minorities' native languages. Under the new policy, bilingual lessons will be adopted in primary schools by 2015, meaning Chinese language will be the main medium, and ethnic languages will be a supplement.

Beijing said that promoting Mandarin among minorities would help them catch up with the Han majority in economic status, bridging the income gap between Han Chinese and the country's 55 minority groups.

However, Stephanie Brigden with Free Tibet said the public fear that the Tibetan language would be cut from schools showed the gulf of credibility between official rhetoric and what Tibetans actually perceive. "I think this is a good example of the difference between what is promised and what is delivered. This is the case whether we are talking about education rights, whether we are talking about who is benefiting from development in Tibet, or if we are talking about whether torture takes place in Tibet."

Tibetans in exile joined the Dalai Lama in slamming the language policy. Samphel Thupten, spokesman for the Tibetan government in exile based in Dharamsala, India, said the Tibetan students were right to protest. "The Tibetan language is disavowed and this will do huge damage to the Tibetan identity. Here in Dharamsala, the Tibetan language is compulsory and Tibetan children have a firm grasp." Added Thupten: "China should review its policy."

Speaking to Asia Times Online, Karma Gelek Yuthok, secretary of the Department of Education for the exiled Central Tibetan Administration, said it looked like China was not abiding by its constitution. "The Chinese say something and do something else; they want everything Chinese, which is not a thought of the 21st century. Though I personally have a feeling that very little of Tibetan culture will remain in Tibet, we have planned accordingly. For we in exile need extra energy to preserve the culture and language."

One student in the Tibetan school in Dharamsala said, "Learning our language and culture comes first. My parents fled from Tibet just to take sure I kept my identity."

At a press conference in Dharamsala, Dokru Choedak - who heads a group working for the preservation of the Tibetan language - said they would send signed petitions to the United Nations Children's Fund and other international organizations. "Schools and language are the fabric of national identity. Unfortunately the Chinese authorities have reportedly identified schools as 'base camps to fight against the Dalai Clique and outside separatist forces'."

The Tibetan Youth Congress (TYC), a radical organization of Tibetans in exile, has planned protest rallies from Dharamsala to New Delhi on November 12. "The Tibetan language is intrinsically linked to Tibetan culture and identity. Denying Tibetans the right to learn in their own language is denying them the right to exist as a people" said Tenzin Choekyi, the TYC's general secretary.

TYC called China the biggest colonizer of modern times and appealed to the international media covering the Asian Games to highlight the Chinese violation of the human rights of Tibetans.

Interestingly, support for Tibetans protesters has even come from inside China. Ilham Tohti, an outspoken Uyghur professor at Minzu University of China and webmaster of Uighurbiz.net, said Uyghur students at his school had been eager to join in protests with their Tibetan classmates. "From the beginning of the Qinghai protests, Uyghur students studying at my university were all supportive. Some students came to my office and said they want to protest with the Tibetan students, but I advised them that we can support them without protesting."

A teacher in Xinjiang told news website the Tibet Post, "Every Uyghur teacher and student is supporting Tibet right now, because we have the same problems here."
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Really? Encouraging people to learn their own language?

You surely live in a fantasy.

Here is some home truths that the CCP hid from you when pandering fantastic claims.
Did you even read your own link?

This paper proved that Tibetan language is quite popular in Tibetan education system.

Quote from your own link:

"protests were over a government overhaul of the curriculum that reduced the use of the Tibetan language in schools, making Chinese the language of the classroom."

Which means that Tibetan language is using in schools.

You can accuse that CCP is trying to push Mandarin education. But saying they object people learning Tibetan language is just a lie.
 

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Did you even read your own link?

This paper proved that Tibetan language is quite popular in Tibetan education system.

Quote from your own link:

"protests were over a government overhaul of the curriculum that reduced the use of the Tibetan language in schools, making Chinese the language of the classroom."

Which means that Tibetan language is using in schools.

You can accuse that CCP is trying to push Mandarin education. But saying they object people learning Tibetan language is just a lie.
What is reduced?

Why reduce?


Also see below to understand the social and economic effects the 'reduction' has.

Cultural Genocide in Tibet? A Look at China's Linguistic Policies and Possible Breaches on International Law

One area of concern has been the rights of Tibetans to use their own language. Language is an essential part of a person's individual identity and their sense of community.

According to Joseph Gromacki:
Language is intrinsically linked to the development of both an individual human consciousness and a sense of group or cultural identity. Therefore the protection of linguistic rights becomes essential to the protection of human dignity.

Since the invasion of Tibet in 1949, the Chinese government has placed an increasing number of limits upon the use of the Tibetan language in the TAR. One reason for these limits has been the PRC's policy of population transfer. The Chinese government has been encouraging ethnic Han Chinese to move to Tibet by offering incentives such as better housing, employment opportunities and higher salaries. This has resulted in large scale migration of ethnic Chinese to the TAR, which has significantly impacted upon the use of Tibetan in the region.

As more Chinese move in, the PRC has implemented policies which prioritise the use of Mandarin, also known as Putonghua, over the use of the traditional Tibetan language. One area in which the PRC has prioritized the use of Mandarin over Tibetan is in public sector employment. People wishing to gain employment in the public sector in Tibet must sit an exam written in Mandarin. Many Tibetans are unable
to pass this exam as they have limited skills in speaking or writing Mandarin, particularly when compared to ethnic Chinese for whom it is their first language. As such, their ability to enter the public sector is greatly diminished. This has resulted in a loss of employment opportunities to many Tibetans, and a fairly obvious form of favouritism for ethnic Han Chinese in public employment positions.

Read more at Cultural Genocide in Tibet? A Look at China's Linguistic Policies and Possible Breaches on International Law��»ï¿½ï¿½Brill Online
 

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What is reduced?

Why reduce?


Also see below to understand the social and economic effects the 'reduction' has.

Cultural Genocide in Tibet? A Look at China's Linguistic Policies and Possible Breaches on International Law

One area of concern has been the rights of Tibetans to use their own language. Language is an essential part of a person's individual identity and their sense of community.

According to Joseph Gromacki:
Language is intrinsically linked to the development of both an individual human consciousness and a sense of group or cultural identity. Therefore the protection of linguistic rights becomes essential to the protection of human dignity.

Since the invasion of Tibet in 1949, the Chinese government has placed an increasing number of limits upon the use of the Tibetan language in the TAR. One reason for these limits has been the PRC's policy of population transfer. The Chinese government has been encouraging ethnic Han Chinese to move to Tibet by offering incentives such as better housing, employment opportunities and higher salaries. This has resulted in large scale migration of ethnic Chinese to the TAR, which has significantly impacted upon the use of Tibetan in the region.

As more Chinese move in, the PRC has implemented policies which prioritise the use of Mandarin, also known as Putonghua, over the use of the traditional Tibetan language. One area in which the PRC has prioritized the use of Mandarin over Tibetan is in public sector employment. People wishing to gain employment in the public sector in Tibet must sit an exam written in Mandarin. Many Tibetans are unable
to pass this exam as they have limited skills in speaking or writing Mandarin, particularly when compared to ethnic Chinese for whom it is their first language. As such, their ability to enter the public sector is greatly diminished. This has resulted in a loss of employment opportunities to many Tibetans, and a fairly obvious form of favouritism for ethnic Han Chinese in public employment positions.

Read more at Cultural Genocide in Tibet? A Look at China's Linguistic Policies and Possible Breaches on International Law��»��Brill Online
No matter what you put on, there is one fact you can't deny: Tibetan children are learning Tibetan language in the public schools of Tibetan area.
This fact is against your claim that China is sentencing people for encouraging to learn Tibetan.
 

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No matter what you put on, there is one fact you can't deny: Tibetan children are learning Tibetan language in the public schools of Tibetan area.
This fact is against your claim that China is sentencing people for encouraging to learn Tibetan.
That is not what is known to the world.

Can anyone get a Govt job who does not understand Mandarin?

Isn't that a dubious and devious way to carry out cultural and linguistic genocide and Sinicise the people?
 
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No matter what you put on, there is one fact you can't deny: Tibetan children are learning Tibetan language in the public schools of Tibetan area.
This fact is against your claim that China is sentencing people for encouraging to learn Tibetan.
Don't argue with Ray anymore. Already know what he gonna claim any way. He argue China won't allow foreigner into Tibet yet he says everybody knows whats going on in Tibet. The two arguments has conflict. Anyway just ignore him at least I've been to Tibet and know what's like.
 

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That is not what is known to the world.

Can anyone get a Govt job who does not understand Mandarin?

Isn't that a dubious and devious way to carry out cultural and linguistic genocide and Sinicise the people?
In Australia, there is no one is getting a govt job without understanding English.
Does that also mean that Australia is carrying out cultural and linguistic genocide against aboriginal Australian?

As I said, you can accuse that Chinese gov is not doing enough to protect the minority culture, but you can't claim that they are forcing minorities not to learn their own language.
 

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In Australia, there is no one is getting a govt job without understanding English.
Does that also mean that Australia is carrying out cultural and linguistic genocide against aboriginal Australian?

As I said, you can accuse that Chinese gov is not doing enough to protect the minority culture, but you can't claim that they are forcing minorities not to learn their own language.

Australia is a country where English has been the language ever since the prisoners were sent there from England. There were no other language of Governance. There were 250 languages spoken by the Aboriginal Australians and were classified as Pama–Nyungan languages. There were no scripts. They were spoken languages.

Hence, English became the language of the Government and governance.

Australia is a country where English has been the language ever since the prisoners were sent there from England. There were no other language of Governance. There were 250 languages spoken by the Aboriginal Australians and were classified as Pama–Nyungan languages. There were no scripts. They were spoken languages.

Hence, English became the language of the Government and governance.

Compare that with Tibet.

There is and was a Tibetan language and that was used for governance.

Ever since the Chinese occupied Tibet, every ploy has been used to Han-ise the Tibetans and wipe out the Tibetan culture and language.

Therefore, your contention is not valid.

Don't argue with Ray anymore. Already know what he gonna claim any way. He argue China won't allow foreigner into Tibet yet he says everybody knows whats going on in Tibet. The two arguments has conflict. Anyway just ignore him at least I've been to Tibet and know what's like.
Nothing contradictory at all.

Foreigners are not allowed to go into Tibet unless they are in a group and authorised to visit. They also have a 'guide', who actually is an officially approved 'minder'.

I have indicated many a link when total traffic to Tibet or North Sichuan has been stopped and there are enough travel advisories of foreign nations on that issue.

Of course, news still trickles out of the atrocities. You think there is no foreign HUMINT operating in Tibet. And there are always sympathisers of Free Tibet to pass information even though the Chinese Han Govt wants to gag the information.

Your going to Tibet does not make you the last word, unless you are a Han Chinese who is also a Communist Govt agent.
 

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Australia is a country where English has been the language ever since the prisoners were sent there from England. There were no other language of Governance. There were 250 languages spoken by the Aboriginal Australians and were classified as Pama–Nyungan languages. There were no scripts. They were spoken languages.

Hence, English became the language of the Government and governance.

There is and was a Tibetan language and that was used for governance.

Ever since the Chinese occupied Tibet, every ploy has been used to Han-ise the Tibetans and wipe out the Tibetan culture and language.

Therefore, your contention is not valid.
No, Aboriginal Australians were here long before any british come. So, it was their land and their home.
And they can communicate with each other through their own language.

But today, their own language can't find a gov job for them on their own land.
I don't see how is that different.
 

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