Tibet Continues to Burn

[Ray]

The tibetans are not asking for Independence either.

"Tibetans are seeking enough autonomy for Tibet to allow its culture to survive, rather than outright independence,"
Tibetans not for outright independence from Chinaalai Lama

Or you disagree with his holiness?

If that is right, what is China's problem?

Please AGREE with His Holiness and all will be well!

 

[Ray]

ndia should thank its "self behave" on Tibet issue, and didn't go too far. That's why Chinese government don't provide any big support to your chaos and under development NE states. We don't want your NE states, but we surely have enough cards to make your states totally under fire, by manipulating those issues i mentioned above.

And this is also a good sample to let our Indian friends understand, when you pointing finger to Tibet issue, think about your situation on NE, if things are much worse do you still have the face to murmuring ours?

Is that what your media brainwashes on?

China is not involved in the separatist movements?

NE is still fine!

They prefer freedom than strict control.

Christianity is very embedded in the NE and it is controlled by the US Church (that is why you don't allow foreign influence, unlike India) and you think the US will allow you a free hand?

We are more liberal!

 

[rockdog]

Is that what your media brainwashes on?

China is not involved in the separatist movements?

NE is still fine!

They prefer freedom than strict control.

Christianity is very embedded in the NE and it is controlled by the US Church (that is why you don't allow foreign influence, unlike India) and you think the US will allow you a free hand?

We are more liberal!

brainwashes? LOL, comparing the cases about Tibet you post here, i almost didn't post any specific case about NE here.

"NE is still fine!"? if you define the situation like current chaos, racial conflict, poverty and under industrialization as "fine", i have nothing to say.

So you now feel unfair that i using the some negative cases to present whole situation in NE right? But please remember you did same to Tibet.


Again, I still think the NE affairs is good hidden card for China: Hindu, Muslim, Christianity all have bosses behind there, i didn't deny it, and this is a good reason why Chinese have lots of chances to spark the situation there, once India dare to do any aggressive move to Tibet.

Tibet shouldn't be the buffer zone between India and China, that's British's plan, and India is not capable, the buffer zone should be around Pakistan, J&K, Neapal, NE, which are 1000km forward ^_^

 

[Ray]

brainwashes? LOL, comparing the cases about Tibet you post here, i almost didn't post any specific case about NE here.

"NE is still fine!"? if you define the situation like current chaos, racial conflict, poverty and under industrialization as "fine", i have nothing to say.

So you now feel unfair that i using the some negative cases to present whole situation in NE right? But please remember you did same to Tibet.


Again, I still think the NE affairs is good hidden card for China: Hindu, Muslim, Christianity all have bosses behind there, i didn't deny it, and this is a good reason why Chinese have lots of chances to spark the situation there, once India dare to do any aggressive move to Tibet.

Tibet shouldn't be the buffer zone between India and China, that's British's plan, and India is not capable, the buffer zone should be around Pakistan, J&K, Neapal, NE, which are 1000km forward ^_^

You would have posted if you could find some.

No one stopped you.

You don't have to teach me about the NE. I worked there.

 

[Ray]

Gunner Runners of North East

Chinese Agents Smuggle Arms to Revive Militancy in North East India

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...-spread-militancy-in-north-east/1/139538.html

 

[Ray]

China given evidence of its aid to NE insurgents'

India has given China evidence — on several occasions — of its involvement in aiding insurgency movements in India's northeast, government officials have told HT.

"There was evidence that insurgents from India's northeast were meeting Chinese intelligence officials regularly in
Yunnan (China) and in Nepal. We tracked top NSCN (National Socialist Council of Nagaland) arms procurer Anthony Shimray who had ordered a massive supply of weapons. The procedures involved in shipment, export orders, regulatory compliances, etc are impossible without China's involvement," said GK Pillay, former home secretary.
"We have also given China details of Ulfa (United Liberation Front of Asom) chief Paresh Barua's travel to Yunnan, including airline tickets, period of stay, etc," he said.

In the past, India had always distinguished between state and non-state actors when it came to Chinese involvement.

"On several occasions, we have given concrete proof of certain elements from the Chinese establishment aiding northeast militants. The Chinese government, at least at the prefecture (provincial) level, was involved in such activity," said a senior government official, who did not want to be named.

The evidence was also submitted to the ministry of external affairs, which took it up during the January 16-17 talks in New Delhi between national security adviser Shivshankar Menon and Dai Bingguo, China's special representative, the official said.

The evidence mainly pertained to regular interactions of the insurgent leaders with Chinese intelligence agencies regarding supply and shipment of weapons to rebel outfits like Ulfa, NSCN, United National Liberation Front (UNLF) and the People's Liberation Army (PLA) of Manipur.

Intelligence reports say fresh consignments — comprising weapons like Heckler and Koch rifles (HK 33), T81 rifles — have landed in the hands of the rebels in substantial numbers.

What is more worrying for India is the coming together of forces. "We have information that top Chinese intelligence officials have told all these outfits to unite under a single umbrella and devise joint strategies. We are witnessing that unification move now," the official said.

'China given evidence of its aid to NE insurgents' - Hindustan Times

 

[no smoking]

"On several occasions, we have given concrete proof of certain elements from the Chinese establishment aiding northeast militants. The Chinese government, at least at the prefecture (provincial) level, was involved in such activity," said a senior government official, who did not want to be named.

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So, basically, this indian official could be anybody, or nobody.

If China really get invovled, why don't India gov openly protest that?

And I really doubt this so called "indian official" know anything about Chinese intellegence. As we all know, Chinese province gov has no say in their operation.

 

[Ray]

So United Liberation Front of Assam's (ULFA) is a peace loving NGO?

And PLA from Manipur is a franchise store system?

:thumb:



Don't cheat yourself, the things is much more complicated than religion issue. It contains colonization history and its remains, social development slowness, racial impact, immigration and AI's military oppression (i still remember the Naked parade of assam women, those raped by AI soldiers)...

Except so called "AP", China didn't want to other states to join China, and we don't want such mess situation.

India should thank its "self behave" on Tibet issue, and didn't go too far. That's why Chinese government don't provide any big support to your chaos and under development NE states. We don't want your NE states, but we surely have enough cards to make your states totally under fire, by manipulating those issues i mentioned above.

And this is also a good sample to let our Indian friends understand, when you pointing finger to Tibet issue, think about your situation on NE, if things are much worse do you still have the face to murmuring ours?

First of all, Indian colonised none.

India is a legatee.

You still remember the Naked parade of assam women, those raped by AI soldiers because you have a fertile imagination and find self gratification through perverted and imagined thought.

China's colonisation and imperialism is well documented.

Even now you are squabbling over with imperialist zeal over barren rocky island in the SCS.

India does not have to get involved in colonised territories currently with China.

They themselves are already in the mood to take on the Chinese.

 

[Impluseblade]

GK Pillay stated a fact "There was evidence that insurgents from India's northeast were meeting Chinese intelligence officials regularly in Yunnan (China) and in Nepal" and jumped to the conclusion "The procedures are impossible without China's involvement". The evidence is not strong enough to support his conclusion. Just because he thinks that the procedures are too complex for the insurgents to complete doesn't mean China must play a role in it. Is it possible that other countries or organizations are behind the scene or he just underestimated the strength of the insurgents?

China given evidence of its aid to NE insurgents'

India has given China evidence — on several occasions — of its involvement in aiding insurgency movements in India's northeast, government officials have told HT.

"There was evidence that insurgents from India's northeast were meeting Chinese intelligence officials regularly in
Yunnan (China) and in Nepal. We tracked top NSCN (National Socialist Council of Nagaland) arms procurer Anthony Shimray who had ordered a massive supply of weapons. The procedures involved in shipment, export orders, regulatory compliances, etc are impossible without China's involvement," said GK Pillay, former home secretary.

 

[rockdog]

First of all, Indian colonised none.

What i mentioned "colonized" means two things:

1. India had a wet dream to be a successor of your master British during the your colonized time. This kind of mindset went through from Nehru's book, biography, speech, behavior to how Indian see other nations, your internal NE states, colonized nation like Sikkim over subcontinent and Tibet should be the Buffer zone between the master of subcontinent and China. Sad thing is, 1962 gave you a lesson.

2. What happened in NE today, part of them are caused by the remains of British's colonization history (race, territory, development inequality), some of them like SK and Pakistan got independent, and of them just stay in India, and seems government still can't fix those conflicts after 60 yrs.

You still remember the Naked parade of assam women, those raped by AI soldiers because you have a fertile imagination and find self gratification through perverted and imagined thought.

Rape In India: Sexual Assault In Assam Reflects National Crisis - International Business Times

Rape in Northeast India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://fractalenlightenment.com/903/issues/the-ugly-side-of-the-indian-army

Those news are even from Indian media, what you say?

China's colonisation and imperialism is well documented..

Even now you are squabbling over with imperialist zeal over barren rocky island in the SCS.

India does not have to get involved in colonised territories currently with China.

They themselves are already in the mood to take on the Chinese.

OK, let's see who will make bigger chaos in Tibet or in NE! ^_^

400,000 people started to running now:

In July 2012 the Indian state of Assam saw outbreaks of violence between indigenous Bodos and Bangladeshi Muslim immigrants [2][3][4] As of 8 August 2012, 77 people have died[5] and over 400,000 people have been displaced,[6][7] from almost 400 villages, taking shelter in 270 relief camps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Assam_violence

 

[agentperry]

What i mentioned "colonized" means two things:

1. India had a wet dream to be a successor of your master British during the your colonized time. This kind of mindset went through from Nehru's book, biography, speech, behavior to how Indian see other nations, your internal NE states, colonized nation like Sikkim over subcontinent and Tibet should be the Buffer zone between the master of subcontinent and China. Sad thing is, 1962 gave you a lesson.

2. What happened in NE today, part of them are caused by the remains of British's colonization history (race, territory, development inequality), some of them like SK and Pakistan got independent, and of them just stay in India, and seems government still can't fix those conflicts after 60 yrs.

Rape In India: Sexual Assault In Assam Reflects National Crisis - International Business Times

Rape in Northeast India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Those news are even from Indian media, what you say?

China's colonisation and imperialism is well documented..



OK, let's see who will make bigger chaos in Tibet or in NE! ^_^

last month saw big protest in hong kong. a region having rich people. a region which is important place in terms of trade n sea routes. a place that demanded QUEENS' RULE BACK.
tibet turkestan and now hongkong. we have our trouble but they are shrinking. but you have more areas coming under disturbed category

 

[rockdog]

last month saw big protest in hong kong. a region having rich people. a region which is important place in terms of trade n sea routes. a place that demanded QUEENS' RULE BACK.
tibet turkestan and now hongkong. we have our trouble but they are shrinking. but you have more areas coming under disturbed category

1. LOL, HK has protest everyday for different topics. would you please find some links to prove that some group or majority wanted "QUEENS' RULE BACK"?
Please list them, i wanna see. Please don't let me down!

PS. HK is very small part of land had colonized history, and both majority HKese and China wanted to get rid of it.
We are not the nation which been slaved by British for 100+ yrs till 1940s... and still use English as the communication language even over the nation.


2. Turkestan? Never heard this place, your Geography lesson taught by your math teacher?

 

[agentperry]

1. LOL, HK has protest everyday for different topic. would you please find some links to prove that some group or majority wanted "QUEENS' RULE BACK"?
Please list them, i wanna see.

PS. HK is very small part of land had colonized history, and both majority HKese and China wanted to get rid of it.
We are not the nation which are been slaved by British for 100+ yrs till 1940s... and still use English as the communication language even over the nation.


2. Turkestan? Never heard this place, your Geography lesson taught by your math teacher?

see BBC videos. i saw them live from HK
turkestan is what people over there call it. this is what i have heard.

 

[agentperry]

1. LOL, HK has protest everyday for different topics. would you please find some links to prove that some group or majority wanted "QUEENS' RULE BACK"?
Please list them, i wanna see. Please don't let me down!

PS. HK is very small part of land had colonized history, and both majority HKese and China wanted to get rid of it.
We are not the nation which been slaved by British for 100+ yrs till 1940s... and still use English as the communication language even over the nation.


2. Turkestan? Never heard this place, your Geography lesson taught by your math teacher?

yes you were not ruled by brits but being sliced up by many foreign powers taking away all what china had. this area goes to that nation this goes to that king this thing will be controlled by this nation etc etc

 

[rockdog]

see BBC videos. i saw them live from HK

Provide the screenshot or link which clearly saying "want Queen back" OK? Discuss things which evidence, can you?

turkestan is what people over there call it. this is what i have heard.

OK, i used 30mins to think about what you referred to, maybe you wanted to talk about Xinjiang, but even Xinjiang has a unofficial name as East Turkistan.

But your word is: Turkestan
E-a-s-t T-u-r-k-i-s-t-a-n is not T-u-r-k-e-s-t-a-n

Since T-u-r-k-e-s-t-a-n sounds more like Turkistan (Turkey) or Kurdstan. Which means you are even not have enough knowledge and education background to talk about the Xinjiang (East Turkistan) issue.

If you want to talk about Tibet, call it Tibet first; if i want to talk about China, at least call it China rightly, can you do that nicely?

yes you were not ruled by brits but being sliced up by many foreign powers taking away all what china had. this area goes to that nation this goes to that king this thing will be controlled by this nation etc etc

No time frame, no link, no data, no article resource, no comparison, i even don't know how to debate with you...