Thousands of Hong Kong students start week-long boycott

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  1. Srinivas_K

    Srinivas_K Senior Member Senior Member

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    That is your wish, Indian constitution gives liberty and civil rights like any other democracy.
     
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    http://webb-site.com/articles/speech141011.asp

    The above seems to be reasonable. Not sure if it is widely spoken. Why move from 1/8 to 1/2 threshold. Why change the previous way.

    Define -
    nomination
    Broadly representative
    Nominating comittee
    Democratic procedures

    Flexible language. What principles are used for interpretation and what happens if those are unconstitutional. Fairness and purpose (aim) are they valid and true.

    The people protesting might also say they were part of the group that drafted the Hong kong constituion and are applying exactly what was negotiated.

    The whole thing is a conflict creator and agreement that one knew was going to have such actions.

    It's actually important to note that the CCP constituion on electing leaders has similar language and how leader in prC are selected. The communist party actually elects its leaders like they have defined in Hong kong. But there are important provisions and language that is in Hong Kong constituion and also the flexibility that has allowed the protestors to say what they are doing is reasonable and legitimate.

    Also

    The legislative council (parliament) has a important role. Will there be protests on this also.
     
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    Its because of the systematic CCP indoctrination that you feel any demand for a little more democracy is a demand for secession and this is not right.

    Why the CCP so scared about people deciding for themselves? Isn't it because it is scared that if people had a say they might discard CCP as a system that has outlived its utility?

     
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  4. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    A gilded cage is more appealing, right?

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    The Mainland Communist Govt and its HK puppets and roaders are now up a gum tree, it appears.

    Is there any solution in the offing?
     
  6. nimo_cn

    nimo_cn Senior Member Senior Member

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    What is democracy? What is the purpose of having democracy? is it the ultimate goal or just a path to the ultimate goal? what if there is another path leading to that goal?

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  7. Ashutosh Lokhande

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    hey stop being so greedy. let other poor chinese trolls earn some 50 cents.
     
  8. Srinivas_K

    Srinivas_K Senior Member Senior Member

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    Most of the Chinese are worried about the economic plans, Since in their eyes democracy is chaotic.

    What is that path and what is the goal ??
     
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    the poor Chinese you are refering to are richer than most Indians.

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    nimo_cn Senior Member Senior Member

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    the ultimate goal is to build a prosperous country where people live abundant life.

    China chooses a path different from India, but that path is taking Chinese close to that goal. We call the path socialism with Chinese characteristics.

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    Prosperous country also mean people having civil rights, Liberty, Transparency and accountability from the government.

    It do not mean only economic development as Chinese CCP is doing.

    India's path takes care of all these aspects and improves the standard of life.
     
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  12. Ashutosh Lokhande

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    obviously, coz we dont hire indians on a payroll for trolling and try to sell our govt propaganda :taunt:
     
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  13. Srinivas_K

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    CCP manipulated stats !!!
     
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    Do the civil rights you were refering to include having an abundant life?

    How transparent and accountable are the Indian government? Any better than Chinese government?

    Dont you think one of the main jobs of an accountable government is to improve peoples life?

    under the socialism with Chinese characteristics, Chinese people do not necessarily enjoy less civil rights than Indians. On the contrary, success in economy gives Chinese people more opportunities.

    Say free speech in cyberspace, I admit that censorship makes it less convenient for Chinese netizens to comment on certain sensitive subjects. However, more Chinese than Indians could enjoy the fun of voicing their opinions on Internet simply because Chinese are more financially secured to have access to Internet. to many Indians, free speech in cyberspace means nothing but a hollow promise.

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  15. Ashutosh Lokhande

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    far from holding India back, democracy is what holds India together.

    India & China are & have been very different places historically. The notion of a single national entity with a dictator at its head has a long history in China. Despite their different language groups Han Chinese share a sense of unified culture. I don't think this describes India.

    If you want a comparison, look at Pakistan. Perhaps it would never have lasted as a unified state, but dictatorship doomed it to a violent split. Subsequent dictatorships in what remained Pakistan have probably fuelled divisions along religious & regional/ethnic lines. India has had its problems, but it has stayed in one piece, and at a MUCH lower cost than Pakistan paid for its breakup.

    Think on it this way, what do you think the reaction of the various States with their different histories, religions, ethnicities & languages would have been to an extended period of dictatorship from New Delhi? Dictatorships are notoriously bad at managing diversity. How long do you think it would have been before individual states or groups of states would have begun agitating for greater autonomy? How long do you think it would have been before bloodshed? How many years of dictatorship would it take to pay for the costs of just one year of major civil upheaval?

    I would argue that even 60 years after independence, India retians some of the fragility that it had at its birth. I doubt that it could survive a generation of dictatorship. India has corruption & inefficiency. It has problems. This is beyond doubt. So does China. I would argue, however, that the promises held out by dictatorship are largely illusory for most nations. The costs are often less obvious, but great. India gains so much more from democracy than it loses that the alternative is unthinkable.
     
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  16. Srinivas_K

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    Liberty and Economy cannot be compared. Civil Rights are most important than economy if I had to say. Lot of Democratic countries also achieved economic growth like China eg: Asian Tigers and Japan.

    A single part system may not give the same transparency and accountability as Multi Party Democracy. We have opposition parties who frequently expose any wrong doings of Govt. plus free media also does the same some times.


    Billions of corruption in land deals and other Govt. sponsored projects can be known to people and they can reject the leaders who did that. In India also there is corruption but those guys will become unpopular and can be voted out. Not the case of China where corruption kept under carpet if they think CCP will be at loss if it is exposed.

    Not true !! There are no civil rights in China. Improvement of standard of living do not transform into civil rights or liberty. People may buy more things but again they cannot do it where they want and when they want for example, those things will be decided by CCP.

    China has 600 Million and India has 250 Million and increasing.

    Cyber space is tightly controlled by China.
     
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    Well, wild animals have more freedom...
     
  18. Dhairya Yadav

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    I would prefer to live in Jungle than let anybody rule me/control my actions . What you do is controlled by CPC . You are like an animal in zoo, living in cages.
     
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  19. Srinivas_K

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    But are better than wild animals kept in cages !!
     
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    Yes,more than pet dogs.:eyebrows:;)
     

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