Third IAF Sukhoi-30MKI goes down near Pune today afternoon, both pilots safe!

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So bad, if the condition of the INDIA'S MOST ADVANCED AND FRONT-LINE FIGHTER AIRCRAFT is like this then what about the personals in the IAF. Shame on the responsible officials for not providing proper facilities and letting the fighters out in the HOT SUN and the officials sit comfortably inside A/C rooms and go in A/C cars......... :frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :doh: :doh: :doh:
 

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So bad, if the condition of the INDIA'S MOST ADVANCED AND FRONT-LINE FIGHTER AIRCRAFT is like this then what about the personals in the IAF. Shame on the responsible officials for not providing proper facilities and letting the fighters out in the HOT SUN and the officials sit comfortably inside A/C rooms and go in A/C/ cars......... :frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :doh: :doh: :doh:
All air forces keep stuff out when they are lined up for photoshoots. Unless of course you want aircraft to take off with their hangars.
 

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All air forces keep stuff out when they are lined up for photoshoots. Unless of course you want aircraft to take off with their hangars.
Hey People take photos of fighters, that is right. But not of all the fighters in the hangar and not for a long time. You cannot just permit a person to keep on taking photos at the fighters, if he does take photos like that he must be mad or he must be planning something fishy.......
 

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Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence: EXPRESS INVESTIGATION: Shelter-less Sukhois hit by sunstroke?

Bangalore: The Sukhois (Su-30 MKI) don't have shelter. India's frontline fighters are suffering from a possible sunstroke. This startling piece of revelation has come to light after Express launched an investigation, following the fighter's crash near Pune recently. Along with list of suspects – Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (blamed for serious quality issues) and the Russians (whose design flaws are under scanner ) – the Indian Air Force (IAF) will have to do some answering for 'exposing' the fighters.

Express consulted several serving and retired Sukhoi pilots, engineers in HAL, current and former IAF officials and even experts with military airworthiness to verify our findings: If Sukhois are exposed to the sun for a longer period, malfunctions will occur without fail. The IAF was contacted for an official response, but shockingly a delayed reply came in just one line. "Maintenance shelters have been procured at our airbases solely on the IAF's initiative and more of these are being procured to cater to the varied environmental conditions of our country," an email reply from IAF media managers said, to our queries.
The IAF operates over 150 Sukhois from its bases in Pune, Barelley, Chabua, Jodhpur and Tezpur. HAL says it had communicated officially to the IAF the need for providing shelters. The matter was also taken up during Quality Assurance meets and Commanders' Conference.
HAL claims that all Sukhois at their Nashik Division (manufacturing base only) are kept under shelters, while the IAF uses canvass covers to protect them from UV rays, rain and dust. "The UV rays will have faster aging and hardening effect on the rubber and other non-metallic parts, which can lead to more premature failure, in the longer run. The canvass can only protect the aircraft from UV rays, but not the heat, which can harm avionics parts," sources said.
A Sukhoi pilot told Express that small dust particles will get deposited on engine blades, if they are exposed to the sun.

Tomorrow in Express: Sun-stroke effects, experts' view in detail
 

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Shelterless Sukhois suffering from sunstroke?

BANGALORE: Sukhois (Su-30 MKI) don't have shelters. India's frontline fighters are suffering from a possible sunstroke. This came to light after Express launched an investigation following the fighter's crash near Pune recently. Along with a list of suspects — Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (blamed for serious quality issues), the Russians (whose design flaws are under scanner ) — the Indian Air Force (IAF) will have to do some answering for "exposing" the fighters.
Express consulted several serving and retired Sukhoi pilots, engineers in HAL, current and former IAF officials and even experts with military airworthiness to verify the findings: If Sukhois are exposed to the sun for a long period, malfunctions will occur. When contacted for a response, all that an email reply from IAF's media managers said was: "Maintenance shelters have been procured at our airbases solely on the IAF's initiative and more of these are being procured to cater to the varied environmental conditions of our country."
HAL says it had communicated to the IAF the need for shelters. The matter was also taken up during quality assurance meets and Commanders' Conference.
HAL claims that all Sukhois at their Nashik Division are kept under shelters, while the IAF uses canvas to protect them from UV rays, rain and dust. "UV rays will have faster ageing and hardening effect on rubber and non-metallic parts, which can lead to premature failure in the long run. Canvas bars UV rays but not heat, which can harm avionics parts," sources said. A Sukhoi pilot said dust� particles will get deposited on engine blades if they are exposed to heat and dust. (Tomorrow: Sun-stroke effects in detail)

Shelterless Sukhois suffering from sunstroke? - southindia - Bangalore - ibnlive

lol this is main reasons for crashes!!!!!!!!!!!!!:confused:
 

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IAF had enough time to build shelters for Sukhois

Exposed Sukhois are in the danger of having nick marks on the engine blades, though the thrust vector part is generally covered. With a transparent (opaque) canopy, the heat gets settled inside, slowly, but surely impacting on multiple non-metallic parts, including those linked to ejection systems. While the Indian Air Force (IAF) failed to give a detailed response to our queries, sources flying and feeding the Sukhois told Express that the shelter-less state of affairs of a modern fighter is 'shocking.'HAL officials are amused as to why the IAF didn't bother to provide shelters to the fighters' biggest bases at Pune and Barelley. "The IAF had enough time from 2002 onwards to put up shelters in Pune. Weather has an impact on the fighters if they are parked outside," sources said. HAL's first official communication, expressing serious concerns, is said to have been sent to the IAF's Maintenance Command in October 2010. The IAF operates over 150 Sukhois from its bases in Pune, Barelley, Chabua, Jodhpur and Tezpur.
Sources said that even lightning strike didn't spare a Sukhoi in 2009 causing serious emergency. "The aircraft suffered structural damages, which is unheard of in modern times. All these are definitely pointing towards quality and design issues. If we don't address them now and take corrective steps, it will be a bad publicity for the IAF, HAL, and to both friendly nations of India and Russia. At what cost are we losing them?" a veteran pilot, who were among the first to fly the Sukhois, said.
An official with the Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification (CEMILAC) says that the all Russian aircraft are designed for safe operations in minus temperatures. "If the Sukhois are parked outside, even with a canvass cover, it cannot escape from the trapped temperature inside, which will be very high as compared to the reflected temperature. We don't have much insight into the Russian qualification process," the official said. He claimed that for Indian military platforms (Tejas, Dhruv, Sitara) the rubber parts are tested and qualified to a maxim temperature of 71 degrees Celsius.
Air Marshal (Retd) T.S. Randhawa, an expert with Sukhoi platforms, said that the IAF is already in the process of getting shelters. "We understand that there can be an effect due to exposing the fighter to sun. The weather varies – like hot, cold, dust, breeze and over a longer period of time, YES, there could be an impact. But, these fighters are serviced as per the IAF SOPs," he said.
SUNBURN: The possible confirmed negative effects Sukhois will have, if exposed to sun for a longer time:


Flexing on fuel tanks leading to leakages
Effect on avionics resulting in premature failures
Impact on ejection system due to transparent canopy
Damage to fabric material of pilot seats
Wakening of harness units
Nick marks on engine blades due to dust particles



IAF had enough time to build shelters for Sukhois | idrw.org
 

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Wait a second - Sukhois are kept out in the sun and that may cause material degradation? What are they using? Cheap plastic? Have you seen cars crashing because they are left out in the sun? Have you seen naval ships sinking because they get too much sun? A systems failure because of "sunstroke"? What the f**k is the quadruple redundant FBW for then?
Also, why would this happen right after a servicing? Where did they do the "servicing" middle of the day in an open field for a month?
IMHO, it might be a combination of design problems (Sukhoi) not optimized for Indian conditions, shoddy manufacturing practices (HAL) due to lack of quality consciousness and bad maintenance (IAF/ HAL) during and in between servicing.
Weather SHOULD NOT be held accountable for sh!t like this.
 

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