The Wrong Enemy - Carlotta Gall's Book on Pakistan

[Adux]

I'd be rather optimist than blind and ignorant and beainwashed by media.

Open up your eyes and look beyond cheap rhetorics.

That opening of yours have shown you 'the strategic location', sad. pathetic

 

[Neo]

That opening of yours have shown you 'the strategic location', sad. pathetic

How us that sad or pathetic mate?
Please elaborate.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Strategic location! Nothing strategic cause they have only two ports. Their airports are attacked by terrorists. Their roads are not safe cause of suicide bombing. Their forests are not safe cause of drone attacks. Their mosques and temples and churches not safe cause of bomb attacks
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indeed a strategic place for testing of new missiles and bombs.

 

[kseeker]

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indeed a strategic place for testing of new missiles and bombs.

Indeed. Well said :thumb:

 

[Adux]

How us that sad or pathetic mate?
Please elaborate.

Because it is not even anything, there is nothing strategic about Pakistan. What axis does Pakistan control? India, Afghanistan, China Iran, Arabian Sea? What? Central Asia route? There are many alternate routes? Including Iran, China, Russia,
Does Pakistan have Oil?
Is the territory current day Pakistan stable and secure, which would make it take advantage of this 'hallucinated' strategic location?

Pakistan is a AIDS ridden Old whore in Brothel, that nobody has the 'heart' to kill

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[Adux]

India on the other hand is the true strategic location

It is land like carrier, which controls the Indian Ocean, It controls the Malacca strait and it controls what happens in South Asia, It is stable, rich and powerful.

What does Pakistan show in front of this? Absolutely nothing.
Ports? There are many which can connect from Iran, China, Russia
Central asian states and Afghanistan can use Iran as their port of choice.

 

[bennedose]

Pakistan has no strategic location worth the paper it's mentioned on. It is simply a strip of land bordered by India on one side and deserts and mountains on the other side. Singapore has a better strategic location than Pakistan. But to Pakistan's credit they have convinced the Americans who are pretty damn dumb that Pakis can be useful. Now the Americans worry that if they don't pay Pakistan - nukes will go to Al Qaeda. Expect a fake terror atack on a nuclear facility to scare the shit out of the gringos.

What I find even more funny and satisfying is how the Pakis allow Uighur terrorits to train in Pakistan and then put sad faces in front of the Chinese who are turning out to be every bit as stupid as Americans. This nonsnse has not gone very far in 67 years and wil not go much further. If there were "startegic routes" through Pakistan - we ought to have seen some by now. All that Pakistan has sown is that it is a strateic route to Afghanistan. If Pakis keep Afghanistan on the boil and attacking the US, the US will keep paying Pakistan to serve as a strategic route to Afghanistan.

What is funny for me is that all this started with India and Kashmir. Pakis tried to take Kashmir and failed. then they started worrying that India wil attack their toilet bowl nation and looked for"strategic depth" in Afghanistan. Zia started undermining Afghanistan when they became pro-Soviet. Pakistan sucked the US in and ther has been no looking back. But Kashmir is gone. It's all about Afganistan now.

 

[Virendra]

India on the other hand is the true strategic location

It is land like carrier, which controls the Indian Ocean, It controls the Malacca strait and it controls what happens in South Asia, It is stable, rich and powerful.

What does Pakistan show in front of this? Absolutely nothing.
Ports? There are many which can connect from Iran, China, Russia
Central asian states and Afghanistan can use Iran as their port of choice.

The entire trading sea lane between Persian Gulf and South East Asia goes hugging Indian coast lines. Includes every damn oil tanker ...
Pakistan also has a strategic location, right inside the deluded minds of western diplomats.

What is funny for me is that all this started with India and Kashmir. Pakis tried to take Kashmir and failed. then they started worrying that India wil attack their toilet bowl nation and looked for"strategic depth" in Afghanistan. Zia started undermining Afghanistan when they became pro-Soviet. Pakistan sucked the US in and ther has been no looking back. But Kashmir is gone. It's all about Afganistan now.

Kashmir isn't contiguous to entire Pakistani border, whether at LOC or a redrawn map. PoK's demography, institutions has been altered and defanged enough.
On the other hand Afghanistan is not only more thoroughly contiguous, but also possesses far more potential of spreading instability in Pakistan.
Hence the rush - leave the hanky to hold the falling lungi

 

[Adux]

The entire trading sea lane between Persian Gulf and South East Asia goes hugging Indian coast lines. Includes every damn oil tanker ...
Pakistan also has a strategic location, right inside the deluded minds of western diplomats.

If you look at the videos, they dont think Pakistan is strategically located in today's scenario...

I think, they simply dont know what to do, nor do I think India does.
They rather talk with Pakistan, ( the known devil) than the unknown devil, that is the jihadi's; I for one , see no difference between them.
Pakistan is such a basket case, nobody knows what to do. And nobody has to stomach to nuke the damn place along with the other crazy places in the middle east.

Best thing for India to do is, build a damn wall. and ask Iran, Afghanistan to do the same.

 

[Virendra]

If you look at the videos, they dont think Pakistan is strategically located in today's scenario...

I think, they simply dont know what to do, nor do I think India does.
They rather talk with Pakistan, ( the known devil) than the unknown devil, that is the jihadi's; I for one , see no difference between them.
Pakistan is such a basket case, nobody knows what to do. And nobody has to stomach to nuke the damn place along with the other crazy places in the middle east.

Best thing for India to do is, build a damn wall. and ask Iran, Afghanistan to do the same.

Iran has already fenced their border with Pakistan. No 'ummah' nostalgia there unfortunately
Afghanistan cannot because they have an open border dispute with Pakistan (Duran Line) and many regions up north practically don't recognize a border. Putting a wall/fence would mean many Afghan families would be impacted. That's a tough call for the weak Afghan governments.

 

[Singh]

Iran has already fenced their border with Pakistan. No 'ummah' nostalgia there unfortunately
Afghanistan cannot because they have an open border dispute with Pakistan (Duran Line) and many regions up north practically don't recognize a border. Putting a wall/fence would mean many Afghan families would be impacted. That's a tough call for the weak Afghan governments.

Why would Afghan fence their own territory ?


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[Compersion]

the stability of the Afghanistan in the future is going to be achieved only by deterring misbehavior from the citizens of Pakistan from within Pakistan. the (current) stability of Afghanistan is primarily because of less involvement from the citizens of Pakistan from within Pakistan.

Afghanistan military and the armed forces needs to be more proactive and assertive in using international law and self-defense options especially chasing and eliminating threats coming from across the border. it is better if the border is left open to allow such avenues to be optimized and Pakistan be taught that a prosperous Afghanistan in its interests.

Afghanistan–Pakistan skirmishes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pakistan–United States skirmishes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The less troops there are from NATO in Afghanistan the less impact of the blackmail of Pakistan supply route.

 

[Adux]

The discussion should be, how we can do a controlled implosion of Pakistan. We cannot at any stage afford weapons going to Jihadi's nor can we let the Pakistan army have it.
It is because there is no definitive answer to this question, that USA and also India is taking a soft and stupid approach to Pakistan, and transferring the problem to the next generation.

 

[Virendra]

Why would Afghan fence their own territory ?

Exactly ...not feasible.

 

[Adux]

Exactly ...not feasible.

Exactly the same issues face India and US when it comes to Pakistan, all the routes to bring justice and destroy Pakistan are unfeasible and dangerous. Which is why the half measures from US and India, when they do that, we call that 'sell outs' etc. So lets talk about what can be done to Pakistan, to split it and de nuclearize it, without any nuclear weapons being used and not many Indians dying?

There is no solution, Christine truthful book doesnt give us any options!