The Solution for Pakistan’s Problems: Become Another Iran

Discussion in 'Pakistan' started by sorcerer, Nov 15, 2014.

  1. sorcerer

    sorcerer Senior Member Senior Member

    Apr 13, 2013
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    Maybe what Pakistan needs is more Islamization.
    By Akhilesh Pillalamarri - November 15, 2014

    It is clear that Pakistan’s current state of affairs is simply unsustainable in the long-run. Pakistan’s current path of political and social development is a dead end. Although Pakistan has two main political parties that are quite moderate, these parties have failed quite spectacularly to modernize, industrialize, educate, or develop Pakistan’s society over the past six decades. While Pakistan’s military is largely to blame for retarding Pakistan’s political development, its political elite also shoulders the blame. As in India, Pakistan’s political elite is a largely Westernized group that tends to look after its own interests instead of the holistic development of its country. However, while India’s elite at least imbedded the basic constitutional principles and infrastructure in their country for India to mature, this cannot be said of Pakistan’s elite.

    As a result, Pakistan, with its large population of 200 million, is rapidly heading toward failure. The education of its population is poor and even those with some education have no economic opportunities. Pakistan suffers from enormous, uncontrolled private violence, often of a sectarian nature, in the form of bombings, shootings and riots every day. Its population has also become increasingly radicalized, to the point where the line between ordinary mob violence and fundamentalist activist is becoming increasingly blurred.

    The root of the problem is the fact that the Pakistani government lacks the will, capacity and legitimacy to solve Pakistan’s problems. There are too many important actors in the country that do not respect the civilian parliamentary government. With this fact in mind, the only stable political solution for Pakistan is to transform into an Iranian style Islamic state, with the obvious caveat that there will be some differences due to their different histories and the fact that Pakistan is mainly Sunni.
    Why this controversial solution?
    Pakistan has reached a point where there are so many private actors and institutions within society advocating or going about implementing some form of Islamic fundamentalism that the only way to control them is to institutionalize them.


    Islamic fundamentalism is the only ideology in Pakistan’s society that is broadly acceptable to all its important players and ethnic groups as well as large swathes of the political elite and the military. Therefore, it is the only ideology that can mobilize the masses and institute acceptable modern institutions, which will deemed acceptable because they are Islamized. Although this solution will lead to Pakistan’s international isolation, this may have the effect of forging a stronger Pakistani state domestically, as the whole country struggles together. Countries like India and the United States will undoubtedly oppose this course of action but it is unlikely that Pakistanis would be so irrational as to use their nuclear weapons if such a state arises in Pakistan, because they would spell the death of their experiment. In such a scenario, the military will remain in power and in control of Pakistan’s nuclear assets; functional Pakistani institutions would not be dismantled, but merely Islamized:rolleyes:, as in Iran after 1979. Some Pakistani liberals will of course have a problem with this solution, but they should understand that this is the surest way to Pakistan’s eventual modernization.

    For a country where strong Islamist movements and tendencies to develop, it is necessary to go through a stage where these tendencies are institutionalized. Iran is the best example of this phenomenon. In Iran, the institutionalization of Islam led to Islam in the country becoming increasingly watered down, since clerics in power became worldlier. According to The Economist, the institutionalization of Islam in Iran also did more to secularize Iran than the previous regime since it mixed Islam and politics and demonstrated the drawbacks of this phenomenon. More importantly, as Iranian Nobel Peace Prize winner Shirin Ebadi pointed out, an Islamic state is the best way for an Islamic society to manage the transition between traditionalism and modernism. She notes, that for example, in an Islamic State, the situation for women, :shocked: overall improves. Ebadi says,

    In Iran, “the universities had become Islamic, dedicated to the education of women [and] girls went to class in hijabs. If the universities had been dens of sin in the Shah’s Iran, what were they now? Rehabilitated! Healthy! There was no pretext left for the patriarchs to keep their daughters out of school, and they slowly found themselves in classrooms, and away from their parents. A generation of women whose mothers had been tethered to the house found themselves in cities, reading books.”

    Similar phenomena have been noted in Saudi Arabia and other rich Gulf countries, which despite the harshness of their interpretation of Islam, have produced more modern-minded women :car::doh: than more moderate countries like Pakistan :boom: or Egypt. In such countries, modernization is more suspect because it is seen in opposition to Islam.

    Therefore, Pakistan’s way forward toward modernization and the mass mobilization of its population towards economic growth and away from violence involves the reconciliation of Islam and the state. It is only by mainstreaming aspects of extremism and Islam can violent, subversive private radicalization be tamed.
    When harnessed and institutionalized, such tendencies can work towards the development of society, however disagreeable, instead of undermining it. It is unlikely that this change will come in Pakistan through the victory of a territorial group such as the Taliban since this would involve its improbable victory over existing institutions like military. Rather, it is more likely that an internal political event or revolution within Pakistan will either suddenly or gradually turn it into a fundamentalist state and existing institutions will be Islamized. Though this sounds problematic, it is actually the best solution for Pakistan in the long run.
    It may work when Pakistan understands whats islam.
    Does Pakistan understand Islam in the first place?


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  3. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

    Apr 17, 2009
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    Pakistan is in the throes of a serious crisis of identity.

    None can help Pakistan since it has become a terminal case of intense schizophrenia.
  4. jus

    jus Senior Member Senior Member

    Mar 31, 2014
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    The Solution for Pakistan’s Problems: Become Another NORTH KOREA :rofl: (under army ruler)

    On topic

    for Idiot Akhilesh Pillalamarri ........ Iran stand on their feet even though international isolation is thanks to HUGE HUGE OIL RESERVES.So comparing both countries is wrong

    Pork!stan only have natural reserves of 200mn BORN TERRORISTS,but is any country ready to buy them

    Nkorea is existing thanks to China,so noko option also gone.Only solution Pork!'s has is SOMALIA2 :laugh::laugh:
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  5. Prometheus

    Prometheus Regular Member

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    If there is money, there is stability .... when there is no money there is instability. The only problem with Pakistan is that it puts its military ( and I am not saying Kashmir, because the Military will continue to propagate the "We NEED Kashmir" myth, because that is their only means of survival) before anything else. It doesn't matter how radicalized or patriot your populous is, if they have jobs and food and shelter, if money dries up people start fighting over limited resources, and can find any reason to fight. JOBS is the key word!.
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  6. IBSA

    IBSA Regular Member

    Nov 16, 2011
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    Iran is a country 5000 years old, so it has historical experience and maturity to be a stable country, while Pak has only 70 years. He is a teen in world :laugh:

    Iran has a tradition of human rights and values since the Cyrus Cylinder, one of first legal codes, while Pak has no respect for people, be women, religious minorities, etc.

    By end, Iran is natural resources rich and are well located in a place that crosses several trade routes since antiquity, what favors development and exchanges with others countries.

    So, Pak will never be an Iran. Nor even reaches its knees.
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  7. ezsasa

    ezsasa Senior Member Senior Member

    Jul 12, 2014
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    Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India
    Pakistan can never be Iran. To add to the list of things pakistan does not have, one is total control over its own territory and second is true leadership.
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  8. sydsnyper

    sydsnyper Senior Member Senior Member

    Jul 20, 2013
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    Iran can stand on its two legs, OIL and OIL, what do the pakis have.

    Also, Iran is more homogeneous ethnically and culturally are persians. This identification binds them together as a country.

    pakis are a bitter confused lot, ancestrally Hindus, wannabe arabs culturally and expert superpower butthole lickers... no wonder they are in the mess they are.

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