the prototype of Navy version of J11 roll out?

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It's easy to understand.if another country buy chinese weapon and then copy it and develop a similar system to compete with original one in market,we will be very angry as well.that's the same mood of Russia
 

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It's easy to understand.if another country buy chinese weapon and then copy it and develop a similar system to compete with original one in market,we will be very angry as well.that's the same mood of Russia
nice to see ya man, great to be accepting the truth.
 
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its the same reason china choose su27,not mig 29,and so is the su33,migs are sick with short leg,i thihk russia clearly know about tis too,than why give this option to india?even next generation navy bird will not chose migs by russian herslfe,unless russia deside to build a small ac ! indian money save the MIG co.
 

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nice to see ya man, great to be accepting the truth.
I never deny it.but another truth is that very few country has the ability of coping and fully absorbing the technology of prototype.China can do it and thanks to this ability,Chinese military industry raise very quickly ,and can do R&D work by ourselves for original creation equipment
 

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its the same reason china choose su27,not mig 29,and so is the su33,migs are sick with short leg,i thihk russia clearly know about tis too,than why give this option to india?even next generation navy bird will not chose migs by russian herslfe,unless russia deside to build a small ac ! indian money save the MIG co.
sure!but maybe the MIG29K is more suitable for Indian A.C.if their Aircraft Carrier equip with big-size su33.maybe the number of planes will drop down peakly.
 

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migs are sick with short leg,i thihk russia clearly know about tis too,than why give this option to india?even next generation navy bird will not chose migs by russian herslfe,unless russia deside to build a small ac ! indian money save the MIG co.
you are right about the basic mig 29s 'cos russians designed it for air defence riole and not for air superiority role. but the mig 29k are different. their fuel capacity has increased and so their range too. read about it and you will know.
 

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Wow I asked a question on the number of missiles and the discussion turned to Su 33 vs MiG 29k so all agree here that J 11 is a dud without getting tech from Su 33?
 
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russia will not chose mig29k as nvay birds ,so you really tust that MIG co.will be there 10years later ,and MIG CO.are in stuck compareing with the SU,you mean the fuel capacity
is 5100,1000more then the mig29s,i just google it ,
 

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Had u read what my point was.
 

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russia will not chose mig29k as nvay birds ,so you really tust that MIG co.will be there 10years later ,and MIG CO.are in stuck compareing with the SU,you mean the fuel capacity
is 5100,1000more then the mig29s,i just google it ,
None of that really matters on a ski jump carrier. What matters is the maximum combat load that can be achieved with the shortest takeoff. MiG-29K is 240m while Su-33 is 550m. As it stands today, Su-33 cannot take off with a full fuel and kombat load. MiG-29K will be close to her kombat load which will give her more operational range than an Su-33.

P.S. Russia already chose MiG-29K.
 

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The Su-33 has a 30,000 kgs max take-off weight from a carrier(from janes). It's empty weight is around 18000kgs. A mig-29k's empty weight is around 12700-13000kgs. It's max take off is 24,500. It's max takeoff from a carrier is only said to be sightly lower than the Max take-off.

The Su-33 is superior to the Mig-29k. In terms of payload, and range, Su-33 is marginally better. In terms of Avionics and hardpoints, it will be clearly and undisputably better IF the Su-33 were upgraded. In landing, their landing speeds will be about the same because of canards on the Su-33 making it almost immune to high AoA problems which happens at low speeds.
We will be operating a medium sized carrier, so don't imagine Mig-29k to be better than Su-33. It is not. Even Thrust to weight ratio if both the planes are loaded equally, will go for the Su-33. Being a die hard fulcrum fan, it is hard to accept this. :( But the consolation is, it is only slightly better than the Mig-29k. Given the fact that we can fit in more number of Mig-29 inside a carrier than a Su-33, it levels out the playing field, or even maybe it's even advantage fulcrum. Size and numbers does matter. ;) A carrier is not a airfield when adding additional bunkers will suffice. The space available inside a carrier is constant and cannot be extended by addition of additional bunkers like in Land based fighters.
Ofcourse all this is only for Su-33. Only God knows what kind of fighter the chinese(who prefer self-sufficiency than quality) are making.

BTW, Landing speeds of Mig-29/Su-33 generally range from 260-330 km/hr(1 knot = 1.85 km/hr). 260 is landing in a clean configuration with minimal fuel, and 330 for maximum bring in load. Any higher, I mean just imagine stopping a 20000 Kilogram plane traveling at 330km/hr(or if you can't imagine that, imagine your car which is traveling at 300kms and brought to a stop suddenly). The stresses and G forces will be f()cking enormous. Higher than 330 is possible, but the plane's airframe won't last long.
 

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I mean just imagine stopping a 20000 tonne plane traveling at 330km/hr(or if you can't imagine that, imagine your car which is traveling at 300kms and brought to a stop suddenly). The stresses and G forces will be f()cking enormous. Higher than 330 is possible, but the plane's airframe won't last long.
That is hard to imagine, stopping an aircraft carrier landing on an aircraft carrier at 330km. The stresses would be f-ing enormous. :sarcastic:
 

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Chinese J-11 has different configurations:
J-11A -- The Su-27SK standards assembled with Russian kits.
J-11A upgrade -- Radar and avionics upgraded to B standards
J-11B -- With different inner structure, more composite, engine, radar, avionics and etc.

The most distinct advantage of Chinese J-11B is the reduced empty weight, less than 15.4 tons. Chinese J-15 or the Su-33 equivalent, is equal to or slightly heavier than 11B due to the added canards and some intensified structures.

The prototype J-15 is built with 31-f but will use 2x WS-10A with a max thrust of 132kN.

In addition Chinese carriers will install steamed cutapults so weight won't be a big problem.
 

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CJDBY is a famous chinese military forum...Just now someone posted a thread and suggests that the prototype of navy version of J11 has rolled out.

here are some translated key points:

1. the prototype of navy version of Chinese indigenious J11 has rolled out.but it will still take long time to finish all tests.

2. the navy version of J11 looks like Su33.but its inner structure and components are different from Su33.

3.Because it is the derivative of J11B, its configure is more advanced than Su33.

4.the aircraft catapult for AC can not be finished for time being.


5. the prototype has good ratio of T/W 。so it can take off /land on AC without the help of aircraft catapult...

:tank:
Without catapult? J11 B doesn't have STOVL. That's exaggeration


Nevertheless, J-11 B is a potent platform. :goodstuff:
 

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Without catapult? J11 B doesn't have STOVL. That's exaggeration


Nevertheless, J-11 B is a potent platform. :goodstuff:
well, SAC has lost the contract of J-XX,so he has to prove itself with the project of navy J11. otherwise ,SAC might have a hard time.
 

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well, SAC has lost the contract of J-XX,so he has to prove itself with the project of navy J11. otherwise ,SAC might have a hard time.
Lets be reasonable here man. Even with an improved WS-10 engine, you cannot achieve STOVL. So that "without catapult" claim in BS.
 

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