The Myth of American Exceptionalism

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  1. Adux

    Adux Senior Member Senior Member

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    You cant even yearn to earn recognition because you are some tiny speck of inconsequential landmass whose impact on the world is as good as not spoken about, wastage of oxygen. The only option for you little one's is to be a bitch of somebody else. We one the other hand, arent cut from the same cloth. So keep your politics of little people to yourself.
     
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  2. asianobserve

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    Oh, don't be so mean to us small countries from SEA. Taken together we represent the most productive section of the World. And if you have regional ambitions you better start courting us since we are a formidable bloc. BTW, if you want to be recognised and respected as a superpower (which is what you want judging from your dream of parity, your preferred term is "equality," with US) in Asia, you better start treating us smaller countries with respect (we don't yearn for "equality") because we can give you headaches if you don't. Just note at what's happening to China in our region after it start elbowing our smaller neighbors. 8)
     
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    But to tell you the truth we SEA countries are very satisfied with the stability provided by the US to our region. At the moment no other country (or superpower) can match the benefits provided by US umbrella, not China (which proved too much of a bully too early), and certainly not India, at least not yet. I don't see this power dynamics changing in our region in the foreseeable future.
     
  4. Adux

    Adux Senior Member Senior Member

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    Then play nice.


    But you arent. It means diddly sqwat. So it is like saying if Russia, Europe and Asia were together. What then.

    Nope you arent a bloc, whoever we want from your side of the world, is already with us. So Malaysia, you can court yourself.

    Who said anything about Asia.
    I like the way you all of a sudden went to 'our' region. Its not yours. Now all of a sudden you want to be 'EQUAL'
    And unlike the Islamist cesspool that is Malaysia, we already have countries in that part of the region as our allies, and we do see them equally and do give them their space. To be honest, nobody in the region actually like you. But no malaysian is going to come to an Indian forum, start dictating, be sarcastic and use smiliey's on an Indian forum, you dont have the capacity to cash that cheque.

    And regarding what is happening to China, we are there to give you support, without us, you are just a fly to be sqwated by the Chinese. US is there for you today, and it will most probably be us tomorrow along with them. India unlike the US do see each other with equality and compassion. We take that quite seriously.
     
  5. Adux

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    No it isnt, but it is also a fact, that China is a landmass in the region, as it power grows, it is going to compete with the US for space in SEA region, they wont have the over-whelming superiority they have today. They need allies, they need India. We have the same goals, and unlike the Chinese, US nor India wants to own South East Asia. Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Vietnam, USA, Australia and India. I dont see this effectively take place before 2025.
     
  6. asianobserve

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    Huh?! What support are you offering SEA against China? Man, you're a dreamer. You are not a guarantor of our region's stability, never has been, although could be in the far future if you just stop being too dillusional. :rofl:

    And we are not in a hurry to change US for any superpower. YOu noticed how practically all SEA countries raced to close ranks with the US when China started showing bad attitutde in the region? You see, US is viewed here as a relatively safe power. We are arming ourselves to pitch in the effort of containing China as we recognize America at the moment is not the all deep pocketed it once were (we have deep pockets now although we would prefer to spend our wads in other objects that directly impacts the lives of our people, not far away dream of grandeurs).
     
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  7. asianobserve

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    BTW, if you have grand ambitions, which no doubt you (at least you Adux) have in South Asia, you better start pulling out of poverty your billions of people. They're until now your biggest drag... :tsk:
     
  8. Adux

    Adux Senior Member Senior Member

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    What the eff is SEA? There is no SEA, just some individual countries in Pacific Ocean and China Sea's
    Vietnam and Japan. Watch that space. While you are at it, trying googling though not from SEA for Mongolia. We are making our moves.
    You must read about the Chola Empire, We use to own and control that piece of real estate and your ass.
    We arent, but we are not going to listen to stupid mutterings from a nobody either.
    We arent either, watch the space for 2030-40.
    Which is exactly what we wanted.
    No questions, we would like them to be around till we are fully ready.
    Who is 'we', there is NO 'we'. You arent spending money on defense, because your paltry money that you can spare can do diddly sqwat against angry nuclear naval might of China. You have power only if you align with the big boys.
     
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  9. Adux

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    Ah! Dont worry about our poor, worry about yours. And 'billions' of people! You must 'bagdad bob's ' statistics of the world. As long as we are spending 3% of our GDP defense like we have been for the past 10 years, I think we will do fine.
     
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    Indonesians and Thais have more Sanskritsed names than Indians.The whole S.E asia reminds me of India lost in time
     
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    american rise and fall is not unique so the exception-ism is a cooked up thing, not to worry or think much its part and parcel of every rising and falling civilization.

    hard work, good policies and mindfulness of leaders make a nation climb up the ladder of glory. and these qualities are exceptions( comparing with those who couldnt make it to the top).

    democracy is the best way for powerful nation and curse for developing nations( otherway when developed and developing comes into contact).
    a democratic developing nation do not have strong institutions and in the absence of them they always get cheated.

    america err usa rose up fast like present day china and it gave the leaders of corporate world to handle the foreign policies who takes best steps to favor their companies and indirectly the nation. and this is the only EXCEPTION with usa. dynamic foreign policy.
     
  12. asianobserve

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    If your statement above is representative of the attitude what you dream will be an Indian superpower in 30-40 yrs time then I'm not impressed. You'll go down China's lonely path. :tsk:
     
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    For people like you it is quite apt. Show respect, get respect.
     
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    Self-deleted not to give anymore importance to Adux.
     
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    Man, you are bloody hung up on this "India giving permanent seat to China" statement, which you bring in every damn discussion about India, China and US. It was a mistake and yes, Nehru is a fool for doing this. Even we acknowledge that fact. But that's in the past, so nothing can be done about it.. Grow some grey matter and stop quoting from the past for a change.
     
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    Being America's poodle certainly has its benefits, ain't it. But to say that that every nations that wants to grow rich and modern should be an American stooge is a really stupid analogy.

    Why we chose not to side with the US was because the founding of our nation was based on socialist ideals which were a stark contrast with that of America. India is a huge country, not a tiny speck of land like Japan and Korea, full of people from different ethnic, religious and social backgrounds. In 1947, itself the population was 350 million, most of whom were poor people. Do you really think it would have been worth for us to side with a capitalist power ? In fact, back then Americans had no respect for us poor third world people. We believed that our destiny was in our own hands and hence we would build this country on our own self as much as we can, plus with financial and technological help from others (USSR). They served our interest then, hence we sided with them. They helped us with basic and advanced civil infrastructure, gave billions for development of our industries and economy, they gave us soft loans, TOT on various technologies that we direly needed. Do you think the US would done the same then ? NO !

    But that was 60 years ago, situations have changed a lot since then and now we see India and US seeing convergence on a variety of issues since it serves our interests now. And it will only increase in the near future.

    "Equality" in this context means that we become a superpower on our own terms. That's how US also became a superpower. Nothing else.
     
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    India not treating smaller countries with respect ?? That's the biggest joke of the century ! If India has no respect for others, there wouldn't have been a NAM. Even our history from the past thousands of years shows how we existed amicably, peacefully with countries from all over Asia, especially East Asia. India, whenever it does become a super power will probably be known as the most gentle of all superpowers that have existed before it and those that will still exist !

    Look at our growing relationship with Vietnam, Singapore and Myanmar.

    About our engagement with ASEAN:

    http://csis.org/files/media/csis/pubs/0404qindia_eastasia.pdf

    India bids for closer East Asia ties for regional integration | The Japan Times Online

    Asia Times Online :: South Asia news - India rediscovers East Asia

    http://www.asean.org/5738.htm
     
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    Not if people that share my views are at the helm. I'd squat them like little worms.
     
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    Vijayee Bhava!
     

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