The Kargil War

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Who is hiding their soldiers death are clarified in the past back in 1999 and still your army hides casualties on the LOC, ask your @adgpi. Additional Directorate General of Public Information, IHQ of MoD (Army), they know well recently they hide a IED blast and many of your army soldiers killed and it was not reported in media but was on social media. :rofl:

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Listen idiot, we have made Kargil War Memorial where the names of all 527 Indian Martyrs are written who lost their life during Kargil War. Not a single family complained that their son's name is missing from memorial. So yes, we aren't hiding the casualties of our jawans.

Now, if you had a brain, you would have questioned your Pakistan Army why they never made a Kargil War memorial for Pakistani soldiers killed there. Now please don't say Pakistan Army is bhikari to make a memorial which costs just few lakhs rupees to construct. Its because your army don't even have the guts to write the name of more than 4000 Pakistani soldiers killed in Kargil War.

Even if we assume that Pakistan builds a Kargil War Memorial in an obviously impossible future with the names of 453 Pakistan soldiers killed (as per their official record), they would soon get caught with thousands of Pakistani families asking why their sons' names is missing from the Kargil War memorial.

This is the reason why your Pakistan Army never made a Kargil War Memorial, but continues to thump their chest on their imaginary victory. A country who don't even owns their death soldiers are not even worth a penny.
 

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When you hear or read bitter truth, no doubt some people resort to the abuses. This condition implies on you. :lol:
Do you know the meaning of Bitter?

Pakistan Lost Kargil War with 4000 dead. Thats was one of the sweetest moment for us Indians. Dead Paki is always a celebration time for Indians. here some of the specimen caught alive:
Look at their faces :pound:

Something similar was done in 1971


But nothing is better to look than dead pakis:

 

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What's with these Madrasa literate Paki trolls?

They can't even seem to get hold of a decent Urdu-English translation software but yet infest international forums like vermin and keep posting like they are in hurry to get their 72 .

Guess that is what happens when you are too weak to be a Mujahid and yet not dumb enough to be a suicide bomber. Become a Paki troll working from some dingy madrasa in Lahore, Pindi or Karachi and start posting useless stuff with emoticons.
 

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What's with these Madrasa literate Paki trolls?

They can't even seem to get hold of a decent Urdu-English translation software but yet infest international forums like vermin and keep posting like they are in hurry to get their 72 .

Guess that is what happens when you are too weak to be a Mujahid and yet not dumb enough to be a suicide bomber. Become a Paki troll working from some dingy madrasa in Lahore, Pindi or Karachi and start posting useless stuff with emoticons.


Don't know why but I found this unexplainably funny

Reminds me we need to ban all madrasa in India
 

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Who is hiding their soldiers death are clarified in the past back in 1999 and still your army hides casualties on the LOC, ask your @adgpi. Additional Directorate General of Public Information, IHQ of MoD (Army), they know well recently they hide a IED blast and many of your army soldiers killed and it was not reported in media but was on social media. :rofl:

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Can you share that news here? Well there was an IED blast in POK too but PA did not reveal that. I am sure you are aware of that too.
 

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Sept 4 (APP): Sepoy Bajinder Singh, the Indian soldier who was recently captured by Pakistan army in an abortive Indian attack on Pakistani position along the Line of Control (LoC), has said New Delhi had lost about 10,000 soldiers in Kargil crisis. "They (Indian authorities) are telling lie that only 400 soldiers were killed in Kargil, they are hiding the actual causalities to avoid wrath of the Indian nation," he said in a statement.

He said scores of Indian soldiers were injured in the Kargil conflict. He said the hospitals in India were overflowing with the wounded. Bajinder Singh said India army's top brass has been forcing junior soldiers to fight in held Kashmir and at LoC. The Indian Sepoy said the soldiers posted at LoC were living in a very miserable condition. "They are not given proper food and other facilities." Lance Naik Ram Singh in his statement praised Pakistan army for displaying courage and bravery in the Kargil standoff. "They fought like lions, we could not face them," he added.

He also blasted Indian leaders for, "their indifference towards the plight of the soldiers." "They are sitting in New Delhi and do not know about our problems, they are plunging us into a war, rendering scores of women widows."

Now, who is lying and Mendacious? :pound:

Independent report too quotes less, but I know you wont trust the first and is accurate though here is the second one.
4,000 Army soldiers killed, 390 suicides since Kargil

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/army-4000-soldiers-killed-390-suicides-since-kargil/20121126.htm
:pound::pound::pound: Thank you for the entertainment. I was having a bad day and this post sure cracked me up! You guys are well on your way to reaching North Korea status. Pay special attention from 2:00 . You lot are at that level.


BTW :rofl:@ 'fought like lions'. Do you want to see the video of PA surrendering @ Kargil?


Btw note the dignity with which Indian army handles fallen soldiers even of their enemies. As opposed to uncouth and unclultured.. er.. you know who. You will now say this is graaapixx phootashaap. :laugh:
 

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#Pak's top diplomat in #US was laughed at by audience when he repeatedly insists there are no #SafeSanctuaries for terrorists in country.

I would love to see a You Tube video on this!! Are there any??? :confused1: :laugh:
 

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Who is hiding their soldiers death are clarified in the past back in 1999 and still your army hides casualties on the LOC, ask your @adgpi. Additional Directorate General of Public Information, IHQ of MoD (Army), they know well recently they hide a IED blast and many of your army soldiers killed and it was not reported in media but was on social media. :rofl:

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ROFL.
He was a POW of course he will say what he was made to say.
We also did same to your POWs:
 

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Sept 4 (APP): Sepoy Bajinder Singh, the Indian soldier who was recently captured by Pakistan army in an abortive Indian attack on Pakistani position along the Line of Control (LoC), has said New Delhi had lost about 10,000 soldiers in Kargil crisis. "
Abe ch***** if he is in your custody ispr can say any figure from its ass. Still you have not seen the fake bunker video by ispr which our news proved to be uploaded to you tube 2 weeks before your ispr claim , sill you get fooled around abd come here to tell your crap. By the way modt of the terrorist were your regular army.

After capture of tiger hill mussarruf had no choice but to asj for cease fire as the war was already lost. Hence he sent Nawaz to US for begging cease fire.
 

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yes india lost kargil war that is why nawaz besharam ran to clinton to save his ass

musharraf did coup and pakistan faced universal humiliation and india celebrates Vijay divas

jihadi logic :

2+2= 22 , allah-ho-akbar

one of the most massive retaliation after saurav kalia:

On 12 June 1999, Pakistani Foreign Minister Sartaj Aziz hastily arrived in New Delhi, ostensibly to discuss ways of ending the Kargil War. Aziz, who deeply resents India, had landed with a single agenda – he implored India to “stop its airstrikes”.

Here was a conservative hawk, who is known to attack India in the most vicious manner, begging New Delhi to call off the Indian Air Force’s (IAF) round-the-clock barrage on Pakistani positions. You don’t get more desperate than that.

Aziz’s desperation was a result of the incredible display of firepower that the IAF – in tandem with the Indian Army’s 24/7 artillery barrage – had brought to bear on the Pakistanis. The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) F-16s had been repeatedly buzzed by India’s MiG-29s, and the PAF pilots had simply refused to offer combat. This had allowed the Indian Army and the IAF’s ground attack jets to blast away with impunity.

Aziz hadn’t come to buy peace; he had come to buy time, and Pakistan Army lives. It wasn’t ‘international’ (read American) pressure that made him dash to New Delhi but the desire to save the Pakistani military establishment from a humiliating 1971 war-like defeat. Had Aziz known that India was hours away from bombing Pakistan, he would have probably offered Baluchistan in exchange.

The IAF over Kargil

The IAF had deployed 16 fighter jets, mostly MiGs, to carry out attacks deep into then enemy territory. Although the final clearance to cross the Line of Control (LoC) in Kashmir was never given by the political leadership, the IAF was able to inflict considerable damage on Pakistani forces while operating within the confines of its own airspace.

Employing its massive airpower against the Pakistan Army’s positions at the Himalayan heights of 18,000 feet – unprecedented in the history of aerial warfare, the IAF achieved three key objectives: an early Indian victory, demoralising the Pakistani military and showing the limitations of nuclear deterrence.

Because of the aerial superiority achieved by the IAF in the war – and later during the 2002 border standoff – the PAF’s “psyche took a big beating”, says a Strategy Page report.

While a number of IAF aircraft took part in the Kargil campaign, it was the cover provided by the MiG-29 Fulcrum armed with beyond visual range (BVR) missiles that exposed the PAF’s plight. “Analyses by Pakistani experts revealed that when the rubber met the road, PAF simply refused to play any part in support of the Pakistan Army, angering the latter,” says the report.





“While PAF fighters did fly combat air patrols (CAP) during the conflict, they stayed well within Pakistani air space. On occasions, IAF MiG-29s armed with the deadly R-77 BVR air-to-air missiles were able to lock onto PAF F-16s, forcing the latter to disengage. In the absence of a PAF threat, the IAF was able to deliver numerous devastating strikes on intruder positions and supply dumps.”




The situation changed little during the 2002 border crisis between India and Pakistan. Strategy Page adds:





“One Pakistani military expert observed that the PAF’s perceived inability to defend the country’s airspace and even put up a token fight against the IAF was the biggest driver for Pakistani leaders’ warnings that any Indian attack would lead to an immediate nuclear strike by Islamabad. It would be no exaggeration to say that after the Kargil and 2002 experiences, PAF’s psyche took a big beating.”




Calibrated counter offensive

In the report ‘Airpower at 18,000 feet: IAF in the Kargil War‘, published by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in 2012, Benjamin Lambeth explains in detail how the IAF ground down both the Pakistan Army and the PAF:





“Throughout the campaign, whenever IAF reconnaissance or ground attack operations were under way in the immediate combat zone, Western Air Command ensured that MiG-29s or other air-to-air fighters were also airborne on combat air patrol stations over the ground fighting on India’s side of the LoC to provide top cover against any attempt by the PAF to enter the fray in a ground attack role. PAF F-16s to the west typically maintained a safe distance of 10 to 20 miles on the Pakistani side of the LoC, although they occasionally approached as close as eight miles away from the ongoing ground engagements.”




Lambeth quotes Air Marshal (retired) Vinod Patney, the then head of Western Air Command:





“I think my insistence to mount CAPs across the (command’s entire area of responsibility) at different heights and times to give the message that I was ready and angling for an enlarged conflict helped. It was akin to throwing a glove, but it was not picked up.”




Although IAF fighters never joined in aerial combat with the PAF F-16s due to the Atal Bihari Vajpayee government’s strict injunction that Indian forces not cross the LoC, years later Chief of the Air Staff (COAS) Anil Tipnis recalled he had “personally authorised his escorting fighter pilots to chase any Pakistani aircraft back across the LoC in hot pursuit were those pilots to be engaged by enemy fighters in aerial combat”.

Operation Vijay

From the very beginning of the conflict, India had exposed the Pakistani military’s limitations. In the early hours of 26 May 1999, six attacks in succession by MiG-21, MiG-23 and MiG-27 fighters were launched against intruder camps, materiel dumps and supply routes in the areas overlooking Dras, Kargil and Batalik.

The MiG-21bis squadron at Srinagar was joined by additional MiG-21M, MiG-23BN and MiG-27ML squadrons while more squadrons of MiG-21M and MiG-29 deployed northward to Avantipur. While the MiG-29s kept the F-16s at bay, the other IAF aircraft carried out ground sorties.

An example of Indian jugaad – or improvisation – was the use of stopwatches and handheld GPS receivers in their cockpits by MiG-21 pilots lacking sophisticated onboard navigation suites. According to Prasun K Sengupta in “Mountain Warfare and Tri-Service Operations”, another novel technique developed by the IAF for use in the campaign entailed selecting weapon impact points so as to create landslides and avalanches that covered intruder supply lines.

Air Marshal Patney said one of his younger pilots decided to carry a small video camera with him in a fighter and to film the area of interest so that an immediate reconnaissance report was available and at an expanded scale. On another instance, the IAF used the MiG-25R – which normally operates at 80,000 feet – in a medium altitude role to improve the resolution of its pictures, something that the aircraft’s Russian designers may not have thought possible.

Laser strikes

However, the MiG-21s, MiG-23s and MiG-27s – lacking modern weapons – were not making a significant impact to locate enemy positions. MiG-23 and MiG-27 pilots were used to manual dive bombing runs, and this tactic wasn’t suited in the rarefied atmosphere of the Himalayas. At this point, the IAF introduced the Mirage 2000H equipped with day and night laser-guided bomb delivery pods.

On 24 June, two Mirage 2000Hs, in the first-ever combat use of laser-guided bombs by the IAF, struck and destroyed the Northern Light Infantry’s command and control bunkers. According to Lambeth, “For this pivotal attack, the IAF waited until the encampment had grown to a size that rendered it strategically ripe for such targeting.

The IAF reported at the end of 1999 that it resulted in as many as 300 enemy casualties within minutes. Radio intercepts by Indian intelligence revealed severe shortages of ration, water, medical supplies and ammunition, as well as an inability of the occupying enemy units to evacuate their wounded, writes DN Ganesh in “Indian Air Force in Action”.

As stated in US air manuals, “Air power produces physical and psychological shock by dominating the fourth dimension of time. Shock results in confusion and disorientation.” At the same time, the Indian Army was pounding away at the Pakistani positions with its heavy artillery. The continuous barrage of bombs exploding around them day and night had a devastating effect on the Pakistani intruders.

That was the tipping point that forced Aziz to rush to New Delhi.

Was the IAF late to the party?

The IAF offensive commenced on 26 May, nearly three weeks after the Indian Army launched operations against the Pakistanis. It is an indication of how little intelligence was made available to the IAF that on 10 May the COAS left on an official visit to Poland and the Czech Republic. In fact, the army seems to have underplayed the seriousness of the intrusions.

Upon his return, the COAS asked the army chief to get political clearance for deploying air power. Political clearance was necessary because as per a 1991 agreement between India and Pakistan, armed aircraft are prohibited from flying 10 km either side of the international border or the LoC. To be sure, such an agreement becomes void during a conflict but nevertheless without New Delhi’s approval the IAF could not launch strikes.

Endgame

Former Pakistani federal minister and Lt-Gen (retd) Abdul Majeed Malik, who was an insider during the then Nawaz Sharif government, says Pakistan suffered more casualties in the limited Kargil conflict than in the full-fledged 1971 War. Sharif himself later admitted the misadventure led to the deaths of 2,700 soldiers of the Pakistan Army’s Northern Light Infantry alone.

Malik says:





“India quickly mobilised its army and air force and inflicted heavy damage to Pakistan. Had the war continued for another couple of months, Pakistan would have faced more damage. In this tough situation when Pakistan was in no position to fight India in that area, the Nawaz Sharif government initiated the diplomatic process by involving the then US president Bill Clinton and got Pakistan out of the difficult scenario.”




The Pakistani generals, who planned the Kargil intrusions, were no different from those responsible for the 1965 and 1971 fiascos. In Kargil, Pakistan initiated the conflict, hoping that India would be restrained by outside powers. India pulled back but only after badly bruising Islamabad.

(Again, on 26 December 2008 – a month after the Mumbai attacks – Pakistani intelligence officials concluded that Indian warplanes were being positioned for an air raid. The country’s national-security adviser at the time, Mahmud Durrani, telephoned American officials in alarm.)

Pakistani diplomat Khalid Mahmood wrote in The News (29 September 1999) that to a “limited extent, the Pakistan planners had formulated an innovative military operation which faltered due to an anticipated and hard-hitting response”.

Pakistan was so acutely embarrassed by the failed invasion that it refused to accept the dead bodies of its soldiers and officers. The Indian Army buried them with honours befitting a soldier. This is the difference between us and them.

However, the most telling statement on the war was made by India’s defence minister George Fernandes. In January 2000, he observed that in precipitating the Kargil War, Pakistan “had not absorbed the real meaning of nuclearisation – that it can deter only the use of nuclear weapons, but not all and any war”.
 
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kargil was a part of pakistan only before 1971 war and india captured it to add to more humiliation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_district

To straighten p the line of control in the area, the Indian Army launched night attacks when the ground temperatures sank to below −17 °C and about 15 enemy posts located at height of 16,000 feet and more were captured.[14] After Pakistan forces lost the war and agreed to the Shimla Agreement, Kargil and other strategic areas nearby remained with India.[15] Kargil became a separate district in the Ladakh region during the year 1979 when it was bifurcated from the Leh district.
 

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'Not convinced India won Kargil war' Lt Gen (retd) Kishen Pal, who headed the Srinagar-based 15 Corps during the 1999 conflict
Do you read your own article? The article is not saying we lost the war but we failed to capitalize on the victory!

“We did gain some tactical victories, we regained back the territories we lost, (but) we lost 587 precious lives,” he said.

“I consider this loss of war because whatever we gained from the war has not been consolidated, either politically or diplomatically, it has not been consolidated militarily,” he added.

Here, keep calm and listen to Najam Sethi

 

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why do you guys feed the troll? best thing for IA is if paki citizenry is kept dumb by their own army. it gives more leeway to hit the chomus without their soldiers getting recognition as martyrs among brainless awaam. this will just give rise to a rebellion one day from within. this is a win-win situation for India
 

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