The J-11D Surprise (and SU-35) : China Upgrades Russian Flanker Fighters On Its Own

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  1. rohit.gr77

    rohit.gr77 Regular Member

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    The number of TRM for Uttam is 736 not 700, get your figures right. Now from where do you claim that your Chinese AESA have 1200 TRM?
     
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    So you think Carlo Kopp is a chinese? And why you think western should know better about Chinese military stuff than China her self? :laugh:
     
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    rohit.gr77 Regular Member

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    Carlo Kopp writes in Chinese? China cannot be trusted for anything. The only thing they are good at is propaganda. So I wouldn't trust any Chinese source claims.
     
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    LOL. Typical Indian delusional mentality.

    Do you agree that the country with most propaganda is those who over hype but cannot show performance she is overhypping. Ring the bell which country is she? :laugh:

    Remember who is over hyping supa pawa, but her performance is really poor as supa pawa in every figure; while the neighbor can show staggering figure of her economy, and technology performance.

    Look at overhyped Tejas, and it end up as 3 gen low performance fighter :lol:
    Look at the low profile j-10that flight from 1998 but the existence was announced 10 year later.
    Have you heard China overhype about 5gen fighter before? West cannot find any information about it until j-20 appear and surprise the world.

    From the view of the above, am I wrong to say that India is the country with most propaganda while China is the otherway round?
     
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    Our media is not controlled by the state as your media is. So guess which country would be better at propaganda, certainly not a country with free media. We never overhyped Tejas, it is our journey towards self-reliance. Whatever it is, it is designed as per our requirements, you can deny as much as you want whine as much as you want. Tejas is not the topic of this discussion, if you want more information on that topic please visit the LCA Tejas thread and read before talking gibberish.
     
  8. Antam1505

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    You are right that china controll the news, but overhypping and self overrating is not her style of propaganda. Chinese propaganda is more related to political.

    Although not fully controlled by gov, India' media tend to overhypping and overatting. On the contrary to sun tzu low profile philosophy applied by china govt. Tejas, and India supa pawa are some examples of indian's overhypping style.
     
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    i'd like to see j11d flying with our own engine and that seems to become real.though su35 with 117s has a better thrust ratio,it is still good to see ws10 being adopted.we are make break through on engine tech
     
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    This fighter jet if not better is equal to SU-35. This is one hell of a machine I hope it is fully developed really soon.
     
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    Pakistani obsession with Sukhoi-35 shows, how bad Chinese Sukhoi Copies are – Indian Defence Research Wing
    Pakistani obsession with Sukhoi-35 shows, how bad Chinese Sukhoi Copies are

    Published August 19, 2018 | By admin

    SOURCE: Rajesh Kumar/ FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

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    Pakistani establishment off late has been actively pursuing Russian Government to allow them to procure unspecified numbers of Su-35 ‘Flanker-E’ multi-role fighter aircraft after Islamabad failed to procure additional F-16s from the United States.

    Pakistani air force at present is made of four different types of fighter aircraft and fly’s Vintage Dassault Mirage-5s, Chinese-manufactured F-7s, Lockheed Martin F-16s and Chinese JF-17 Thunder which they license assembled in Pakistan and is powered by a Russian supplied Klimov RD-93 Afterburning Turbofan engine.

    PAF in its History has never operated Soviet-Russian make of fighter aircraft but in past has operated Shenyang J-6 which is the Chinese-built version of the Soviet MiG-19 ‘Farmer’ fighter aircraft and present operates Chengdu J-7 which is a license-built version of the Soviet Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21.

    In Past due to India growing relations with the United States. Russia finally showed the willingness to sell advanced hardware with Pakistan despite Moscow’s longstanding ties with India which lead to Mi-17-1 and Mi-35M deals with Pakistan. Pakistan now wants to up defense cooperation and procure fighter aircraft directly from Russia. Whats interesting is that Pakistan has shown no interest in procurement of unlicensed copies of Sukhoi fighter aircraft which China already manufactures presently for its air force.

    Shenyang J-11 copy of Sukhoi Su-27, Shenyang J-16 copy of Russian Sukhoi Su-30MKK and Shenyang J-15 unlicensed Chinese development of the Russian Su-33 Flanker-D all have been evaluated by Pakistani air force pilots under the various pilot exchange program between the two countries and buzz for years now has been that Pakistanis were not exactly happy with their sub-par performance and instead where asking Chinese to clear export of J-10 fighter aircraft which Chinese government has barred from exports.

    Unlicensed Chinese development of Sukhoi Su-27,30 and 33 initially was seen as a Game changer by the western defense analysts who thought that this new 4.5 generation aircraft will come as an additional force multiplier to the Chinese air force but over the years Chinese media locally were critical of this aircrafts and now even the government of China is more or less convinced that reversed engineered copies are plan disasters and instead is shifting focus back on local fighter programs.

    Shenyang J-15 Flying Shark which is a new carrier-based fighter aircraft already has suffered a number of high-profile crashes due to technical issues with the aircraft’s engines and flight control system. indigenous Shenyang Liming WS-10H engines too have serious reliability issues that Chinese pilots prefer Russian Salyut AL-31F engines over their copies which probably is one reason why China still continues to buy them from Russia even after claiming it to be a total success of their copies years ago.

    J-11 and J-15 design too suffer from serious design flaws due to traditional limitations inherent to reverse engineering methodology. In the Initial phase, aircraft looks and feels just like the original but when pushed into regular service that’s when issues start cropping up mechanically which are difficult to fix when you just copied it from some other aircraft without going through in-depth design data collections.
    idrw.org/pakistani-obsession-with-sukhoi-35-shows-how-bad-chinese-sukhoi-copies-are/#more-178728
     
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    Those Chinese radars aren't any aesa. AESA radar has its unit TRMs which work as a mini radar in an radar .while these have separate transmit and receivers .these all are antiquated PESA radars which resemble 80s aesa.
     

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