The globality Of Hinduism

[jouni]

What kind of Guru would be suitable for Finns? Are they all warm climate Gurus?

 

[Razor]

What kind of Guru would be suitable for Finns? Are they all warm climate Gurus?

Limit your baits and trolls for the Ukraine thread and the "finns discovered america" threads.

 

[sgarg]

The following is text provided by Guruji:

Charvak: Swami ji Namaste. Yadi ishwar sachme hota hai to sansar me itna dukh kyon hai. Main 3 sal se schizophrenia se peedit raha. kai bar ishwar se prarthana ki. lekin ishwar ne meri prarthana kyon nahi suni ? Prarthana karna bekar hai kyonki ishwar hota hi nahi hai. Sab andhvishwas hai. Chanakya ne chanakya niti me kaha hai ki Ishwar to kewal bhaav me vidyaman hai. stephen Hawking ne bhi kah diya ki ishwar nahi hota punarjanm nahi hota. Main ab Charvak ko manane laga hun.
Swami Ramswarup: Namasteji. Ishwar sukhswaroop hai dukh swarup kadapi nahin hai hamein vedon ka adhyayan karke yeh jaan lena chahiye ki sukh aur dukh insaan ke khud ke kiye hue pichhley janamon ke kramashaha punnya karma aur paap karma ka phal hai. Rigved kehta hai Ishwar kee bhakti ke bina sukh nahin. Ab insaan agar vedon ke anusar Ishwar bhakti naa karey aur paap aur punnya ka swarup na samajhey phalswaroop indriyon ke jhoote sukh aur lobh, laalach, kaam, krodh mein phans kar paap karam kerey to phir us insaan ko sukh kee ichchha karnee hee nahin chahiye kyunki Yajurved 7/48 ke anusar Ishwar ne paap karma karne wale ko dukh aur puunya karne wale jo sukh dena hotaa hai. Ishwar hai to srishti chal rahee hai. Ishwar srishti se nikal jaayega to pharun pralay ho jaayegee. Hamara durbhagya yeh hai ki hum Ishwar se nikali ved vanni (vedon) ka adhyayan nahi karte aur phalswarup agyani rehkar paap ko hee punnya samajh kar paap karke dukhon ke sagar mein gotey lagatey rehte hain.

It is the essence of Vedic spiritualism that whenever an aspirant enters into it then learned acharya preaches him that Vedas are the divine voice of God, which by the power of God, are originated in the heart of four Rishis, at the beginning of each creation. Learneds who indulge in deep study of Vedas know that Vedas are alive knowledge which emanate directly from God and hence they have not been written by anyone on the earth, in the shape of a book. Since, the said knowledge is applicable to all humans right from the beginning of earth hence Vedas are not a sect.

Infact, Kapil Muni, after traditionally studying Vedas and realising the truth, after hard practice of Ashtang Yog, also states the said truth in his Sankhya shastra sutra 5/51 that Vedas are alive knowledge hence ved mantras wield the power and self-capability to make such faithful aspirants, who are involved in deep and sincere study of Vedas, to understand the meaning and idea of ved mantras. This is the reason that Kapil Muni states that Vedas are self-proof to justify the truth. To elaborate, knowledge given in ved mantra or any fact stated through ved mantras does not require to be validated/authenticated by other shastras or any other book [but like our Rishi-Munis, Rajrishis and their public used to study Vedas traditionally with faith and sincere efforts, being the Vedic order of Almighty God, for all human-beings, the said practice is not in vogue at present times].God knows when inhabitants of India would be able to adopt the said moral duties, entrusted by God, of studying and following the Vedas, which destroys all the effects of sorrows and makes our future bright with long life and also spreads international brotherhood along with other unlimited benefits.

Secondly, universe has been created about one Arab, ninety six crore, eight lakhs, fifty three thousand and one hundred and thirteen years ago.

So, logically, Vedas have also been created at this time-period. Rishi-Munis acquired Vedas' knowledge by listening to Vedas traditionally from acharya and did agnihotra/yajyen, name jaap of God and Ashtang yog practice as preached in Vedas. In turn, they realised God and got the knowledge by doing pious deeds while leading the family life, making their future happy and bright, according to Vedas. Then they further educated people about the same because it has been the benevolent nature of every learned person, who gains Vedic knowledge and experiences divine pleasure, to share it with others. About five-six thousand years ago, Rishis wrote six shastras, Upnishads, Mahabharat (including Bhagwad Geeta) and Valmiki Ramayan much before other holy books, based on the knowledge of Vedas. All these great writers – the Rishis, have eulogised Vedas in their literary works and based on their experience have admitted that Vedas are the divine voice of God.

That is why, Kapil Muni in his Sankhya shastra sutra 1/66 and Patanjali Rishi in his Yog shastra sutra 1/7 have shared their experience to educate us that the preach of any Rishi (Mantradrishta Rishi) is also considered as a proof to reach at truth. And also the holy books written by the Rishis based on Vedic culture are also considered as proof called 'Partah Pramann', Vedas being Swatah Pramann. Is it not our bad luck that the said secrets of Vedas are now mostly unknown to people and at this juncture, so called preach of any modern saint (sant who is against the Vedas) which does not tally with Vedic culture and which is definitely considered by learned of Vedas as totally false/unauthentic, is being accepted happily by the innocent public? If we consider impartially then we would find that the said matter is definitely harmful to the society, being against the Vedas because it does not come within the parameter of Vedic authenticity. Now, question is that who will bell the cat?

Duly indulged in illusion and mostly intention being after the materialistic articles etc., hardly anybody spares the time to study the literary works of Rishis like Upnishads, Shastras, Nighantu, Ashtadhyayee, Shatpath Brahmin Granth and above quoted holy books which contain abundant proofs of ved mantras. Hence, when one will fail to study these great literary works of Rishis, under the guidance of learned acharya of Vedas, then naturally anyone will cast doubt over the Vedas which implies non-awareness of Vedic knowledge. Nowadays, people study the so-called spiritual books written by ordinary people but not those written by Rishis. It shall not out of place to mention here that Atharvaved mantra 7/105/1 preaches us to study Vedas or to study the spiritual books written by Rishi-Munis. The mantra strongly stresses not to study such books which are written by ordinary people. This secret has been made unknown to the public by several saints, by stating that Vedas, Yajyen and yogabhyas are difficult and need not to be studied/performed. People do not know that God states to study Vedas and perform daily agnihotra/Yajyen, name jaap of God and practice of Ashtang yog under the expert guidance of learned acharya.

Due to ignorance of the same, people are not able to understand that they are doing sins by not obeying the God's order of studying Vedas and doing yajyen etc. On the other hand, they are accepting the juicy lecture of saints, who are against the Vedas and who are mostly professional. Moreover, all the present sects along with their pious books have emerged about two thousand to two thousand and five hundred years ago. As compared to this, Vedas have been on this earth since One Arab, ninety six crore, eight lakhs, fifty three thousand and one hundred and thirteen years. As mentioned above, Vedas are not a book. That is why, it has become difficult to repose faith in Vedas, in the absence of deep study under guidance of learned acharya of Vedas and Ashtang Yog.

Yet, it is a well-known fact spread by the tapasvis, Rishis-Munis by their preach and above quoted spiritual books that Vedas are eternal and immortal knowledge which emanate directly from God. This fact is even supported by renowned scientists like Maxmuller and many others who believe in authenticity of Vedas. It is further a well-known fact that Vedas have been preserved in world libraries with respect and honour, accepting Vedas as first and the most ancient literature. I mean to say that Vedas are the first knowledge which came on the earth. It was spread orally through the tradition of acharya and disciple, right from the beginning of the earth, as mentioned above. So, Vedas were remembered by heart by everyone. About five thousand three hundred years ago, for the first time, Vyas Muniji, who himself remembered the Vedas by heart traditionally, wrote them on Bhojpatra for the benefit of mankind. He completed the said pious task on the day of poornnima, about five thousand three hundred years ago. Since, then the poornnima has been named and remembered as Vyas Poornnima. Further, when printing press came into existence in sixteenth century, the Vedas written on Bhoj patra by Vyas Muniji were printed in the form of book which is called "Samhita" and not ved. Samhita means collection of ved mantras which has been printed. Half of the intellectuals of the world believe Vedas to be the divine voice of God and yet half of the intellectuals believe that Vedas have been written by some great scientist who has no parallel to himself in the entire world. But learned of Vedas know that God is the scientist of all scientists and no one is born even equivalent to such God nor shall be born in future. Then what to talk about being above the God.

It is also pertinent to mention here that a part of Bheeshma parv of Mahabharat have been secluded, named and printed as Bhagwad Geeta (eighteen chapters). Infact, Yogeshwar Sri Krishna Maharaj has praised and eulogised Vedas in Bhagwad Geeta. The above stated facts are known only to learned of Vedas. The saints who are ignorant of the knowledge of Vedas are naturally ignorant of the Vedas' knowledge contained in Bhagwad Geeta and are therefore compelled not to explain the shloka of Bhagwad Geeta, briefly and truly wherein the reference and truth of Ved mantras exists. Why? Because they have not studied Vedas.

However, most of the present literary works and most of the saints are reiterating the fact that Vedas are divine voice of God. In this connection, Almighty, omnipresent, formless God has already stated in Atharvaved mantra 12/5/40 that those who do not study Vedas but take a piecemeal (portion) of Ved mantras, only which suits them, by means of studying other books etc., or listening from anywhere else [not based on traditional study of Vedas] will be punished by me (God).

Isn't it surprising that yet no one is taking the initiative to study Vedas. On the contrary, those deeds which are against the Vedas and promote blind faith are being done on large scale. To experience the truth, we will have to revert back to Vedas.

Andhvishwaas isliye hai kyunki vishwaas karne yogya to ved hee hai jinka adhyayan koi nahin karta isliye vedon aur mahabharat mein kaha- Nastiko Ved Nindakaha.

Arthat vedon kee ninda karne wala nastik hota hai.

Iska goodh bhaav yeh hai ki jo ved virudh bhakti karta hai weh nastik hai, Ishwar kehta hai Main ved mantron se kiye yajeyn mein sabkee prarthna suntan hoon. Ab agar koi aalsi banker Yajyen, Agnitotra na karey, vidwaanon se ved na suney aur prarthna karta rehey to Ishwareeya niyam ke anusa , Ishwar unkee prarthna nahin sunta aur insaan jhoota blame Ishwar par lagata hai. Ishwar to nyay karta hai. Channkya ne jis shloka mein kaha hai, weh shloka likh kar bheijein phir uska samadhaan kareingey kyunki vidwaan ke shloka ka arth aaj kal woh karne lagey hain jo khud vidwan nahin hotey. Isliye vidwanon ke kahey gyan ka aksar galat arth kiya jaata hai.

Har ek ko adheekar hai woh jis marzi ko maaney parantu Ishwar ne vedon mein kaha ki manushya kewal vedon mein kahe Nirakar Parmeshwar ko hee maaney aur vedanusar bhakti karey.

 

[jouni]

Limit your baits and trolls for the Ukraine thread and the "finns discovered america" threads.

Mata Amritanandamayi, is she known in India. Many Finns go to her in search for enlightment. ( I tried to write as clearly as I can, so that also you would understand, I even marked main thing with bold font).

 

[sgarg]

It is possible,

GOD in the sense is the thing inside every living thing and non living thing that makes them to follow Dharma.

Hari bhajans which say "Khan Khan me Base ho Hari Hari " means GOD exists in cells that were building blocks of the universe, are in sync with advaitha philosophy.

One cannot constrain GOD, humans have limited thinking capacity to figure our who He is. Any view that takes humans as basis to describe GOD, fail.

Ishwar is "sukhswaroop" or bears no pain. Jeev or soul bears pain. God cannot be same as soul as qualities of God and jeev are different.
You can say God exists everywhere. However two entities can exist in the same space despite being independent of each other.

 

[sgarg]

Mata Amritanandamayi, is she known in India. Many Finns go to her in search for enlightment. ( I tried to write as clearly as I can, so that also you would understand, I even marked main thing with bold font).

You are most welcome to visit India. I shall arrange your meeting with Guruji.

 

[Razor]

Mata Amritanandamayi, is she known in India. Many Finns go to her in search for enlightment. ( I tried to write as clearly as I can, so that also you would understand, I even marked main thing with bold font).

Known in some parts.
Yeah a lot of jobless finns on their govt. doles around her.
( I tried to write as clearly as I can, so that also you would understand, I even marked main thing with bold font).

 

[jouni]

You are most welcome to visit India. I shall arrange your meeting with Guruji.

Ok, thanks a lot

 

[sgarg]

I think it should be a matter of choice whether people should study any religious text at all or not. In case of children, the decision should be left to parents how they bring their children up. Making it compulsory would be bad. Here is why.
Everything taught by religion is hypothetical - Ishwar, atma and prakriti. They are an attempt to explain things about which little current knowledge is there. But teaching them as absolute truth to children will create a society which will not teach people to question authority or existing beliefs. This will affect innovative faculty of the society.

There is no religion in Geeta. What is said in Geeta are universal truths.

 

[jouni]

Known in some parts.
Yeah a lot of jobless finns on their govt. doles around her.
( I tried to write as clearly as I can, so that also you would understand, I even marked main thing with bold font).

Our former Miss Finland/Cultural Minister/Presidents former lover was her follower. I hope our state secrets are safe.

 

[ladder]

Our former Miss Finland/Cultural Minister/Presidents former lover was her follower. I hope our state secrets are safe.

Your state secrets are safe, it's where your former president's husband was looking at

Busted! Finnish president's husband caught admiring more than just the food at royal dinner | Daily Mail Online

 

[Kay]

There is no religion in Geeta. What is said in Geeta are universal truths.

That is contested. Atheists don't consider anything not proven scientifically as truths. They can at best be hypothesis. However, everybody should have the personal freedom to read the Geeta for themselves or taught at home. My objection is making it compulsory as a part of the regular curriculum of government schools. Religious schools can of course teach it to students.

 

[sgarg]

That is contested. Atheists don't consider anything not proven scientifically as truths. They can at best be hypothesis. However, everybody should have the personal freedom to read the Geeta for themselves or taught at home. My objection is making it compulsory as a part of the regular curriculum of government schools. Religious schools can of course teach it to students.

I must have freedom not to teach my children commie written Indian history as well. The textbooks are full of mistake. Mind it I am in education business. We tolerate commie history; so nothing wrong for you to tolerate Gita. Little give and take.

Honestly school textbooks on indian history are so bad that a public burning is better option compared to reading them.

 

[sgarg]

Let me make it clear that NO BOOK OF HISTORY IS "TRUTH".

Religion is a part of life and a little bit of religion in school years is justified. I do not mind my children studying about Christianity or Buddhism or Sikhism.

 

[Kay]

@sgarg
I believe established facts should be taught in school. I don't know what you mean by "commie history". As far as I know, Marxism is not taught in schools. The only thing taught maybe is the Russian revolution and that too in a few pages alongside French revolution and other world events.
Religion need not be a part of life. Its not a part of life for atheists.
If you teach Gita in schools claiming it is universal truth, you have to make room for Bible, Quran, Tripitaks, Granth Sahib, etc. as well, as others claim it as absolute truth. And if you end up doing it, you will have little room for sciences.
Also, if you only wish to teach the Gita, and not other religious books, then I will like to know your reasons as well.

 

[Kay]

@sgarg
But it seems your wishes are coming true
Haryana to introduce 'Bhagwad Gita' in schools this year, says CM - Firstpost

On a personal note, and this has nothing to do with the discussion, I am curious to know which subject do you teach. This is to understand where you are coming from. You are free not to discuss. I can PM you if you want.

 

[sgarg]

I teach science and maths.

There is no need to teach Gita as an "absolute truth". It is OK to teach a few verses. Also extracts from other religions can also be taught so that students know about religions.

 

[sgarg]

India's textbook history is written by people under commie influence who have completed ignored the basic facts of Indian culture and religion. You cannot build a history from isolated and unconnected objects. The stories preserved in our culture are about our history.

Bharat had a long standing tradition of written history but unfortunately Muslims engaged in destruction of libraries and books and the manuscripts are lost.

The library of Taxshila university burned for 6 months - it had so many books. This is the story told. The Muslims invaders razed their way into Bharat - killing people and burning anything of value in their path. The biggest center of learning at that time in Taxshila became an object of their obsession.

I prefer my children to be taught Gita then the offcial history as offcial history of India is full of errors. Only recent history (like last 300 years) may be accurate.

 

[mayfair]

Not sure where to put it, but I believe these folks are doing a very good job in trying to recover our stolen heritage
@indiaPrideProj

@poetryinstone

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[Ray]

I teach science and maths.

There is no need to teach Gita as an "absolute truth". It is OK to teach a few verses. Also extracts from other religions can also be taught so that students know about religions.

I think there is no need to force any religion on anyone.

For Hindus, like the Christians who have the 'Sunday School' teaching the Scriptures, or the mandatory learning of the Quaran organised by having a Mullah visiting your house to teach your children, the Hindus should have facilities where the basics of Hinduism can be taught,

There are no facilities like that for the Hindus.