The death of the Indian left

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  1. Killswitch

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  3. Cutting Edge 2

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    Left isn't dead. It is merged with secular parties in India.

    Unlike past where they openly declared themselves commies, now they hide among secular parties. If we look at manifestos of mainstream political parties they incorporate many points from leftists. This is no coincidence, many politicians and supporters of left are now migrating to mainstream parties.

    Left today is more mainstream then ever in India.

    If we look at how UPA casually mentions removal of AFSPA from J&K, removing anti-sedition laws among many other things is shocking.
    The mass protest of people every time a new development takes place.
    Pure hate towards successful capitalists (like Adani, Ambani)
    It's all out of commie red book.


    This infestation of hard left into centralist secular parties is a problem for those seeking alternative to BJP. Those who want to vote for a patriotic but secular party, their option is.... none. These clowns from left are the reason people are moving away from secular parties and voting more and more right.


    Both hard left and hard right are alive and kicking in India. What has died is centralism. The bold, idealist, patriotic, secular way of thinking is now dead in India.
     
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    There is nothing bold in practising subversion of one's civilizational heritage. The West is dying because of this 'secularism', the progeny of Newton and Da Vinci have this as their legacy.



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    garg_bharat Senior Member Senior Member

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    BJP is now a centralist party while Congress has turned hard left.
     
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    It may be mainstream but dead. It won't able to influence or assume power anytime soon. Communists have become socialists literally. Simply left is dead. Communism will collapse from India like it did in western civilization.

    They have taken Indian center left to die along with them.
    BJP is very much of a centrist party with lenient towards Indian right. Truth is that BJP looks right only because its opposition is far left.
     
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    Communism, marxism, islamism and jihad are breathing their last in India. They have become too feeble to counter the hindu nationalism which is now the supreme ideology of the nation.
     
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    Ya'll both be referring to different kinds of left. @Cutting Edge 2 is referring to liberal elite domination of national narrative. Bittu is referring to Naxal type of left. Sure, Naxals wont topple our gormint, but the space for western influenced ideas is only growing with more people travelling in and out of India. They are bringing those ideas home with them. After all, Sec 377 got amended during BJP rule. In the next 5 years, gay marriage might become legal too.

    Similarly, our divorce laws are moving in the direction of American 'no fault divorce' system with each successive amendment. That way, the left narrative of creating a welfare state is becoming mainstream and conservatism is getting eroded.
     
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    Not necessarily. Each of them are well funded, the intellectuals, the clowns that represent our country to the world are all from this cabal. The BJP driven nationalist model with the "sabka saath, sabka vikaas" calling has very few takers from the non-hindu communities, mainly because of the propaganda from the left.

    The nationalists have to be ever vigilant, and ensure we do not turn into a dictatorship and provide ammo to these clowns. Modi is hence the right candidate for the job, alas though, there is no one of his caliber to replace him when he decides to step down.
     
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    Just to point out. Sec 377 was a whole Western Victoria Era Conservative Christian law. Infact going back in History Vedic Traditions have always been accepting of Gender and Sexuality Fluidity.
     
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    Actually, I'm picking up contemporary leftism and not liberalism here.

    It could be hardcore red policies of communists or partial communists of center left with belief in socialism, freebies and "aam admi" kind of things.

    Right wing populism doesn't have any conflict with liberalism. As this "Hindu Nationalism" is an actual cultural nationalism than a religious nationalism given the completely different nature of Dharma than Abrahamic cults. More like a privatized free market country but still secular.

    As time passes and people get more aware, this demand of "freedom" will only increase. We have choose what part we can accept and what we need to restrict.

    For me, freedom of speech used in anti nationalism and separatism is more dangerous than gays.
    India doesn't qualify for this western term "conservatism" itself. We aren't a Abrahamic society governed by a religious book or staunch in our beliefs. There is no conflict between religious body and real government for state control in India unlike them.

    Besides casteism (even which is getting eroded), we are all good.
     
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    NO GAY MARRIAGE GARBAGE PLEASE!

    PIECEMEAL DEGENERACY IN OUR COUNTRY WILL KILL OUR FAMILY SYSTEMS AND THE DEGRADE MORAL FIBRE OF OUR SOCIETY.
     
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    After we get RS majority, we can rewrite the constitution any way we wish. These 'liberals' have lost their financial and political support in the West and East due to the rise of populism. A simple "Marriage is between a man and a woman" clause in the constitution will wipe out these activist fuckers for generations by which time they will cease to exist.

    NJAC is being brought soon. Gogoi has already started crying.

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-judiciary-cji-gogoi/articleshow/69849591.cms
     
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    How communism is dead when its ideology is flourishing in mainstream parties? Maybe you mean parties like CPI and CPIM are dead. In this regard you are right but the ideology lives on.

    How can you say communism is gone from west? West is now completely neck deep in socialism, social justice, central gov, etc. Their blue haired youth worship Che Guevara and idealize Mao's government. Yeah they still have strong capitalist economies but in every other way they are becoming more and more red.
     
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    So long as there are poor, deprived and the downtrodden, there will be a left to give voice to their suffering. The crisis of the parliamentary leftist parties should not be mistaken as the death knell of the left ideology. So long as the national parties like BJP, congress etc are wedded to the concept of a socialist welfare state, left/socialism is alive and kicking in India. The wealthy and privileged bourgeois will never speak for the poor or non-privileged, so left is will live on.
     
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    Bullshit. This attitude of targeting the moneyed class in India needs to stop. Anti wealth policies of socialist governments tend to discourage transparency and encourage deficit with dole spending.

    Middle class is the only consistent tax paying group who has to cover for farmer and corporate debt. If you demonize them as 'kulaks' and 'bourgeoise' then Venezuela will emerge in India as well.
     
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    Middle class is neither privileged nor wealthy and if given the opportunity our corporates will ride roughshod over the middle class without battling an eye lid. Cronyism, nepotism and rank oppurtunism is the inherent nature of the bourgeoisie class and they will use every lever of power and influence to keep the status quo.
     
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    Demonizing the wealth creating class of our country will ensure a subsistence and poverty ridden economy. Free market economics is the only path to financial prosperity. A Nation state lives and dies with it's economy.

    Please get out of this Gandhian 1960s era mentality that if anyone makes money in this country then they are evil.
     
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    Apologies for turning your own words against you, but unsustainable corporate debt, that is now hanging like a damocles sword on our economy, was not piled by the middle class or the lower class. The privileged and the powerful used their privilege and influence to run up debts running into trillions. Where did this money go. Where they spent on employee welfare(like provident funds , subsidizing education of the children of employees or health insurance), if they spent money on expanding their business, why is India not a industrial power yet, if they spent it generating employment, why do we have record unemployment.. Recently there were reports that close to 500 billion dollars was stashed outside India by Indian, as unaccounted wealth, surely Middle class was not responsible for this. Free market economy shouldn't be a carte Blanche for profiteering.
     
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    1. Unsustainable corporate debt is a result of massive NPAs leftover from phone banking culture of the UPA. By using IBC and Mudra Loans, liquidity and asset recovery can be initiated based on rating.

    2. All these loans are the scams you were used to seeing pre 2014. Those astronomical amounts were not individual deals but the entire economy being consumed piecemeal by the Congressi maggots.

    3. India is a NIC (Newly Industrialized Country) however our FDI norms were highly preventive and didn't allow JV with foreign institutions. Thus money was not used appropriately to create industry and employment but to act as a personal piggy bank for some scoundrels who fled the country.

    4. We have signed an agreement with the Swiss on par with the US to gain access to these accounts and book the accused for black money. Most of the money is concentrated under a few names.

    https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...eing-shared-with-agencies/article27955248.ece

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ian-clients-continue/articleshow/69624677.cms

    5. Profiteering is OK as long as there is no monopoly. A free market ensures competition and allows for innovation and better developmental prospects. Its when a Google or an IBM starts to dominate 90% market share you need to crackdown using anti trust laws.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-enemies-gear-up-to-make-antitrust-case-11561368601

    http://theconversation.com/amazon-g...-reasons-not-just-because-theyre-large-118370

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ace-congressional-antitrust-probe/1334586001/

    Watch how Corporatism begins to influence elections using big tech.

     
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