The copenhagen climate conference 2009

whether India should commit to carbon intensity cuts?

  • Legally binding Cuts

    Votes: 5 17.9%
  • Voluntary Cuts

    Votes: 18 64.3%
  • None

    Votes: 5 17.9%

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AFP: UN faces 'major setback' if failure at climate talks: Pachauri

UN faces 'major setback' if failure at climate talks: Pachauri

(AFP) – 13 hours ago

COPENHAGEN — The head of the Nobel-winning UN panel of climate scientists warned on Saturday that failure at the Copenhagen talks on tackling global warming would deal a heavy blow to the nation-state system.

Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), told reporters in response to question that the talks were "an important test" of whether nations could join together to fight a common threat.

"There's no question about it," he said.

"I think if we are able to get a good agreement, this would clearly create an enormous amount of confidence in the ability of human society to be able to act on a multilateral basis.

"If we fail, I don't think everything is lost, but certainly it will be a major setback."

Pachauri was speaking after a press conference where he spelt out the main findings of the IPCC's 2007 Fourth Assessment Report, which spurred political action leading up to the Copenhagen conference.

The study found for the first time that evidence for man-made warning was "unequivocal."

The impacts were already visible, indicated especially by glacier shrinkage, disruption to snowfall and rainfall patterns and changes to the timing of seasons.

Responding to the so-called Climategate affair, in which the IPCC's neutrality was attacked after the leak of emails from among some of its scientists, Pachauri said the panel had a top-class peer review system for assessing data for fairness and objectivity.

"This is a very robust process and it has stood the test of time," he said.

More than 1,200 scientists were involved in the exhaustive process, which was also vetted and approved by the world's governments, he noted.

"These are clearly the most outstanding scientists and with the highest level of expertise," said Pachauri.

Efforts by climate sceptics to exploit the hacked emails had had "absolutely no impact" on the December 7-18 talks, Pachauri added.
 

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The Associated Press: Scientists: Climate talks aim too low for target

Scientists: Climate talks aim too low for target

By CHARLES J. HANLEY (AP) – 8 hours ago

COPENHAGEN — The cuts in greenhouse gases offered at the 192-nation climate conference are "clearly not enough" to assure the world it will head off dangerous global warming, a key U.N.-affiliated scientist said Saturday.

Such projections, moreover, don't even account for the "potentially hugely important" threat of methane from the Arctic's thawing permafrost, other researchers said.

Midway through the two-week U.N. conference, richer nations are offering firm reductions in emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases ranging from 3-4 percent for the U.S. to 20 percent for the European Union, in terms of 2020 emission levels compared with 1990.

One authoritative independent analysis finds the aggregate cuts amount to 8-12 percent. But the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Changes (IPCC), the U.N.-sponsored science network, recommends that reductions average in the 25-40-percent range to keep global temperature increases below 2 degrees C (3.6 F) above preindustrial levels and head off the worst of global warming.

"I think it is clearly not enough," the IPCC's Thomas Stocker said of the numbers discussed here. "We are by far short of having security that the 2-degree target will be met."

The Swiss physicist heads the IPCC's Working Group I, the climate science group that, among other things, assesses the impact that emissions — from fossil-fuel burning, deforestation and other sources — have on concentrations of global-warming gases in the atmosphere and then on temperatures.

Stocker told reporters the IPCC-recommended target "may be too much to ask at this stage" — too politically daunting to achieve in the current annual conference. But he suggested climate talks should aim at longer-term commitments, over decades, not the short commitment periods envisioned in the annual conferences.

Even limiting the temperature rise to 2 degrees C would not forestall serious damage, the IPCC chairman, Rajendra Pachauri, told reporters. "We would get sea-level rise, through thermal expansion alone, of 0.4 to 1.4 meters" (1.3 feet to 4.5 feet), he said.

Climate science co-chair Stocker acknowledged that IPCC projections do not include the potential "tipping point" addition of trapped methane, a powerful greenhouse gas that would be released as permafrost thaws in the far north.

Plant and animal matter entombed in that frozen Arctic soil for millennia would decompose as it thaws, attacked by microbes, producing carbon dioxide and — if in water — methane, many times more powerful than CO2 in warming the atmosphere. Other methane would be released as the oceans warm deposits of methane hydrates, ice-like formations deep underground and under the seabed in which methane molecules are trapped in crystals of frozen water.

"It is potentially hugely important," Richard Betts of the Met Office Hadley Center, Britain's climate science center, said of the latent methane in another news briefing. "The size of the reserves are not fully known and are not captured fully in our models" — the supercomputer simulations used to project climate change.

Russian researchers in Siberia, in particular, have expressed alarm about methane's potential, warning of a possible surge in emissions in the north, where Earth is warming most, adding several degrees to global temperatures and causing unpredictable consequences for the climate. Others say massive seeps of methane might take centuries.

"We don't really know enough yet about methane feedback," Hadley Center climatologist Vicki Pope told reporters.

The British institution says intensive research on Arctic methane may allow it to be included in Hadley climate predictions within five years. Last year six U.S. national laboratories launched a joint investigation of rapid methane release, and last July the IPCC chairman, Rajendra Pachauri, asked his scientific network to focus on "abrupt, irreversible climate change" from thawing permafrost. The IPCC's next periodic assessment report is due in 2013.

We're "walking toward a cliff in the dark," Betts said of such unknowns in climate. "It's out there somewhere, you don't know where, and so it makes sense to stop."
 

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Australia ?Pushing Hard? for Climate Deal, Swan Says (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

Australia ‘Pushing Hard’ for Climate Deal, Swan Says (Update1)



By Rebecca Keenan

Dec. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Australia, the world’s biggest coal exporter, will be “pushing hard” for an agreement on climate change at Copenhagen this week, Australian Treasurer Wayne Swan said in a statement.

Australia will be hardest and fastest hit by climate change because it is one of the hottest and driest continents, Swan said. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is this week due to attend the conference, which will conclude on Friday.

Delegates in Copenhagen aim to reach an agreement to cut the greenhouse-gas emissions that the United Nations in 2007 called “very likely” the main cause of “unequivocal” global warming. Negotiations are “tough”, Penny Wong, Australia’s minister for climate change and water, said yesterday in an interview with CNN.

“There’s a lot more work that can and will be done in the days to come,” she said. “There is an agreement that we can make here, it is a question of whether nations have the political will to perform what’s needed to get that agreement.”

The government of Australia proposes to reduce greenhouse gases by between 5 percent and 15 percent from 2000 levels in the next decade. Australia’s Senate rejected the climate-change bill for a second time earlier this month. The legislation will go back to the Senate for a third time when parliament resumes in February.

The last fiscal year was the world’s warmest and Australia has just had its third-hottest year on record, Swan said. Rudd and Wong “will therefore be pushing hard for an ambitious agreement at Copenhagen,” Swan said.

To contact the reporter on this story: Rebecca Keenan in Melbourne at [email protected]
Last Updated: December 12, 2009 20:06 EST
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/science/earth/13climate.html

Hundreds of Protesters Arrested at Climate Talks


Johan Spanner for The New York Times

Protesters converged in a Copenhagen square Saturday to urge conference delegates to reach a global climate agreement.


By TOM ZELLER Jr.
Published: December 12, 2009

COPENHAGEN — Waving a panoply of signs warning that the planet is in peril and that powerful nations should take note, tens of thousands of demonstrators from around the globe took to the streets here on Saturday for the largest protest planned in two weeks of talks on a global strategy to combat climate change.

The police and organizers estimated that 60,000 to 100,000 participants joined a long march from Christiansborg Slotsplads, or Castle Square, southward to the Bella Center, the sprawling and heavily fortified convention center where delegates and observers from nearly 200 nations are gathered to seek a consensus.

The main demonstration — which brought together a broad coalition of hundreds of environmental groups, human rights campaigners, climate activists, anticapitalists and freelance protesters from dozens of countries — was mostly peaceful. But in other parts of the city, spontaneous demonstrations by bands of radical protesters resulted in at least 950 arrests, the police said.

A spokeswoman for the police department said there were scattered reports of localized riots in which protesters threw rocks and smashed windows. The police said that four parked cars had been set ablaze in the Christiana neighborhood and that at least one police officer had been struck in the jaw by a rock.

“We saved the demonstration from being disturbed totally,” said Per Larsen, chief coordinator for the Danish police. “There were some hard-core protesters that we have neutralized.”

The violence was a counterpoint to the otherwise peaceful march, in which a rolling sea of flags and banners undulated across the city. Most bore slogans related to global warming or urging world leaders to resolve the vast differences that still make an international accord seem elusive as talks here move into the second and final week.

“Bla, Bla, Bla,” read one popular sign. “Act Now!”

On a stage at the eastern edge of the square, a succession of speakers stoked a cheering crowd, their voices booming over loudspeakers. “My words cannot replace action,” said Helle Thorning-Schmidt, the leader of Denmark’s Social Democrats, the dominant opposition party here. “We are here to show leaders that what is made by man, can be changed by man.”

In the throng was 26-year-old Jemimah Maitei, dressed in traditional clothing from her native Kenya. She said she had traveled to Copenhagen to be part of a delegation representing indigenous peoples at the talks, which are overseen by the United Nations.

“I came here to give my views on how climate change is impacting my community,” Ms. Maitei said. She cited relentless droughts that had made growing crops, among other things, increasingly difficult for the Masai, her ethnic group.

The vast demonstration, which unfolded in crisp temperatures under cloudless skies, was not the exclusive province of climate campaigners. Groups of diverse social and political pedigree took advantage of the huge gathering to advance their agendas, too. One sign urged the overthrow of the Iranian government. Another, with the words “Earth in Need: Delete Meat,” was one of many promoting vegetarian diets.

People calling for a free Tibet were well represented, and a small contingent of climate skeptics and libertarians derided the United Nations talks.

“We want to be able to live our lives like we’ve always led them before — as free citizens in free democracies,” said David Pontoppidan, a graduate student in sociology at the University of Copenhagen, who addressed passers-by through a megaphone over the chatter of two helicopters hovering far above. “We want free debate; we want to be able to be taken seriously even though we don’t agree with the U.N.”

By midafternoon, as the throng made its way over the canal and southward toward the Bella Center, small bands of black-clad youths chanting anticapitalist slogans and carrying sticks and rocks could be seen infiltrating the otherwise peaceful crowd.

At around 3:30, dozens of Danish police officers penetrated the parade near its tail and surrounded a group of the more radical protesters. At the end of the march, a stage was set up for more speeches. One speaker railed against nuclear power, and another against genetically modified food. A speaker from India demanded that rich nations provide technology to develop flood- and drought-resistant crops.

Given that the lion’s share of greenhouse gases have been emitted by industrialized nations, developing countries have argued that they have a duty to help poor lands deal with the consequences of global warming, including drought, floods and tropical storms.

While several demonstrators made for the Metro trains, others decided to avoid the crush of the crowds and walk back to the city the way they came. Among them were Lars Leffland and Lise Blaase, a couple from Copenhagen.

“The demonstration when it started was very beautiful with all the colors and the music,” Mr. Leffland said. But Ms. Blaase suggested that what had begun with exuberance seemed, in the end, to simply fizzle.

“It was somewhat of an anticlimax,” she said as she walked north away from the Bella Center. “It seemed as if no one was in charge, and there was no closure.”

Andrew C. Revkin and Lars Kroldrup contributed reporting.
 

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The copenhagen climate conference 2009 is a farce..

USA and CHina don't want any agreement to be reached at all.

both are playing the trick of “ that is not my fault!"

CHina: " I would do any cut if USA were to do so."
USA:" I would do any cut if China were to do so."

Both seems like quarreling with each other, but in fact they are cooperating to stop any agreement be reached. USA and CHina are already the "Gangs of Two" and are ready to watch how EU is to make a show of itself.

in fact ,the same case also happened to the anti cluster-munition agreement.

EU and 200+ counties/regions signed the agreement of forbidding the use of cluster-munition. But "Gangs of 3"(USA ,Russia and China) don't buy the agreement at all. Of course, any of the "Gangs of 3" has its perfect and sound excuse:

Russki:" If Yankees were to sign the agreement, I would do so too!"

Yankees:" If Chinks were to sign the agreement, I would do so too!"

Chinks:" If Russki were to sign the agreement, I would do so too!"
 

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Climate negotiations 'suspended'

Negotiations at the UN climate summit have been suspended after the African group withdrew co-operation.

African delegations were angry at what they saw as moves by the Danish host government to sideline talks on more emission cuts under the Kyoto Protocol.

As news spread around the conference centre, about 200 activists responded with chants of "We stand with Africa - Kyoto targets now".

It is unclear how matters will proceed now, though informal talks are likely.

Blocs representing poor countries vulnerable to climate change have been adamant that rich nations must commit to emission cuts beyond 2012 under the Kyoto Protocol.

But the EU and the developed world in general has promoted the idea of a new agreement. Developing countries fear they would lose many of the gains they made when the protocol was agreed in 1997.

'Losing time'

Previously during this meeting - formally called the Conference of the Parties (COP) 15 - developing countries have accused the Danish organisers of ignoring their concerns.

"The president of the COP (Danish climate minister Connie Hedegaard) is absolutely committed to violate any democratic processes," said G77 chief negotiator Lumumba Di-Aping as he explained the latest development.

Last week, the Pacific island nation of Tuvalu forced a suspension after insisting that proposals to amend the UN climate convention and Kyoto Protocol be debated in full.

Kim Carstensen, director of the global climate initiative with environment group WWF, said that much more movement was needed on the Kyoto Protocol negotiations.

"The point is being made very loud that African countries and the wider G77 bloc will not accept non-action on the Kyoto Protocol, and they're really afraid that a deal has been stitched up behind their backs," he told BBC News.

While understanding the G77 position, he said the suspension could affect progress towards a deal.

"We're losing time, and that's a serious matter, because every minute we lose on one issue the chances of getting to the bottom of the next issue diminish."
 

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India-China Warmth at the Copenhagen summit

In Summit chill, China-India warmth turns on the heat

On a day when negotiations at Copenhagen were briefly stalled over the unwillingness of developed countries to discuss their previous commitments under Kyoto Protocol, China took the lead in stepping up pressure against the US and other Western powers with its Ambassador to India Zhang Yan calling for greater unity among developing countries amid what he termed as efforts to “split” this group.

“Currently the negotiation process (in Copenhagen) is going relatively slow. Frankly speaking, the reason mainly lies in the developed countries which are now going back on their positions on critical issues like mitigation, financial support and technology transfer. This is not only incomprehensible and unacceptable but will also have a serious impact on the negotiation process and hinder the Copenhagen Conference from achieving positive results,” said Zhang in an interaction with reporters here.

Pointing out that India and China were on the same page on the issue of climate change, he said that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will meet Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao on the sidelines in Copenhagen before the summit meeting. This, he added, exemplified the close cooperation both sides have fostered on climate change. “In fact, I feel it is the highlight of our bilateral relations and I hope to see this momentum extend to other areas.”
 

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Copenhagen negotiators struggle to save talks

Climate change negotiators have been working through the night in Copenhagen to try to rescue plans for a global agreement from collapse.

Heads of state start to appear in the Danish capital later in the day, ahead of a hoped-for signing on Friday.

But several issues remain to be solved ahead of the summit's climax.

Correspondents say suspicions among poor countries that rich ones are ganging up on them - which prompted a walk-out on Monday - remain strong.

They say that with the end of the conference looming, the general hope is that minds will increasingly become concentrated and real concessions emerge from both sides.

In one hopeful sign, China has indicated it will not accept any money from a fund being set up by the West to help poorer nations tackle climate change.

A senior Chinese source told BBC News that China will not accept a single dollar.

The possibility had upset many in the United States, who feel Beijing is now well-enough off to pay to clean up its own act.

Chinese deputy foreign minister He Yafei said in Copenhagen that Beijing was committed to achieving a good outcome.

China's willingness to make a deal pleases the rich West, but alarms some poor countries, says the BBC's environment analyst Roger Harrabin.

They fear China will strike a compromise with other big players that will not be strict enough to protect the most vulnerable nations from climate change, our correspondent adds.
 

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The Associated Press: Analysis: Climate talks a halting step toward goal

Analysis: Climate talks a halting step toward goal

By CHARLES J. HANLEY (AP) – 2 hours ago

COPENHAGEN — The Copenhagen climate conference "failed" long before it even opened. It may not "succeed" until long after it ends. For the moment, then, negotiators must satisfy themselves with something in between, an "outcome," one whose shape Thursday was in the hands of the United States and China.

A pivotal meeting in Bali, Indonesia, in December 2007 set a two-year timetable for the world to produce a grand new agreement to cut even deeper into the greenhouse-gas emissions largely blamed for global warming.

Every one of the thousands attending that U.N. conference saw the problem, however: The U.S. administration of President George W. Bush had blocked progress on climate change for seven years, and would do so for one more.

When President Barack Obama took charge last January, he had just 11 months to work with international partners to negotiate a successor agreement to the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which had imposed modest emissions cuts on industrialized nations, and which the U.S. had rejected.

With time so short, the new U.S. leadership needed a long run of luck. But its luck ran out with this year's drawn-out and distracting U.S. health-care debate. Legislation that would cap U.S. carbon emissions for the first time was delayed, and those international partners grew wary of entering any new deal without that firm U.S. commitment.

By this fall, expectations for Copenhagen were lowered. Even U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, whose job is to be upbeat, was dismissing hopes for a treaty binding nations legally to commitments on greenhouse gases.

Negotiating work still awaited the thousands of delegates from 193 nations who gathered here Dec. 7 for the two weeks of talks. They could at least clear away more technical unresolved issues — on saving forests, on exchanging clean-energy technology, on new ways to raise and distribute money to poorer nations for dealing with climate change.

Those talks made only fitful progress, however, and by Wednesday were bogged down. In a reprise of a perennial theme at the annual climate conferences, negotiators from the developing world complained the "north" — wealthy nations — was trying to impose its views on the conference's concluding documents.

It is now time for the "political phase," as environment ministers took over the backroom bargaining, in preparation for the arrival of the top ranks: Obama, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao and the leaders of more than 100 other nations. In the diplomatic world, that means the table will be set.

"One hundred leaders of the world aren't going to fly in here and declare defeat," observed ex-U.S. Sen. Tim Wirth, a longtime climate campaigner and head of the U.N. Foundation.

Two factors should enable leaders to smile when their group photo is snapped Friday: The developing nations, unhappy though they are, need their richer negotiating partners to help finance efforts to deal with coastal erosion and other effects of global warming; and diplomats and lawyers, under pressure, may show remarkable skill in finding the right words to paper over differences.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, upon arrival Thursday, generated new hopes with an announcement that the U.S. would join others in raising $100 billion a year by 2020 to help poorer nations cope with global warming. It was more money than has previously been promised. But the pledge was contingent on a broader agreement, including some kind of oversight to verify China's emissions of greenhouse gases.

Her offer followed that of Japan, which on Wednesday announced a $15 billion, three-year contribution to a "prompt-start" fund to support poorer nations' adaptation to climate change and their switch to clean energy. That was added to some $11 billion pledged earlier by the European Union.

"The United States must recognize it has a special historical responsibility for climate change," the U.N.'s Ban told an elite dinner gathering here Wednesday, referring to the past U.S. role in overloading the atmosphere with carbon dioxide.

Many expect the Americans to up their "prompt-start" bid to around $3 billion in the first year. To show U.S. good faith, they may also point to a variety of efforts — including new powers of the Environmental Protection Agency — to supplement the legislative proposal to reduce U.S. emissions, relatively weak in the early years of reductions.

But the Americans, in turn, will look toward the Chinese for help in reaching some agreement here. The Beijing government, which offers restraint on emissions but isn't likely to be legally bound under a future treaty, has resisted calls to submit its emissions actions to some kind of international oversight. That's an area where it may give some ground by Friday.

Despite the expectations in 2007, the "Bali Action Plan" actually did not call for a treaty at Copenhagen 2009, but rather an "agreed outcome." That outcome on Friday may look thin on substance, but will represent another halting step in a long process of failures, successes and in-between results extending far into the future, as the world grapples with a problem that won't soon go away.

EDITOR'S NOTE: Special Correspondent Charles J. Hanley has covered climate for The Associated Press since 1997.
 

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U.S. Offer of Long-Term Aid Pushes Climate Talks Forward

COPENHAGEN — With time running out on the stalled Copenhagen climate negotiations, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton gave new hope that an agreement might still be reached when she announced Thursday that the United States would help raise $100 billion a year by 2020 to enable poor nations to combat climate change.
The talks are scheduled to end Friday, when President Obama and more than 100 other heads of state are due to arrive.

Mrs. Clinton’s announcement signaled the first time the Obama administration had made a commitment to such an extensive financing effort, even though she did not specify the amount the United States would contribute along with other nations. She also cautioned that the United States’ participation was contingent on reaching a firm agreement this week, one that would require a commitment from China about greater transparency in its emissions reporting.“A hundred billion can have tangible effects,” Mrs. Clinton said. “We actually think $100 billion is appropriate, usable and will be effective.”

The $100 billion figure is in line with estimates by Britain and the European Union of the needed contributions, although the amount is at the low end of the range that European countries have suggested.

But Mrs. Clinton warned that the United States would not participate in such a fund-raising effort without certain assurances from China.

“It would be hard to imagine, speaking for the United States, that there could be the level of financial commitment that I have just announced in the absence of transparency from the second-biggest emitter — and now I guess the first-biggest emitter — and now nearly, if not already, the second-biggest economy,” Mrs. Clinton said.

China recently surpassed the United States as the largest emitter of carbon dioxide and is expected to surpass Japan next year to become the second-biggest economy in the world.

Shortly after Ms. Clinton’s announcement, Yvo de Boer, the head of the United Nations climate office, welcomed the decision by the United States to support the fund and said he saw it as a sign that negotiations were making some progress.

“Hold tight,” Mr. de Boer said. “Mind the doors. The cable car is moving again.”

But Mr. de Boer also sounded some cautious notes, saying that it was important to wait and see “if that sum is adequate” in the view of other nations, and he called on the Americans to put a specific amount of money on the table for the fund. Mr. de Boer also underlined that structures would need to be drawn up to control the disbursement and management of the money.
Mrs. Clinton said the money would be a mix of public and private funds, including “alternative sources of finance,” which she did not specify. Nor did she say what the American share would be, although typically in such multilateral financial efforts the United States contributes about 20 percent. She said the money should chiefly flow to the poorest and most vulnerable nations and should contain a sizable amount to slow deforestation, which contributes to carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere.

The British government released a statement shortly commending Mrs. Clinton’s announcement.

“It’s an important development and very welcome to have the United States on the same page as the U.K. and the E.U. in terms of long-term climate finance,” the statement read.

Late in the day, environmentalists monitoring the climate talks alerted reporters to the existence of a six-page document dated Tuesday in which the United Nations office overseeing the talks compiles the major countries’ plans for curbing their emissions. It calculates how such actions that affect greenhouse gases and the eventual temperature of the planet.

The analysis concluded that without much stronger action to cut emissions both before and after 2020, “global emissions will remain on an unsustainable pathway that could lead to concentrations equal or above 550 p.p.m.,” or parts per million of carbon dioxide in the air. It said that would cause the Earth’s temperature to rise 3 degrees Celsius, or 5.4 degrees Fahrenheit, above where it had previously stood.

That is far above the various thresholds for dangerous warming being debated at the meeting and accepted in recent statements by the major economies of the world.

The existence of the document was first reported by The Guardian newspaper of London. United Nations officials confirmed the document’s authenticity but declined to discuss it.

The scientific conclusion that current plans for greenhouse gases would lead to substantial warming is not new. But environmental campaigners said they were angered that the document showed that countries are aware of the gap between the likely level of warming and their proposals at the talks to limit the rise to 2 degrees Celsius.

“The U.N. itself knows that it’s going to go at least 50 percent hotter than they’re pretending,” said Bill McKibben, the environmental writer who runs the climate campaign group 350.org.

Still, the announcement by Mrs. Clinton of an American financial commitment on Thursday seemed to shift the pessimistic tone of the talks, in which China had signaled overnight that it saw virtually no possibility that the nearly 200 nations gathered would find agreement by Friday.

A participant in the talks said that China would agree only to a brief political declaration that left unresolved virtually all the major issues.
The conference has been deadlocked over emissions cuts by, and financing for, developing nations, including China, who say they will bear the brunt of a planetary problem they did little to create. Leaders had hoped to conclude an interim agreement on the major issues that would have “immediate operational effect.” The Chinese, it appears, are not willing to go that far at this meeting.
Whether the Chinese position represents political brinkmanship as senior ministers and heads of state begin arriving in Copenhagen for the final 48 hours of negotiations, or a genuine signal that Chinese officials are not inclined to settle the wide differences separating it and developed nations, was unclear on Thursday morning.

President Obama is due to arrive in Copenhagen on Friday morning to address the delegates here and negotiate some of the final issues with fellow heads of state and government. There has been some speculation that he would not make the trip because of the impasse in talks, but Mrs. Clinton, when asked at her news conference, said: “The president is planning to come tomorrow. Obviously we hope that there will be something to come for.”

Until Mrs. Clinton’s announcement on Thursday, the world’s two richest blocs, the European Union and the United States, had been slow to put pledges on the table for long-term financing, which under most estimates would require them to pay billions of dollars each year by 2020. Last Friday, European Union leaders agreed on short-term financing totaling $10.5 billion over the next three years to help poor countries begin tackling the effects of global warming. But the bloc has so far failed to agree how much they would give in long-term financing. European experts have recommended that the fund should total about $150 billion annually by the end of the next decade.

Until Mrs. Clinton’s announcement, the continued bickering among delegations had seemed to be making the likelihood of a significant breakthrough increasingly slim.

The continued deadlock was due in large measure to delays and diversions created by a group of poor and emerging nations intent on making their dissatisfaction clear. The Group of 77, as it is called, has raised repeated objections to what its members see as the economic and environmental tyranny of the industrial world.

On Monday, African nations briefly brought the climate talks to a standstill. China, by far the largest economic power in the group, has dragged its feet throughout the week by raising one technical objection after another to the basic negotiating text. And on Wednesday night, the group refused to take part in negotiations that conference organizers had hoped would produce a definitive negotiating text by Thursday morning. Instead, many Group of 77 leaders spent the day hurling accusations at wealthier countries.

President Obama and other world leaders have said that the Copenhagen meetings are unlikely to produce a binding treaty; some sort of interim political agreement is far more likely, they said. But few appreciated the depth of anger in the developing world and the height of grandstanding that would consume so much of the conference’s time. Now it is hard to find someone who confidently predicts even that much success.

The Group of 77 is a group in name only. Made up of 130 countries, it represents tiny island nations like Vanuatu and advanced middle-income states like Argentina. Many developing nations have united under the group’s auspices because they can take advantage of the far greater negotiating power and resources of countries like China and Brazil. Many small countries have neither a big enough delegation nor the organizational structure to negotiate effectively on their own.

China has been a natural godfather to many of the Group of 77 countries because its government has extensive investments in Africa and Latin America, often involving lucrative deals to bring oil and minerals home.

The coalition is united on a few central issues. They include making sure that industrialized countries keep the emissions reductions pledges they made as part of the 1997 Kyoto Protocol and that the Copenhagen conference produces enough money for poorer countries to adapt to climate change, said María Fernanda Espinosa, Ecuador’s minister of cultural and ecological patrimony.

But the group is neither a tight negotiating unit, nor particularly well organized.

“The G-77 is an incredibly diverse group,” said Michael A. Levi, a climate change specialist at the Council on Foreign Relations who is attending the Copenhagen meeting. “Its richest countries are 50 times as wealthy on a per-capita basis as its poorest ones. All of this makes a common yet constructive position very difficult. The easiest thing to agree on is to obstruct action.”

The cost of such obstruction is growing higher by the day. On Thursday and Friday, ministers and heads of government are expected to fashion a complex political agreement encompassing a host of issues that have divided them for years. Seldom, if ever, have national leaders engaged in negotiations as complex — and as poorly prepared — as these.

The strain is showing both inside the Bella Center and outside. On Wednesday, hundreds of demonstrators tried to storm the hall, but were pushed back by truncheon-wielding riot police officers who made 260 arrests. Inside, numerous groups staged demonstrations, sit-ins and noisy disruptions of public sessions.

Mr. de Boer, the United Nations official in charge of the conference, said that he was concerned about the safety of the arriving leaders and the rest of the participants. “The incidents that have taken place today inside the conference center test my courage to continue in this way,” he said, suggesting he would sharply limit access to the hall for the final two days.

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Confidential document reveals industrialized countries cheating the world on climate - India - The Times of India


COPENHAGEN: The industrialized countries are cheating the world. A confidential document of the UN Frame Convention on Climate Change secretariat prepared on December 15 shows, contrary to what the rich nations might claim, even if they come true on their current pledges to reduce emissions the world is headed towards a 3 degree temperature rise by 2050, not two degree Celsius – the tipping point.

The document, an authoritative assessment by the UN itself, still kept a secret from the 192 country delegates presently at Copenhagen says, “Unless the remaining gap (of the emissions required to be reduced) is closed and parties (countries) commit themselves to strong action prior and after 2020, global emissions will remain on an unsustainable patway that could lead to concentrations equal or above 550 ppm (parts per million of carbon dioxide in air) with the related temperature raise around 3 degree Celsius.

The UN global group of scientists – IPCC – has long ago warned that if the global temperatures go more than 2 degrees above pre-industrial era the world would tip over into irreversible natural calamities.

The 2 degree target is considered the beacon for ow much emission cuts the industrialized countries and others should undertake. The industrialized countries, such as US and Europe has made some offers and claimed it is enough to prevent disaster. The UN secret document now shows that the targets the rich countries have unofficially claimed they could take are just not enough.

Te rich countries have even 12 hours before the heads of the states meet at Copenhagen, refused to put even these numbers as part of their official positions.

The rich countries have taken commitments under the Kyoto Protocol to reduce their emissions to keep temperatures stable. While the rich countries are not on track to meet their targets even in the first phase that ends in 2012 they have so far refused to commit to deeper action as required by science in the next phase of the Kyoto Protocol starting 2013. They, instead, want the Kyoto Protocol to be killed completely
 

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Draft of declaration expected soon, India suspects foul play Copenhagen, Dec 18 (PTI):
The draft of a potential declaration at the climate summit here was almost ready, diplomats said today, even as India and other developing nations suspected the overnight negotiation was an eyewash and the document prepared was a rehash of the earlier Danish text.

Leaders and ministers from 28 countries huddled together overnight to hammer out an outline of a potential draft and following a meeting with Lars Lokke Rasmussen, Danish Premier and chairman of the Conference of Parties (COP), it was announced that the first text being prepared by the Danes is expected to be presented soon.

Though negotiations continued till early morning today, India and G77 nations feared they were stage-managed to give an appearance that everybody was consulted.

"This whole thing was stage-managed to show that they had consulted everyone," a visibly angry Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh said referring to the meeting with the Prime Minister as he made his way for a meeting BASIC (Brazil, South Africa and China) meeting.

It is widely suspected that the text has been prepared earlier by the Danes along with other developed countries.

"In one hour's time some how miraculously a text will appear," the minister said, noting that the drafting could also have been "outsourced" to someone.
The co-chair of G77, Lumumba Stanislaus Di-Aiping, said that the text was "rehashed", "prepared from before" and that the meeting had been staged.

After the initial draft is prepared by the Danes, delegates from a select group of countries, including India, will be be contributing to it, hours before heads of state and government from over 110 countries met in a summit.

This meeting is being viewed as a disappointment by developing countries who had been reassured that there was no such text. The Danish presidency was not available for comment.

Earlier, Rasmussen had told the G77 and China that any political message in the form of a statement or declaration will be based on the two texts that are being negotiated under the Kyoto Protocol and Long Term Cooperative Action track under the Bali Action Plan.
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Copenhagen: leaked UN report points to 3C rise
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A demonstrator calls for a sustainable food policy outside the venue of the UN Climate Conference in Copenhagen on Thursday Photo : AP

The analysis seriously undermines the statements by governments that they are aiming to limit emissions to a level ensuring no more than a 2C temperature rise over the next century, and indicates that the last 24 hours of negotiations will be extremely challenging

A confidential UN analysis obtained by the Guardian reveals the emissions cuts offered so far at the Copenhagen climate change summit will lead to global temperatures rising by an average of 3C.

The analysis seriously undermines the statements by governments that they are aiming to limit emissions to a level ensuring no more than a 2C temperature rise over the next century, and indicates that the last 24 hours of negotiations will be extremely challenging.

A rise of 3C would mean up to 170 million more people suffering severe coastal floods and 550 million more at risk of hunger, according to the 2006 Stern economic review of climate change for the UK government — as well as leaving up to 50% of species facing extinction. Even a rise of 2C would lead to sharp decline in tropical crop yields, more flooding and droughts.

The paper was drafted by the UN secretariat running the Copenhagen summit and is dated 11pm on Tuesday evening. It is marked “do not distribute” and “initial draft”. It shows a gap of up to 4.2 gigatonnes of carbon emissions between the present pledges and the required level of 44Gt, which is required to staying below a 2C rise. No higher offers have since been made.

“Unless the remaining gap of around 1.9-4.2Gt is closed and Annexe 1 parties [countries] commit themselves to strong action before and after 2020, global emissions will remain on an unsustainable pathway that could lead to concentrations equal or above 550 parts per million, with the related temperature rise around 3C,” it says.

The goal of keeping the increase in global average temperatures below 2C, relative to pre-industrial levels, has become the figure that all rich countries have committed to trying to achieve in Copenhagen.

However, 102 of the world’s poorest countries are holding out for emission cuts that would result in a temperature increase of no more than 1.5C. Anything below that, they say, would leave billions of people in the world homeless, unable to feed their people and open to catastrophic weather-related disasters.

“Further steps are possible and necessary to fill the gap. This could be done by increasing the aggregated emission reductions to at least 30% below the baseline levels, further stronger voluntary actions by developing countries to reduce their emissions by at least 20% below business as usual and; reducing further emissions from deforestation and international aviation and marine shipping,” says the internal paper.

Greenpeace campaigner Joss Garman said: “This is an explosive document that shows the numbers on the table at the moment would lead to nothing less than climate breakdown and an extraordinarily dangerous situation for humanity. The UN is admitting in private that the pledges made by world leaders would lead to a 3C rise in temperatures. The science shows that could lead to the collapse of the Amazon rainforest, crippling water shortages across South America and Australia and the near—extinction of tropical coral reefs, and that’s just the start of it.” The talks remained on a knife edge yesterday (17DEC), with world leaders meeting for the first time last night at a dinner hosted by the Queen of Denmark. One great obstacle — the fate of the Kyoto treaty — was solved yesterday with China and the developing world seeing off attempts to kill the protocol. But the row caused much time to be lost and whether enough time remains to salvage a strong deal is still in question.

The biggest remaining obstacles that remain are who pays for the fight against climate change and how much, emissions cuts and how promises of cuts are verified. Earlier, US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, pushed the negotiations forward by committing the US to contribute to a $100bn a year fund from 2020. Indonesia yesterday followed China’s lead in softening its opposition to international monitoring of carbon cuts.

Earlier this week, Rajendra Pachauri, who heads the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), told the Guardian that even with 1.5C rises, many communities would suffer.

The Hindu : Sci-Tech : Copenhagen: leaked UN report points to 3C rise
 

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BG care to explain what these two post meant? Or it some imaginations running wild
 

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BG care to explain what these two post meant? Or it some imaginations running wild
USA and China in fact are not serous at the "carbon cut " at all.

they are just playing the game of "bad boy" and "good boy"....other countries are being cheated by the "Gangs of Two"
 

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What exactly you are posting is those conversations happened?
 

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What exactly you are posting is those conversations happened?
it is a imaginary conservation .

some Chinese wrote those imaginary conservation ,just in order to mock how USA and China now “work in collusion with each other" and cheat the whole word now.
 

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it is a imaginary conservation .

some Chinese wrote those imaginary conservation ,just in order to mock how USA and China now “work in collusion with each other" and cheat the whole word now.
BG keep those imaginations to yourself.
 

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