The Communist Conspiracy against India

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  1. dhananjay1

    dhananjay1 Senior Member Senior Member

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    "Chinese Communists were always nationalistic, Indian communists were always anti-national"

    I don't think this is because some special 'Han' characteristic. Chinese commies talk about nationalism simply because they don't have any competition and they are in power. Similarly Soviet communism had a big component of Russian nationalism. The difference in India is commies lost out to their ideological cousins secularists and have been limited to few states. If commies had managed to wipe out competition in India they too would be 'nationalists'.
     
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  2. Sakal Gharelu Ustad

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    The biggest problem the world is facing today is that free market advocates and those on the right have not been very successful in destroying left because they don’t seem to understand them well. Failure to understand them has led to the result that everyone who does not agree with the left’s agenda is immediately branded illiberal, fascist or with some other ugly and fancy word that leftists often coin to denounce their opponents. Most right wingers think that leftists can be defeated by right economics and making people rich. But if you see the video you will find that Marx was a cultural critic and not an economist in the actual sense of the word. Thus most of his work has dealt with subverting society using the cultural agenda rather than just use the economic agenda.

    If you have noticed, communists usually attack the cultural icons of the society wherever they are- Christianity in the west or Hinduism in India because communists have a deep hatred for present cultural order, which stops them from implementing their agenda. That’s why they are attacking Christmas in the west and want to secularise it. While they are calling for secularisation of Christmas, on the other hand, they are simultaneously asking for the inclusion of Ramzan and other non-Christian festivals as part of western culture. Back in India, they try to secularise Hindu festivals like Pongal, Onam and Durga Puja while pushing to incorporate Christmas and Ramzan as part of our culture even though these festivals have nothing to do with Hindus.

    But why does the leftists wage serious attack on culture? One has to understand that Communism arose in the west and has deep Judeo-Christian roots, the religions which have subverted large number of local cultures and religions across the world. So given their historical experience, the left knows it very well that if they have to implement their agenda, they need to estrange the people from their local culture just like their imperial religions did in the past. Once it is achieved, only then it is possible to defeat the bourgeois and usher in a new revolution and social order.

    Read more: http://yugaparivartan.com/2016/01/28/how-to-defeat-the-left/
     
  3. asingh10

    asingh10 Senior Member Senior Member

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    I disagree. Mao was very rooted in Chinese culture, blended commie ideas with classical Han Legalism. On the other hand Indian commies are British incubated Communists who hate their own language & culture. Given the servile mentality of our elite, I really doubt that the commies would be nationalists without competition. You think Mao would have allowed partition of his country, without a fight ? Our commies on the other hand backed the Pakistan movement and wanted rest of the country divided into 17 sovereign states.
     
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    Soviet commies united a diverse nation into a single regime while the bong here want to divide the nation even further on whatever ground they can think of. :lol:
     
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    asingh10 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Historically there was much Indian influence on China as well. But the latter has always been in business of picking and choosing from foreign traditions while maintaining strong sense of national identity. They rejected many parts of Indian Buddhism as well because it did not appeal to pragmatic mindset of Chinese. We on the other end always end up becoming complete slaves of foreign ideas our subverting our own ways to accomodate foreign ideas.
     
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    Chinese opposition to Indian Buddhism and evolution of Zen

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    There are no 'true' communists in India anymore.

    Indian communists embrace religion - albeit non-Hindu ones.
    Indian communists embrace Socialism

    Our commies are frauds, sold out to China and propagate Maoists for personal and political gains.
     
  8. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    Difference between Chinese and Indians is Mao was able to kill 35 million of his own people for ideology . Never in Indian history has any extermination like that taken place for ideology by the government


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  10. Sakal Gharelu Ustad

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    Fact is Indian commies did not get a free hand else they would have done that. Btw, Bengal has very high rate of political murders!!
     
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    I like your excerpts from Suzuki. Indian minds today (at least many posters on DFI) seem not much different from what was described as "speculative and tending towards abstraction and unworldliness and nonhistorical mindedness" :biggrin2:

    Like some who are never tired of talking of "ideology" "free market" or "traditions" all day long just can't show the roadmap to walk the talk (execution) -- unworldly? Again don't be cocooned into idealogy. Ideology / traditions themselves have to evolve,absorb and adapt to different realities.

    Quote- "Chinese mind is more earth conscious and hates to be lifted up too high from the ground".
     
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    Tis is another typical example I find Indians /American love to make excuses for their own being lagging behind :biggrin2:

    So when Indian accuse "abstractly" I'd like to give hard data, being "pragmatic" --

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    Mao was dead in 1976. According to the above graph Chinese population was 962m (Y1978) vs. 594m (Y1953) :hmm: Based on the curve 1953-1978 actually had the steepest growth (no "family planning" then)


    So u see how this case exemplifies the difference btwn a Chinese mind and and an Indian??:bplease:

    When u pulled a number 35 million killed out of thin air, probably u feel readers won't bother to double check and reason. Nah I'm not a big fan of Mao, but u really can't continue to be "speculative" especially u wanna attack someone! We all need to think and talk logically. When the facts were wrong, your castle (points) was built on the sands like the Bible says.
     
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    Well CPI(M) worships the same Stalin and Mao.

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    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    The source I gave is a non Indian source and the number they claim is 45 million


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    My feel is there's no short of INdian thinkers who're able to do critique of this --ism that --ism or have a ride of big talks - free market, caste reservation... but are indeed poor in implementation.

    And it's a fad for Indian posters to pronounce himself as a nationalist :biggrin2:

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  16. punjab47

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    @amoy you're right, presently India lacks the unity required to carry out mass change & transformation. If it does in the future, it will return to being legendary.

    If it fails, its memory will be legendary.
     
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    The role played by commies in China is played by secularists in India. In China commies used elements of Chinese culture to propagate communist ideology. In India secularist used elements of Hindu culture to propagate secularist ideology. Commies in India were contesting against a well developed British backed secularist ideology, Hindu cultural co-option was done by secularist and not much by commies. In China cultural co-option was done by both nationalists and commies because commies had a chance to rule all china and not just a part of it. Mao using 'Han' ideology is similar to Gandhi preaching 'satya, ahinsa, ramrajya' to Hindus. Neither Mao nor Gandhi were being loyal to the traditions whose element they were using, but it may look like to people who don't have enough knowledge of it.
     
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    Fredrick Engels on parallels between Christianity and Communism

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    Hegel speaks of perfect democracy of early Christianity and also the radical implications of its doctrine.
    Hegel makes an interesting point about how Christ's doctrine was about "negation of everything at hand". Similar to what @Mad Indian said about Communist stratagem to destroy all contemporary cultural icons or what @punjab47 calls normative inversion.

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    Christ is a liberator as his life's mission was to fight against usurers and profiteers. - CPI(M) secretary Vijayan

    http://www.thehindu.com/todays-pape...liberator-pinarayi-vijayan/article2859394.ece

    Jesus alongside Marx, Lenin & Guevara at CPI(M) show. Portrayed as social reformer who emancipated Jews from slavery.

    http://www.rediff.com/news/report/j...x-lenin-and-guevara-at-cpim-show/20120203.htm

    Christian religion is Communism & leader of Xtians, Jesus, is like party general secretary Prakash Karat - CPI (M)

    http://twocircles.net/2012feb03/congress_attacks_cpim_using_christ_portrait.html
     
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    Sakal Gharelu Ustad Detests Jholawalas Moderator

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    Only the labels change, the imperialism remains the same.

    Islam usurped the legacy of Christianity and Jesus. Similarly, communists too tried to usurp the same legacy in one way or another. Max Weber wrote the "Protestant ethic and the spirit of capitalism", where he just tried to usurp the protestant legacy through capitalism. The nature of all these philosophies remain the same i.e. belief in absolutes. Now they want to usurp Hinduism as well by absorbing Yog and meditation and will probably give it a new name. Meditation becomes mindfulness and probably the khichdi will be called integral humanism.
     
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    @asingh10 - btw, there is no point in quoting Indian communists. They are the smallest and vilest fish in the communist world. They would eat poop to get elected. I am sure you can dig up their statements where they would have showered praise on other Hindu figures. Since nothing stops them from visiting and taking help of Tantriks, they are only the leeches in this system who thrive on foreign money and thus implement their agenda. You should not give them too much respect for coming up with different association. They will associate with anyone and everyone.
     
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