The Cartel

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  1. Jameson Emoni

    Jameson Emoni Regular Member

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    I have mentioned a strange entity called The Cartel quite a few times in my posts. This has generated some curiosity among some readers of this forum. They wanted to know more about this entity. Some thought it was synonymous with USA. Well, The Cartel is not the same as USA. It is a faceless global cartel that controls a number of countries. I personally don't think The Cartel has been able to completely control USA because of democratic nature of USA; democracies are harder to subvert. However, democracies are not immune to authoritarian designs. As a matter of fact, under certain circumstances, a democracy can be a perfect authoritarian machine because it has consent of the ruled.

    I would like to emphasize that The Cartel is not the same as USA and it has vastly different interests and objectives. One of the favorite tactics of The Cartel is to pit a nation or individual it wants to settle scores with against USA. This is why it is very important for us Indians to understand the beast called The Cartel.

    It is difficult to study an organization which keeps itself in the shadows and is powerful. This is particularly true of The Cartel. It owns large chunk of global media as a means to brainwash people. Despite all the secrecy surrounding The Cartel, if one is willing to pay close attention to geopolitical events, one can spot the fingerprints of The Cartel all over the world. It is also possible to identify attributes of The Cartel. I am going to list a few of those attributes below:

    1. The Cartel is head quartered in UK. It directly and indirectly controls quite a few countries
    2. It has significant control on US polity but it does not entirely control US
    3. It controls news and movie production outlets in US, Europe and Latin American countries
    4. It controls major global banks and currencies
    5. It is actively involved in war making business, particularly in Middle East
    6. It has working relationship with China which resulted in flow of large FDI into China
    7. It has lobbied for Pakistan in US which allowed Pakistan to acquire US weapons
    8. It has nefarious designs against India; it aids and abets anti-India elements
    9. It maintains the largest network of organized crime
    10. It directly and indirectly controls the largest network of terror outfits
    11. At the moment, it is locked in a conflict with Russia
    12. Iran is its most vocal opponent
    13. It controls Australia through corrupt Australian politicians
    14. It has significant control over Canada but the control is not absolute

    In subsequent posts, once the discussion starts to flow, we can analyze past and present geopolitical events that give us insights that can be used to justify the attributes we have assigned to The Cartel.
     
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  3. Mikesingh

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    There are mysterious cabals that occupy virtually every seat of power, from the corridors of government to the boardrooms of Wall Street.

    Take the Illuminati, a sect said to have originated in 18th century Germany and which is allegedly responsible for the pyramid-and-eye symbol adorning the $1 bill: they intend to foment world wars to strengthen the argument for the creation of a worldwide government (which would, of course, be Satanic in nature). Or consider the Freemasons, who tout their group as the oldest and largest worldwide fraternity.

    Then there is the immensely rich and powerful Bilderberg Group striving for world dominance with a government controlled by them. Their argument is sublime - that the world couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So they feel that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing!!

    These cabals that are lurking in the shadows but immensely powerful entities have just one aim - to dominate and control the world with a single government.

    There's even a project that was considered by them called 'Alternative 3'. Heard of it? Frightening if true!!
     
  4. nongaddarliberal

    nongaddarliberal Senior Member Senior Member

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    Oh boy. One of my favourite topics. Even major events like ww2 had people financing both sides. When you dig deeper, it becomes apparent that Hitler wasn't acting on his own, and was trying to fulfill a higher agenda for a more powerful group. But finally he probably got betrayed. He might have expected a peace treaty, but got his whole country invaded instead, leading to his suicide.

    The biggest evidence that a nefarious group controls the US is the fact that America has been repeatedly and obviously screwing itself with its middle east policy. They have spent over 4 trillion dollars in the war in Iraq, with absolutely no benefit to their country. No, they did not "steal" the oil. They helped their petrodollar, but even that is overshadowed by the tremendous cost. They are again planning on invading Iran, which will also cost trillions, and will not benefit their country at all. To any moderately educated person it becomes obvious that nothing that America does in the middle east is in its own national interest; it doesnt make it any richer, it doesn't reduce its oil prices, it certainly doesnt make it any safer. No real democratic government will do what the US govt has been doing in that region.
     
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    Haldiram Senior Member Senior Member

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    But are they really screwing themselves?

    There's almost no fallout of their M.E policy that reaches American shores. The protection they give to the oil producing nations serves the dual purpose of keeping the entire world on egg shells by controlling their energy security. They extract huge benefits from this in negotiations. It's not just about the profit made form selling the oil. Controlling the oil production and rates allows them to shortchange the other oil producing nations like Russia and Iran in price negotiations and oil buying nations like India and China at the same time.

    When India refused to stop buying oil from Iran, Killary flew down to India to threaten our banks with sanctions if they fund the oil purchase. No cartel operates at a loss. They aren't doing it as a hobby. They get very tangible benefits from controlling the M.E.
     
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    Look at the big picture. The 4 trillion dollars they spent in the middle east is 4 trillion they could have spent on their own infrastructure and failing inner city schools. If they spent even a tiny fraction of that amount on R&D for green energy, they wouldn't need any oil right now. Or they could have subsidized their own LNG indistry with that money, making them completely energy independent. No matter how many geopolitical advantages they reap from their actions, the same resources spent in their own country would have yielded far better results for their economy and living standards. Americans know this deep down, which is why Donald Trumps promise of getting out of the middle east was so popular during the elections. Not that he ever planned on doing it though.

    Now, as you said, no cartel operates at a loss. Absolutely. The elite of America, including the bankers, oil corporations, and MIC do benefit from these actions. But the American people in general have been taken for a ride. Which is why its obvious that a cartel controls American foreign policy using taxpayer dollars, with no cost to themselves and all the benefits.
     
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    I take these conspiracy theories with a pinch of salt. Nonetheless I have been reading about them since may be 2007. Most of the predictions don't match what happens on the ground. But few things did surprise me. One was the whislewblow by snowden and jullian assange. Believe it or not there was a chatter on dark web way before these leaks that some sort of monitoring is happening on global scale with servers based in US and australia and a major whislewblow or similar thing will happen in coming years. The second thing that always amazes me was why did US provide training and weapons to Syrian rebels. Although they called themselves FSA at that time it was widely know that they had elements of Al qaeda and radical sunni Muslims with them. They later morphed into ISIS and what happened later is we all know. The experience of US training rebels during afghan war against Soviets must have stopped them. But nothing made sense. As if they were guided some motives that were hidden from the general public from around the globe.
     
  8. Haldiram

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    It's not for oil, it's for monopoly over other countries who need oil. The US is already self sufficient in oil and with fracking, they are an oil surplus nation. In a monopolistic market, not all investments yield direct cash rewards. Some investments have to be made to keep the monopoly alive. For example, if a 5-star hotel selling expensive sushi is facing a slow business day, they still buy a lot of fish that day, even if they have to throw it away, just to prevent the other hotels from getting their hands on it. It doesn't bring them money immediately, but eventually, by maintaining their monopoly in the game. The hotel is neither breeding fish nor catching it, but it gets to control demand and supply because of the privileged position they are in. They don't have to invest in boats to catch the fish. The fishermen will do it out of their own dime. Just like the US doesn't need to invest in their crumbling schooling system. India and China will send their best talent to the US anyway. All the US has to do ensure their $ remains the default global currency.

    The US gets far far more dividends in terms of quality of life by putting their currency in a position where it becomes the benchmark for global oil purchase, than if they spent the money domestically. What growth do they get if an American buyer buys cement from an American seller and builds a flyover in America? It's the same raw material being moved around in the same country and the same money exchanges hands within the country. But if you invest in the petrodollar monopoly, now your currency allows you do purchase goods and services from outside America because other economies hedge their currency against the US dollar. With just this one move, they are able to import the best raw material, hire the best talent and build their economy. The US is the largest economy on the planet for this one reason alone.

    The US has created a layered global economy where tier-3 economies do the menial labor and raw material harvesting, tier-2 economies do the processing and packaging of the raw material and America gets to keep the profits simply by being a broker between the finished product and the consumers by being a 'knowledge based economy' free from any uncertainties like rainfall, crop harvest, labor unions etc. If you buy a gizmo today, the metal is mined elsewhere, the assembly line is in China but the profits reflect in the stock market in the US. Why don't the raw material supplier and the manufacturer get together and start their own thing and cut the middleman out? It's the US dollar that has the power to get both of them to fall in line and work for them. China cannot outbid the supplier who supplies raw material or human resource talent to American firms, because the supplier knows that the US $ has a far better utility in his country than Chinese currency, because his government can buy oil with that. This is the main benefit of having the petrodollar arrangement. It's not that American companies have grown so big because the product designers are super talented. Most of the talent is Indian and Chinese engineers anyway. Why don't these same people produce the same thing in their own country then? Ecosystem matters. And ecosystem commands investment. If the US put the same money in building infrastructure in their own country instead of the petrodollar ecosystem, they can't leverage this global ecosystem which they have cultivated since the WW. If the US simply went in a cocoon and started building schools and colleges to compete with Asian engineers on innovation alone, they will be wiped out in a decade.

    They have so much faith in this lifestyle that they'd rather incur debt from China to continue this arrangement than to pay off the debt and build infrastructure back home.

    The US has a population of 300 million. You can find any patch of land anywhere in the world and put 300m highly educated and skilled people in there without the petrodollar advantage and tell them to do the best research and build the best infrastructure, and they wouldn't be able to create a 20 trillion $ economy by their hardwork and infrastructure alone (China tried it and it took them 1 billion people working thrice as hard as an average American to create an economy half the size of the US). It is the privileged position they have created for their currency that allows them to be so big. Only 25-30% of Americans have a college degree and the drop out rate in STEM courses is 50%. More roads and colleges will hardly solve this. They know this.

    They're not Aryabhattas. They are Baniyas. They have recognized that the key to making money is to entrench yourself in places of influence where the money flows, not necessarily where goods and services are produced.
     
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  9. Jameson Emoni

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    Americans originally were not Baniyas. They were a standard agriculture, manufacturing, infrastructure, goods and services based economy.

    There was a transformation at some point. What was the moderating influence behind this transformation? Not that this transformation was bad as it seemed to have raised the standard of living well.
     
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    The American superpower of post-WWII world was based on its manufacturing sector. It won the war because of its manufacturing sector. The whole derivatives business ruined US economy starting with the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000 under Clinton and the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1932, also under Clinton.
     
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    This happened after WW2.

    Before the first war broke out, the US didn't even have an air force. It was France that had the first fighter plane which it lent to the US to study and reverse engineer. The first https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPAD_XIII which France gave to the US is still hung in an American war museum.

    The US was a normal country till then. Europe still had all its colonies and the European bloc was the dominant global power.

    Murica had been in economic depression in the 18xx's. They were waiting for this opportunity. When the war broke out, someone high up in the US echelons thought this was their opportunity to displace Europe as the dominant power and permanently establish American global presence. As part of the deal to protect Britain, the US asked them to dismantle all their preferential trading routes with its colonies. In a way, the US killed the British empire before the German war offensive did. Once the trade routes were removed, it became difficult to sustain the empire.

    This was a turning point in US history, that is why they are so proud of it. In one single move, they went from being a nobody to the most powerful country on the planet. Europe was destroyed, Asia was destroyed, Ottoman empire was destroyed, Arabs were nowhere, Africa was always bimaru.

    The military bases they established after defeating Germany and Japan (and Korea) are still active, even though they are allies now. People think that US foreign policy has been taken over by some hawks who want to have global bases and that it can be reversed when a peacenick takes office, but it is simply not possible to withdraw now. They need to be constantly engaged with the world with saam, daam, dand, bhed, to maintain their dominant position. This political play is more important to them than other issues like economics, wellbeing of domestic population etc.




    Now listen to the sugar coated version :

     
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    prohumanity Senior Member Senior Member

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    Its a cycle...Every superpower rises...reaches its peak..and then, goes into decline....USA is reaching its peak..but not in decline as of now..because USA is adaptable and finds intelligent solutions and implements them.

    Moreover..there is no other power powerful enough yet to pose a serious challenge to US power. You say, China...right ? But Chinese economy is only 1/3rd of that of USA (per capita basis) and Russian economy is 1/10th of that of USA...

    The defense budget of USA for next year is $ 710 billions......equal to 10 next countries combined together.
    Lets just talk real facts...USA is resilient, its democratic..and there is innovation..plus rule of law. These are powerful qualities.

    Americans identify themselves as Americans...not like "jats" "Dalits" "telugus" "musalmaan" or any other little title.
    Indians need to identify as Indians first and then anything else...a cohesive national identity is must to become a powerful nation. But, selfish politicians are successful in dividing Indians on caste, region and religion lines...thats is sad.

    On a side note...our two great ladies..Sushmaji and Nirmalaji are coming to Washington DC on July 07 to talk about waiver to buy S-300 and God knows what else is on agenda...
     
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    This thread was created to discuss The Cartel not USA. They are two different subjects. USA is just one of the many countries The Cartel partially or entirely controls.

    Coming back to the topic(The Cartel), the sophisticated economics that @Haldiram described in his earlier posts is a product of increasing influence of The Cartel on American institutions, particularly financial institutions. This economic model is brilliant as it has created a standard of living which remains unparalleled. However, it relies on covert and overt wars to bring uncompliant nations in line.

    Is this why we are seeing increasing tension between Russia and The Cartel? Also, is this economic model sustainable?

    Also, there is another interesting development, China which used to be The Cartel's senior munna, seems to be breaking away from The Cartel. However, I have not seen any criticism of China by The Cartel controlled media so I am not sure if there really is a dissension between The Cartel and China. China's relationship with The Cartel is perhaps the most complicated aspect of The Cartel.
     
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    Haldiram Senior Member Senior Member

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    In many ways, the US cartel has already won this monopoly war by having their language as the default global language of business and their Jewish banking system as the default financial system. Their power is such that even if Russia is ready to sell S400 to India and India is ready to buy it, the US can pressurize banks from executing that transaction by threatening to remove them from the formal banking setup.

    Muslims have an alternate interest-free banking system that was prevalent in Islamic times. They call it Halal banking, it's what we call Hawala. It's not formalized and therefore cannot be used for large scale transactions. It's mostly been relegated to black money and terror financing while the US banking system has become the global default. Russian cartel operates on the sale of Russian oil and weapons in the black market. It doesn't have the raw materials to challenge the US cartel for domination in banking. China has come up with its own Asian Development Bank, that could be a potential challenger to the Jewish cartel based banking system.
     
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    It is easy to mistake USA for The Cartel and vice versa but it is important to keep the distinction in order to make sense of geopolitical events.

    After 911, Peter Bergen started to appear on some of the news outlets controlled by The Cartel. In beginning he used to speak the truth and used to highlight the menace of terror emanating from Pakistan. Then, he disappeared briefly. When he came back, his tune changed; now, he was talking about Iran's terror capabilities. Pakistan was neck deep involved in 911. Yet, nothing happened to Pakistan and Iraq which had nothing to do with 911 was invaded and destroyed. Obviously, unlike Iraq, invasion of Pakistan would not have yielded financial gains - the gains that you described in detail in one of your posts. But the thing is, about 4K Americans were killed in that attack and yet Pakistan the main culprit went untouched. This never made any sense to me.

    Now look at this: there were series of theft from China of sensitive US military technologies during Clinton era. The theft continued till Obama era. It is not very hard to understand that China does not exactly mean well towards the US. Despite all that, a very positive image of China was created for the consumption of American populace. This was done to facilitate flow of investment from US to China.

    As I said earlier, the relationship between The Cartel and China is the most puzzling thing to understand and here is why:

    Why did The Cartel prop up China?
    How is The Cartel going to control a China which is becoming stronger with each passing day?
    Why is The Cartel not concerned by China acquiring S-400?
    This one is the most curious one: why is The Cartel still investing billions of dollars in China even though China is getting closer to Russia?

    There is something under the hood between The Cartel and China that needs to be understood.
     
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    prohumanity Senior Member Senior Member

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    Its important to understand history in order to understand where the World has reached today.

    In early 1970s , biggest threat to G-7 (the county club) was from Soviet Union. In order to break Soviet Union and destroy its economy, G-7 hired Pakistan to create Islamic Radicals (Mujahideens) to counter "infidel" Soviets who were described as "Godless " people who can destroy Islam. Purpose of radicalizing Muslims was to create a fierce fighting force against Soviets because religious brainwashing and paranoia generated leads to a very committed army of fighters. Thats how "Mujahideens "were created with Saudi Money, US weapons and Pakistani training.

    Pakistan acted as a middleman to bring USA and China together because China going close to Soviet Union would have made the task of defeating S U much more difficult. China was bribed with huge investment in manufacturing and guarantee that all they produce will be bought by US consumer. China loved the deal and totally ditched the fellow Communist brother .

    All worked as planned...Soviet Union broke apart....The medicine called "Radical Islamic Mujahideens" did work well but had a serious side effect in form of "Al Quida" and later ISIS. And the side effects are continuing.
    In last two decades, China benefited by by this deal ofn selling goods to USA and made huge profits making it richer. Once China became wealthy..it wants to assert its influence on World...which is very distasteful and offensive to US..and allies.So now, there is plan of how to contain the dragon or at least tame it down.
    But the dragon is not easy to go down as it has got a lot of muscles and new friends.

    We will see in next 5 years..how this game plays out....it will be interesting to say the least !
     
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    IF FEW Indians throw stones to Prevent any elephant or Bear attack next day cnn/bbc heading ''Barbaric Indians killed wild animal'' but u never see REAL MASSACRE of Wild animals in any Western media even though their pics all over the internet ... Now see yourself

    Hint:All Sadist killers belongs to ONE RACE.They control media/arms/tourism (fly to Africa to butcher wild animals),manufacture news aka opinions to SPREAD HATE AGAINST EVERYONE through their filthy paid media
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    Interesting and original thread. Many conspiracy theories tie major world events
    To the Rothschild family of Europe. I also want to add that when there was peace
    In the world there was thriving middle class ( especially in the west) now the world
    Is heading towards a 2 class system ( except Asia) where middle class is being
    Destroyed. I do not know if this by design?? Strangely the cartel as you say has
    Built up the middle class in Asia . This is a phenomenon that is rarely discussed.
    There is a return to the feudal system in many western nations where ordinary
    People are nothing more than servants for the feudal lords(corporations).
     
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    There are factions of ISIS in Syria which are pro American ( al nusra )
    Do you think it's all cut And dry? outside influence is not present in these
    terror organizations?
     
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    Of course ...now that ISIS shit has hit the fan...many nations are taking pieces of it and trying to throw at the opponents. This has become a new type of War...like that Paki President ,Zardari said "non-state actors" of a state.
    Also...ISIS has broken all barriers of shame and cruelty because of extreme anger towards the facts that Iraq and Syria have been destroyed totally. This is sad time for humanity....because ..anger begets anger and hate begets more hate...its a vicious cycle.
     
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