The Atheism/Agnosticism Thread

[The Messiah]

As usual,You did not answer my question.

U questioned religion on the basis of some incidents and I question yours based on other incidents.

i am not communist! and should i blame everyone on earth for plundering and looting because of capitalism ?

no i will not stoop to that lowly logic.

 

[KS]

You are right. Religious belief is a very useful way to keep people content with their lives. Of course other things can also make you content with your circumstances, like opium.

Both are different.

There is a difference between optimism & delusion.

Not all questions in life have 'rational' answers and in more cases than not, the quest for rational answers just makes you a cynic/paranoid,

 

[The Messiah]

Both are different.

There is a difference between optimism & delusion.

Not all questions in life have 'rational' answers and in more cases than not, the quest for rational answers just makes you a cynic/paranoid,

Yes we dont have answers now but does that mean we make up an answer like religion does ?

 

[KS]

i am not communist! and should i blame everyone on earth for plundering and looting because of capitalism ?

no i will not stoop to that lowly logic.

See..as mentioned by yourself every idealogy has its faults...but so does they have advantages,

You are just looking @ the disadvantages of one idealogy and basing your conclusion on that.

Socialism,patriotism,nationalism,capitalism,religion,race..everything comes with adv & dis adv.It's just how you see it.

Yes we dont have answers now but does that mean we make up an answer like religion does ?

If it does not get you bogged down and make you a cynic..why not ?

 

[The Messiah]

See..as mentioned by yourself every idealogy has its faults...but so does they have advantages,

You are just looking @ the disadvantages of one idealogy and basing your conclusion on that.

Socialism,patriotism,nationalism,capitalism,religion,race..everything comes with adv & dis adv.It's just how you see it.

communism, capitalism, nationalism etc are different from religions. the former dont claim something for which there is no proof.

 

[Galaxy]

Definition of faith = "belief in something without proof"

belief, way of life, moral values, traditions, customs all change with time....it is only religious people who create a rukus when its time to evolve.

what better thing to be fearful of that cant be proven and is all based on stories and myths ?

Not Myth, Many are facts too.

Faith is some invisible power which always helps you if you are right. I don't know for others but whenever i am in trouble or i go to Vaishno Devi, My many problems are solved. May be it's only physiological. But it worked for me.

I try not to hurt anyone intentionally because that is consider as unethical and wrong as per my religion.

I must confess earlier i was atheist but not i follow my religion (Although I am not so religious). I have seen many so called Atheist, It's 21st century trend but it's never works at least in India. Few of my atheist friends celebrate Diwali and do everything what a common Hindu does. Just they don't worship on daily basis. But who does these days ??

Birth-Marriage-Festival Celebration-Death funeral is done as per religion. Even when you buy a new House or Car, you do some rituals. So where is the concept of Atheist ?

 

[civfanatic]

There is a difference between optimism & delusion.

The atheist response would be that religion itself is also a delusion, because you are believing in things with no factual basis, and therefore there is not much difference between a sincerely religious person who has no worries because he believes he is "in God's hand", and a drug addict who has no worries because he is completely detached from the material world.

Not all questions in life have 'rational' answers and in more cases than not, the quest for rational answers just makes you a cynic/paranoid,

You can accept that not everything in life can be answered without believing in a higher force. Those two beliefs are not mutually exclusive.

 

[KS]

communism, capitalism, nationalism etc are different from religions. the former dont claim something for which there is no proof.

Still they have caused suffering..haven't they ?

 

[Galaxy]

Forget about GOD, that is just part of religion. You don't need to worship GOD to remain religious.

How an Atheist is buried or gets married ?? As per Atheism or Religion ?

 

[The Messiah]

Still they have caused suffering..haven't they ?

So what ? that doesn't make them similar.

Infact religion is worse because it has caused suffering on the basis of faith...people are fighting over something which has no proof of existence. in essence they are fighting over nothing.

 

[The Messiah]

Forget about GOD, that is just part of religion. You don't need to worship GOD to remain religious.

How an Atheist is buried or gets married ?? As per Atheism or Religion ?

atheist can be buried or burned without any religious prayers, chants or rituals being followed.

they can get married in court also.

 

[KS]

The atheist response would be that religion itself is also a delusion, because you are believing in things with no factual basis, and therefore there is not much difference between a sincerely religious person who has no worries because he believes he is "in God's hand", and a drug addict who has no worries because he is completely detached from the material world. []

A theist response would be there is still no proof of NO god. Agnostics are better in this regard. Atheist, just like ultra-conservatives are dogmatic pricks.

You can accept that not everything in life can be answered without believing in a higher force. Those two beliefs are not mutually exclusive.

Religion calls the higher force as God. You can call the same as sugar daddy in your parlance.

 

[KS]

So what ? that doesn't make them similar.

Infact religion is worse because it has caused suffering on the basis of faith...people are fighting over something which has no proof of existence. in essence they are fighting over nothing.

There is no proof of it's absence either.

 

[The Messiah]

A theist response would be there is still no proof of NO god. Agnostics are better in this regard. Atheist, just like ultra-conservatives are dogmatic pricks.

Religion calls the higher force as God. You can call the same as sugar daddy in your parlance.

and why should one believe in a higher force in the first place ?

 

[The Messiah]

There is no proof of it's absence either.

You are saying god exists so it is your priority to prove he exists.

the person making claims always has the responsibility to prove his claims.

 

[Galaxy]

atheist can be buried or burned without any religious prayers, chants or rituals being followed.

they can get married in court also.

I am yet to see an Atheist married in court or funeral is not based on Hindu tradition or his birth religion. Recently, I visited my so called Atheist friend marriage which was based on traditional Hindu marriage.

Atheist is failed concept.

Yes, It did worked in China but that is because there was no religion. Most of the Atheist don't care of religion but their religion remains same till he dies until he converts which itself is another religion.

 

[The Messiah]

I am yet to see an Atheist married in court or funeral is not based on Hindu tradition or his birth religion. Recently, I visited my so called Atheist friend marriage which was based on traditional Hindu marriage.

Atheist is failed concept.

Yes, It did work in China but that is because there was no religion. Most of the Atheist don't care of religion but their religion remains same till he dies until he converts which itself is another religion.

Thats because in India marriage is major social occasion and people go with it to not hurt there family or the family of the girl side.

Religion is on the decline (how many actually follow regularly ?)...the more people get educated and see reason and logic the more they will start asking questions.

 

[Galaxy]

A person can say "I don't follow any God" but that person can't say I don't follow customs/tradition/customs of any religion. It's simply not possible at least in India until that very person is living alone in isolated place. Indian subcontinent people are religious. Only matter is how much person is religious.

According to 2001 census, 99.9% Indians register themselves as follower of 1 religion.

 

[Galaxy]

Thats because in India marriage is major social occasion and people go with it to not hurt there family or the family of the girl side.

Religion is on the decline (how many actually follow regularly ?)...the more people get educated and see reason and logic the more they will start asking questions.

Then what's point to follow Atheism when you can never become True Atheist ?

Almost everyone follows religion in India (99.9%). [This is not my data but official data when people registered their religion]

Well, Hinduism is a way of life. A Person can become atheist but can remain as Hindu. May be that's why, Many Indians ( specially Hindus) don't worship or follow rituals quite often but still they are follower of their religion. AFAIK, I have not seen any Muslims saying, I am Atheist.

 

[Galaxy]

And GOD do exist and this is not debatable at all but depends on individual belief and faith.

Even if you believe or not, You can't be atheist at least in India