terror delinked from talks with pakistan!

[Pintu]

http://ptinews.com/news/192401_No-substantive-talks-till-Pak-ends-anti-India-terror

No substantive talks till Pak ends anti-India terror

STAFF WRITER 18:7 HRS IST

New Delhi, Jul 24 (PTI) Even as it has begun a "limited dialogue" with Pakistan, India today made it clear that resumption of substantive talks will depend on actions by Islamabad which are still not satisfactory.

India is also ready to discuss the "internal" issue of Balochistan with Pakistan as it asserts that its "hands are clean". At the same time, Government sources rubbished a Pakistani media report which claimed that Islamabad had given to New Delhi a "dossier" about India's involvement in Balochistan.

Amid an uproar over delinking of talks from action against terror in the Indo-Pak joint statement, the sources said it had been interpreted wrongly.

According to the Indian interpretation, Pakistan cannot shy away from action against terror irrespective of whether or not the dialogue takes place.

 

[S.A.T.A]

I hate to repeat myself,but its clear the only delinkng that has happened here is, India snapping the composite dialogue following the 26/11.Terrorism is still part of the Indo-pak composite dialogue agenda.

However, i'm afraid i refuse to over indulge the so called 'leverage' angle.Let's admit it we've never had any non military leverage that Indian diplomats could bring to the table.the military option was not exercised when it could perhaps may have yielded results,but if such an option existed or it could have been exercised was for the govt to decide in its own infinite wisdom,since that was not the case we have to assume that option was not viable.

While the fear of India's military reprisal may played its part in Pakistani govt's response post 26/11,that itself is not cause for desperation.What is Pakistan desperate for is to come clean out of the 26/11 conspiracy,atleast from any insinuation of state participation.This has significant bearing upon Pakistan's relations with key strategically important around the world.

This is perhaps the only diplomatic leverage India wields at the moment and this is the principal factor that led to the joint declaration in Egypt.While not calling it international pressure,India has been impressed upon by some these key nations with greater leverage with Pakistan,to allow the Zardari govt some political breathing space,esp since he is under tremendous pressure on the home turf.Zardari regime for all its shortcomings,still continues to be the best bet against the Pan Islamist forces who are increasingly fighting together under single banner.

Despite our disappointment with the progress of the investigation and prosecution of the 26/11 accused in Pakistan,India also cannot disregard the such international opinions if we are to retain whatever leverage we may have.hence the recent seemingly climbdown.

 

[Pintu]

Pak hasn't done enough against terror: India - India - NEWS - The Times of India

Pak hasn't done enough against terror: India
Indrani Bagchi , TNN 25 July 2009, 12:50am IST

NEW DELHI: In damage-control mode after the Sharm el-Sheikh joint statement delinking terrorism from composite dialogue and bringing Balochistan into India-Pak talks, the government has stressed that Islamabad has not taken enough action against terror for the stalled talks to get underway again.

Top level sources in government said no matter how the controversial joint statement was read, India is not going to restart composite dialogue and the engagement with Pakistan will not move beyond a "limited" exchange focussed on terrorism.

The slow retreat from Sharm el-Sheikh, which has now seen the government virtually abandoning the formulation, may well set the stage for Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's intervention when Lok Sabha discusses his foreign tours next week. He can be expected to speak strongly about Pakistan delivering on its anti-terror commitments before any substantive issues are addressed.

But though the government is revising its position, this is not how Pakistan is looking at matters. Pakistani foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, talking to Indian journalists, said Islamabad would be pushing to address the "outstanding" issues by resuming the composite dialogue soon. The joint statement "delinked" composite dialogue from action against terrorism and Pakistan believes it has anyway done more than enough.

Qureshi said, "There is recognition by the Indian foreign secretary (Shivshankar Menon) that cooperation they (India) have received from Pakistan on this occasion is unprecedented. The fact that Pakistan reiterates its position on cooperating with India in bringing perpetrators of Mumbai attacks to justice is a positive development."

Indian sources made it clear that Pakistan has not given any dossier to India on Balochistan. At Sharm el-Sheikh, it was Singh who told Gilani that India was ready to have a conversation on alleged Indian activities in the troubled area of Balochistan.

But if the government was keen on re-engaging with Pakistan, the very nature of the joint statement, and the furore it has caused, will make it difficult for UPA government to resume composite dialogue with Pakistan any time soon.

Sources said the composite dialogue, even when it was on, did not prevent any of the terrorist attacks on India from Pakistan terror groups. This undermines one of the basic premises — absence of violence — from the dialogue.

Given this view of realities, government is toying with the idea of reframing the dialogue with Pakistan. For instance, after the shock of the sudden invitation by ISI chief Shuja Pasha for talks with India had abated, the government is considering ways to "broaden" their view on such engagement.

After all, it is the ISI that runs most of the anti-India operations, using terrorism as Pakistani state policy. So while they are the problem or definitely a part of it, sources in government are wondering whether it might make sense to open another channel of communication, while keeping the civilian government as the main interlocutor.

The reason for this is Pakistan's fragmented power structure, where it no longer makes sense to talk to only one element of that structure. There is also very little expectation that Pakistan will take any serious steps on terror. Several people would remain in custody but that might be it. Leaders like Hafiz Saeed are unlikely to go back to jail and the prosecution on the Mumbai masterminds like Zaki-ud-din Lakhvi and Zarar Shah is likely to take a long time.

While government appears to be brushing aside implications of including Balochistan in the India-Pak ambit, Pakistan has actually been keeping the issue alive. Since 2006, when India and Pakistan started the joint anti-terror mechanism after the Havana NAM summit, Pakistan had supplied India with "leads" of India's alleged actions in Balochistan.

Most of these so-called leads were found to be fake, said sources and are intended to be a way of countering specific information on Lashkar and Jaish activities. Pakistan had also given "dossiers" on India to the US, UK and France around the same time, which also failed to receive traction. And this happened around the time that then Pakistan president Pervez Musharraf was straffing Balochistan to quell insurgency, and killed Akbar Bugti, the Baloch leader in the process.

All of this is now likely to be brought up to be mixed up with India's claims on Pakistan-sponsored terrorism in India. The fallout of this diplomatic faux pas is likely to be felt for some time to come.

 

[Pintu]

India not to resume composite dialogue in hurry

India not to resume composite dialogue in hurry

Ashwani Talwar
First Published : 25 Jul 2009 02:41:00 AM IST
Last Updated : 25 Jul 2009 08: 27:44 AM IST

NEW DELHI: Despite the let’s-get-talking tone of the India- Pakistan joint statement, Delhi won’t resume the composite dialogue in a hurry. Pakistani action so far – a few arrests, and charge sheets against some terrorists – isn’t enough for any substantive dialogue to begin. And even after Pakistan shows results, India might push for a format different from the composite dialogue which was suspended after the Mumbai terror attacks.

That’s the message that the government will try to put out when it faces a debate in Parliament on July 29 on the joint statement.

The statement, issued after the Prime Ministers of the two countries met on the margins of the NAM summit in Egypt, was seen as a climbdown. "Both Prime Ministers recognise that dialogue is the only way forward. Action on terrorism should not be linked to the composite dialogue process," the July 16 statement said.

Trying to contain the fallout, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has already told Parliament that the "starting point" for any "meaningful dialogue" still remains fulfilment by Pakistan of its anti-terror commitments.

The government also insists now that the crucial paragraph in the statement is being "misread".

What India "meant" was that Pakistan should not wait for the resumption of dialogue before taking action against terrorists. The government spin right now is that India has begun a "limited dialogue process", focusing largely on terror. The two foreign secretaries will continue to meet till it develops into something more substantive.

Sources say there is skepticism about going back to the old composite dialogue format, which was based on the premise that it would be held in a violence-free atmosphere.

 

[Ray]

"Swaraj is my birthright, and I shall have it !" said Bal Gangadhar Tilak.

"Being terrorised is my birthright" said someone else who is current!

 

[Pintu]

http://www.ptinews.com/news/194335_Ind-has-nothing-to-do-with-Balochistan--Chidambaram

Ind has nothing to do with Balochistan: Chidambaram

STAFF WRITER 20:54 HRS IST

New Delhi, July 25 (PTI) Home Minister P Chidambaram has said India has nothing to do with Balochistan and wondered why it will do anything there when there are enough problems on its border with Pakistan.

He made it clear that Congress will rally behind the government over the Indo-Pak joint statement when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh speaks in Parliament next week.

Singh will spell out in Parliament the "real meaning" of the document and apprise how Balochistan found "its way" in it, Chidambaram told CNN-IBN.

"We are not involved in Balochistan. We have nothing to do with internal problem of Pakistan. In fact, Baloch leader has said that he gets no support from India," he said.

"Besides, why should we get involved in Balochistan? We have enough problems on our western border with Pakistan," the Home Minister said. .

 

[Energon]

However, i'm afraid i refuse to over indulge the so called 'leverage' angle.Let's admit it we've never had any non military leverage that Indian diplomats could bring to the table.the military option was not exercised when it could perhaps may have yielded results,but if such an option existed or it could have been exercised was for the govt to decide in its own infinite wisdom,since that was not the case we have to assume that option was not viable.

Great post overall, and particularly this part.
I completely agree with you in regards to the lack of a viable non military leverage. I do however truly believe that a successful socioeconomic model is the only thing that can give India the upper hand in the long term.