Sukhoi Su 30MKI

[fire starter]

awesome takeoffff..............................

 

[Hydra3]

Dude I tell you to read mig shot down thread here in this forum,
It's a great thing that you can bring THE Print but not the discussions which us did during those days.
Either you think we were bluffing or you are over the moon on pakis capabilities.

Every airforce have its own capabilities, do not undermine someone else capability. Its always good to overestimate your enemy and feild counter strategies than understimating your enemy.

 

[WolfPack86]

HAL by IAF during the current year and is expecting to get few additional orders for SU-30MKI.

 

[Armand2REP]

HAL by IAF during the current year and is expecting to get few additional orders for SU-30MKI.

Are they really going to close the production line?

 

[Babloo Singh]

Are they really going to close the production line?

May be they will convert it to produce additional Tejas... or who knows may be Rafale's

 

[Armand2REP]

May be they will convert it to produce additional Tejas... or who knows may be Rafale's

There are over 400 local suppliers producing 6000 components worth $12.5 million for each MKI. You can't just replace that kind of eco-system. Those SMEs will go under without government support to retool for different production lines.

 

[Craigs]

There are over 400 local suppliers producing 6000 components worth $12.5 million for each MKI. You can't just replace that kind of eco-system. Those SMEs will go under without government support to retool for different production lines.

I am sure the local producers can do basic math and they didn't enter into the contracts believing it to be in perpetuity.

Besides they will still have maintenance contracts.

 

[Kchontha]

No doubt su 30mki is a potent fighters but it needs upgrade to super sukhoi otherwise it will become obsoletes.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

IAF says No to Russia’s Engine Swap offer for its Su-30MKI fleet

Russian Air Force which had decided that the fresh batch of 36 Su-30SM fighter jets will come equipped with AL-41F-1S engines from 2021 onwards to the levels that match those of the Su-35 which carries the same engine and had offered the same to India for its fleet of 272 Su-30MKI under its ” Super-Sukhoi” modernization program under consideration by IAF with Russia has been turned down. As per information coming in, IAF has decided to not to include any new engine swap upgrade under its ” Super-Sukhoi” modernization program and the focus will remain to upgrade them with new high powerful AESA Radar which will be a derivative of the one used by the Russians on its Su-57E 5th Gen fighter jet and come equipped with upgraded Avionics and electronic warfare system from Su-35 and Su-57E platforms. NPO-AL-41F-1S (117S) turbofan engine with thrust vector control is installed on the Su-35 type aircraft can generate 142 kN of thrusts with its afterburners which is just 19 kN of extra thrusts each when compared to AL-31FP engines which are equipped on the Indian Su-30MKI with thrust vectoring controls. The Russian air force has decided to swap engines of its entire Su-30SM fleet which is based on the Indian Su-30MKI build with AL-41F-1S (117S) turbofan engine which is also used on its Su-35 fleet to maintain commonality of the engine and improve its serviceability but India was offered engine swap for a different reason and it was due to ongoing technical issues with the AL-31FP engines which largely have been fixed but still, some issues remain unresolved. Recently India’s HAL has confirmed that orders for 222 units of Su-30MKI which were locally produced at its Nashik plant at the rate of 12 aircraft per year has been concluded and the company now waits for fresh orders from the IAF which might come soon for another 12 aircraft. HAL, IAF and their Russian counterparts are already in talks to modernize these jets locally and are in talks to decide technology on the offer.

(HAL have license to indigenous AL-31FP and make spares for it and overhaul it same deal for marginally modified AL-31FP is not worth it 2x123KN engines are already more than enough for VWRM conflicts now HAL should use The TOT which we received from Russia to fix AL-31FP issues and work to indigenous it.)

 

[Hydra3]

IAF says No to Russia’s Engine Swap offer for its Su-30MKI fleet

Russian Air Force which had decided that the fresh batch of 36 Su-30SM fighter jets will come equipped with AL-41F-1S engines from 2021 onwards to the levels that match those of the Su-35 which carries the same engine and had offered the same to India for its fleet of 272 Su-30MKI under its ” Super-Sukhoi” modernization program under consideration by IAF with Russia has been turned down. As per information coming in, IAF has decided to not to include any new engine swap upgrade under its ” Super-Sukhoi” modernization program and the focus will remain to upgrade them with new high powerful AESA Radar which will be a derivative of the one used by the Russians on its Su-57E 5th Gen fighter jet and come equipped with upgraded Avionics and electronic warfare system from Su-35 and Su-57E platforms. NPO-AL-41F-1S (117S) turbofan engine with thrust vector control is installed on the Su-35 type aircraft can generate 142 kN of thrusts with its afterburners which is just 19 kN of extra thrusts each when compared to AL-31FP engines which are equipped on the Indian Su-30MKI with thrust vectoring controls. The Russian air force has decided to swap engines of its entire Su-30SM fleet which is based on the Indian Su-30MKI build with AL-41F-1S (117S) turbofan engine which is also used on its Su-35 fleet to maintain commonality of the engine and improve its serviceability but India was offered engine swap for a different reason and it was due to ongoing technical issues with the AL-31FP engines which largely have been fixed but still, some issues remain unresolved. Recently India’s HAL has confirmed that orders for 222 units of Su-30MKI which were locally produced at its Nashik plant at the rate of 12 aircraft per year has been concluded and the company now waits for fresh orders from the IAF which might come soon for another 12 aircraft. HAL, IAF and their Russian counterparts are already in talks to modernize these jets locally and are in talks to decide technology on the offer.

(HAL have license to indigenous AL-31FP and make spares for it and overhaul it same deal for marginally modified AL-31FP is not worth it 2x123KN engines are already more than enough for VWRM conflicts now HAL should use The TOT which we received from Russia to fix AL-31FP issues and work to indigenous it.)

Asper reports we are going for Irbis-E radar for mki, its a pesa radar, any specific reason forbthis? Why we not an AESA?

 

[Armand2REP]

Asper reports we are going for Irbis-E radar for mki, its a pesa radar, any specific reason forbthis? Why we not an AESA?

The same reason they are skipping 117S... price. This is going to be an upgrade on the cheap to save money for new aircraft acquisitions.

 

[WARREN SS]

Asper reports we are going for Irbis-E radar for mki, its a pesa radar, any specific reason forbthis? Why we not an AESA?

Those no reports Just media blabbering
There Is lot Rumours Zhuk MSE then IBRIS-E

IAF is going For AESA in LCA And jaguar

Your really think We Don't Go for AESA in Our Primary fighter

Its Just Media report out there

There is no official word

 

[WARREN SS]

The same reason they are skipping 117S... price. This is going to be an upgrade on the cheap to save money for new aircraft acquisitions.

IBRIS-E News is false No official Word out there

Last Time We Heard anything officially It was About ZHUK -MSE AESA

 

[varun9509]

Those no reports Just media blabbering
There Is lot Rumours Zhuk MSE then IBRIS-E

IAF is going For AESA in LCA And jaguar

Your really think We Don't Go for AESA

Its Just Media report out there

There is no official word

Can't we integrate more powerful version of Uttam on Su30? Will it cause problems like what T72 with Arjun Turret faced? Russian backlash?

Sent from my Redmi 8A Dual using Tapatalk

 

[Armand2REP]

IBRIS-E News is false No official Word out there

Last Time We Heard anything officially It was About ZHUK -MSE AESA

Unless they are skipping over Russia and going for Western upgrades I don't see how it could be anything other than cost savings. To skip 117S is direct evidence of that. I fully expected Super 30 to bring MKI up to Su-35 standard.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

The same reason they are skipping 117S... price. This is going to be an upgrade on the cheap to save money for new aircraft acquisitions.

I understand they want to save money for new aircraft, but not putting AESA on the MKI will be a terrible waste. 272 fighters with AESA, and better missiles, will substantially improve India's aerial defence.

 

[Armand2REP]

I understand they want to save money for new aircraft, but not putting AESA on the MKI will be a terrible waste. 272 fighters with AESA, and better missiles, will substantially improve India's aerial defence.

They never said they weren't putting AESA on it, they just said they weren't getting Russian radar. They could put ELM-2052 1500 module variant for F-15.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

IBRIS-E News is false No official Word out there

Last Time We Heard anything officially It was About ZHUK -MSE AESA

Is Zhuk-ME AESA radar more capable than the Irbis-E radar on the Su-35.
Wasn't the Zhuk AESA meant for smaller fighters like Mig 29 bcoz it lacks range when compared to Irbis-E.
260km for Zhuk AESA compared to 400km for Irbis-E.
Also has the N036 Byelka radar completed development?

 

[Ajax01]

I think Elta 2052 and later scaled up Uttam should be used if russia agrees to it. But scaling up Uttam should start now to give MKIs an Indian option in a reasonable time frame. Unless ofcourse DARE is planning a new kind of larger radar entirely

 

[Hydra3]

Those no reports Just media blabbering
There Is lot Rumours Zhuk MSE then IBRIS-E

IAF is going For AESA in LCA And jaguar

Your really think We Don't Go for AESA in Our Primary fighter

Its Just Media report out there

There is no official word

Irbis E is having monstrous power out, around 20kw, that could be the reason. IAF doesn't want to compromise on range. That zhuk radar developed is optimized for mig35