Sukhoi Su 30MKI

[shiphone]

'the manufacturer website' , Please.....

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LOL, the Su35 in Zhuhai 2014 is just the 8th Serial Production jet ...as a aerial photography Enthusiast group, we followed the Su35's performance DEMO in Moscow, Paris, Zhuhai, and MKM's in LIMA ...obviously it's not so called 'youtube video watching' only'...

BTW sukhoi's web ...

http://www.sukhoi.org/products/samolety/256/

As a powerplant, the aircraft received two TRDDF 117C from the development of NPO Saturn. 117C is the development of the AL-31F engine mounted on the Su-27, and differs from the increased afterburner (from 12,500 kgf to 14500 kgf) and non-sprung (from 7700 to 8,800 kgf) thrust, and also increased by 2 times the designated resource. The engine was able to control the thrust vector by deflecting the nozzle by an angle of up to 15 ° from the neutral position. The joint deflection of the nozzles ensures control of the aircraft in the longitudinal, transverse and track channels.

 

[Sancho]

'the manufacturer website' , Please.....
...as a aerial photography Enthusiast group, we followed the Su35's performance DEMO in Moscow, Paris, Zhuhai, and MKM's in LIMA ...obviously it's not so called 'youtube video watching' only'...

I take manufacturer info's as more credible than, your "observations".

 

[shiphone]

LOL...funny........your so called "manufacturer info" source please, not just those 'screenshots'

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1... again, the Su-35 manufacturer --sukhoi's web ...

http://www.sukhoi.org/products/samolety/256/

2. the 117S manufacturer-- saturn

http://www.npo-saturn.ru/index_old.php?sat=64&slang=1

117S - afterburning turbofan engine with variable axisymmetric vectoring nozzle (deep thrust-life modernization of the AL-31FP engine).

3. at last...this is the the Single-seated Su-35's 'warming-up' before the taking off

 

[Prashant12]

Successful Flight Test of Astra BVR Air-to-Air Missile

Astra, the indigenously developed Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile (BVRAAM), was successfully test fired by the Indian Air Force from Su-30 aircraft, today from Air Force Station, Kalaikunda. The missile successfully engaged a manoeuvring target with high precision meeting the mission objectives. In the series of trials held to date, Astra has been launched in the complete Su-30 flight envelope. The flight test assumes significance as it was part of the series of final pre-induction trials. Astra is the best in class weapon system and has undergone more than twenty developmental trials.

Raksha Mantri Smt Nirmala Sitharaman lauded the efforts of Indian Air Force, DRDO and associated team members involved in the mission and said India has attained a high level of capability in the indigenous design and development of advanced weapon systems.

http://www.pibregional.nic.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1547472#.W6uEDyr3g74.twitter

 

[sorcerer]

IAF gets its first indigenously overhauled Sukhoi

In a major boost to the Indian Air Force's dwindling combat fleet availability, the Base Repair Depot of the IAF has started overhauling the Sukhoi-30 MKI. On Friday, Air Marshal Hemant Sharma, Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief of Maintenance Command handed over the indigenously overhauled Su-30 MKI aircraft to the chief of southwestern air command Air Marshal H.S. Arora.

"In the history of 11 Base Repair Depot (BRD) Ojhar, today (Friday) was a red-letter day when the first overhauled Su-30 MKI aircraft was handed over to the operational squadron of the Indian Air Force," said a defence official. Earlier, the first Su-30 MKI overhauled by this depot successfully took off on April 24 and has been flight-tested for its airworthiness, before inducting it for operational tasks at a flying squadron.

The IAF has a fleet of 272 Sukhoi fighter jets, making it the air force's frontline fighter jet. However, the availability of Sukhoi has been an issue for the IAF because at a given point of time only over 50 per cent of its entire fleet is available for combat missions. Remaining half of the Sukhoi fleet would either be undergoing repairs or grounded due to delay in supply of spare parts.

Similarly, the Ministry of Defence had informed a parliamentary panel that at any given point of time, only over half of the aircraft in the IAF inventory were in a state to fly. A large number of platforms would be usually grounded due to technical issues. It means that of over 700 fighter jets with the IAF, only 350 aircraft are in a state to carry on combat operations, on any given day. The IAF is already struggling with its depleting combat fleet, which has come down to 31 squadrons against the sanctioned 42 squadrons.

Earlier, the IAF used to send its fleet to HAL for overhauling or sometimes, to its original equipment manufacturer (OEM) in Russia for upgrades.


The Ojhar-based 11 BRD is the only fighter aircraft repair depot of the Indian Air Force and undertakes repair and overhaul of frontline fighters such as MIG-29 and Sukhoi-30 MKI. Established on 1974, the base repair depot progressively built and improved the technical expertise and infrastructure over the years and by 1983 it had overhauled 100 Su-7 aircraft.

According to an official, from 1983 to 1988, the depot also undertook overhaul of MIG-21 and production of 28 aircraft. Later, an overhaul facility for MIG-23 aircraft was set up in 1986 and 248 aircraft were overhauled till May 2015. Overhaul of MIG-29 aircraft commenced in the year 1996 and currently, the “upgradation of MIG-29” and Repair & Overhaul (ROH) at Su-30 MKI aircraft is being undertaken at the depot.


"In addition, 11 BRD is the only agency to undertake overhaul of ejection seats and role equipment of Su-30 MKI aircraft, both for IAF and HAL," an official added.

https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2018/10/26/iaf-gets-its-first-indigenously-overhauled-sukhoi.html

 

[Sancho]

How is this different from what I said
Su 37 ----} Su 30MKI ---} Su 35BM

That the BM is not based on MKI, but on the original Su 27M/Su 35.

Su 37 was created as a technology demonstrator to test concepts like TVC,N011 BARS radar, canards and new digital displays for the cockpit while another technology demonstrator under Su 27M project was ongoing.

It shared techs, but on a complete different airframe and design. The MKI is based on the Su 27M/Su 35, which share the same design and techs.
The Su 35BM, was a modified single seat airframe, developed from the original Su 27M/Su 35, with upgraded techs.

 

[vampyrbladez]

That the BM is not based on MKI, but on the original Su 27M/Su 35.



It shared techs, but on a complete different airframe and design. The MKI is based on the Su 27M/Su 35, which share the same design and techs.
The Su 35BM, was a modified single seat airframe, developed from the original Su 27M/Su 35, with upgraded techs.

What is difference? Both have the same origin and hence upgrades in one model can be ported to another. Only difference is canards b/w MKI and BM.

 

[Armand2REP]

IAF gets its first indigenously overhauled Sukhoi

In a major boost to the Indian Air Force's dwindling combat fleet availability, the Base Repair Depot of the IAF has started overhauling the Sukhoi-30 MKI. On Friday, Air Marshal Hemant Sharma, Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief of Maintenance Command handed over the indigenously overhauled Su-30 MKI aircraft to the chief of southwestern air command Air Marshal H.S. Arora.

"In the history of 11 Base Repair Depot (BRD) Ojhar, today (Friday) was a red-letter day when the first overhauled Su-30 MKI aircraft was handed over to the operational squadron of the Indian Air Force," said a defence official. Earlier, the first Su-30 MKI overhauled by this depot successfully took off on April 24 and has been flight-tested for its airworthiness, before inducting it for operational tasks at a flying squadron.

The IAF has a fleet of 272 Sukhoi fighter jets, making it the air force's frontline fighter jet. However, the availability of Sukhoi has been an issue for the IAF because at a given point of time only over 50 per cent of its entire fleet is available for combat missions. Remaining half of the Sukhoi fleet would either be undergoing repairs or grounded due to delay in supply of spare parts.

Similarly, the Ministry of Defence had informed a parliamentary panel that at any given point of time, only over half of the aircraft in the IAF inventory were in a state to fly. A large number of platforms would be usually grounded due to technical issues. It means that of over 700 fighter jets with the IAF, only 350 aircraft are in a state to carry on combat operations, on any given day. The IAF is already struggling with its depleting combat fleet, which has come down to 31 squadrons against the sanctioned 42 squadrons.

Earlier, the IAF used to send its fleet to HAL for overhauling or sometimes, to its original equipment manufacturer (OEM) in Russia for upgrades.


The Ojhar-based 11 BRD is the only fighter aircraft repair depot of the Indian Air Force and undertakes repair and overhaul of frontline fighters such as MIG-29 and Sukhoi-30 MKI. Established on 1974, the base repair depot progressively built and improved the technical expertise and infrastructure over the years and by 1983 it had overhauled 100 Su-7 aircraft.

According to an official, from 1983 to 1988, the depot also undertook overhaul of MIG-21 and production of 28 aircraft. Later, an overhaul facility for MIG-23 aircraft was set up in 1986 and 248 aircraft were overhauled till May 2015. Overhaul of MIG-29 aircraft commenced in the year 1996 and currently, the “upgradation of MIG-29” and Repair & Overhaul (ROH) at Su-30 MKI aircraft is being undertaken at the depot.


"In addition, 11 BRD is the only agency to undertake overhaul of ejection seats and role equipment of Su-30 MKI aircraft, both for IAF and HAL," an official added.

https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2018/10/26/iaf-gets-its-first-indigenously-overhauled-sukhoi.html

My question is when was it supposed to get the first overhauled MKI? The first ones are getting a bit old.

 

[Chinmoy]

My question is when was it supposed to get the first overhauled MKI? The first ones are getting a bit old.

IAF is using overhauled MKI in no's. Only difference is, previously it was send to Russia for getting overhauled. This is the first instance these are getting overhauled entirely in India.

 

[Armand2REP]

IAF is using overhauled MKI in no's. Only difference is, previously it was send to Russia for getting overhauled. This is the first instance these are getting overhauled entirely in India.

It should have happened years ago. What took HAL so long to absorb the technology? How long did it take them to overhaul a single fighter? How long will it take in the future?

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

It should have happened years ago. What took HAL so long to absorb the technology? How long did it take them to overhaul a single fighter? How long will it take in the future?

HAL has already absorbed the technology. Since Indian MKI started to come from 2005 onwards, I don't think there arose a need to overhaul them. Also, due to various problems in serviceability, most of the MKIs remained in hangars for long durations and hence the life of the MKIs are less than what one would get by calculating the years.

If any MKI has to be overhauled henceforth, it will be done in HAL itself.

 

[Sancho]

What is difference? Both have the same origin and hence upgrades in one model can be ported to another. Only difference is canards b/w MKI and BM.

Su 27M/ original Su 35 = Su 37 radar and engine techs on a Su 27 airframe
Su 35 BM = a modified Su 27M/ original Su 35, based in the single seat Su 27 airframe, with further developed radar and engine techs.

Su 35BM has nothing to do with the MKI.

 

[Sancho]

It should have happened years ago. What took HAL so long to absorb the technology? How long did it take them to overhaul a single fighter? How long will it take in the future?

Understand the topic, before you comment on things, for obvious reasons.

26 OCTOBER 2014

HAL Nashik completes upgrade of first IAF Su-30 MKI aircraft

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has successfully completed the upgrade of first Su-30MKI multi-role combat aircraft at its facility in Nashik, Maharashtra, India. ...

..."We have already approached the MoD to step up capacity to 30 fighters per year, which will cater for our requirements into the 2030s."

Of the 30 Su-30MKIs that will be upgraded each year, HAL will modernise 20, while the remaining ten would be overhauled at an IAF base repair depot. ...

https://www.airforce-technology.com...rade-of-first-iaf-su-30-mki-aircraft-4416384/

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10 January 2015
HAL gives air force first overhauled Sukhoi-30

On Friday, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) delivered to the Indian Air Force (IAF) the first Sukhoi-30MKI fighter ever overhauled. Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar travelled to HAL’s new overhaul facility in Nashik --- the first of its kind worldwide --- to hand over the overhauled fighter to IAF boss, Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha. ...

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2015/01/hal-gives-air-force-first-overhauled.html?m=1

 

[vampyrbladez]

Su 27M/ original Su 35 = Su 37 radar and engine techs on a Su 27 airframe
Su 35 BM = a modified Su 27M/ original Su 35, based in the single seat Su 27 airframe, with further developed radar and engine techs.

Su 35BM has nothing to do with the MKI.

Both have the same parentage Su 27M with engines, airframe and radar derived from that baseline.

 

[Defcon 1]

Indigenous Sukhoi-30MKI Costlier Than Russian SU-30 As Specs Not Same: Centre
New Delhi:

The indigenous manufactured Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jet is costlier than the Russian SU-30 as their specifications are not the same and it would not be appropriate to compare costs, the government said Wednesday.

Minister of State for Defence Subhash Bhamre, in a written answer to a question in Lok Sabha, said the higher cost of indigenously manufactured SU-30MKI is due to factors such as additional modifications incorporated in the plane to enhance the operational capability to suit the Indian Air Force's requirements.

The minister said that being a transfer of technology (ToT) programme, cost is involved towards payment of license fee to the Russian side.

Owing to the low volume of production of Indian SU-30 MKI as compared to Russian SU-30, economies of scale come into play, Mr Bhamre said.

Import of raw materials and proprietary components from Russia involves dependency on Russian Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs) for the offered kit costs, which are not proportionate with the kit contents, he said.

The minister, however, asserted that indigenous manufacturing has created advanced skill sets in the country, a step towards self-reliance and will result in lower life cycle cost and reduced dependency on OEM, repair, maintenance, faster turn-around time, and quick support to IAF bases.

Since the facilities are indigenous, future production supplies is likely to be cheaper if new order for bulk production is placed on Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, Mr Bhamre said.

To another question, Mr Bhamre said 31 fighter squadrons are operational in Indian Air Force and 36 Rafale jets have been requisitioned in ready-made fly away condition.

Responding to another question, he said currently, 195 out of 593 posts are vacant in Armed Forces Tribunal which include group A, B, and C posts as well as members.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ind...ussian-su-30-as-specs-not-same-centre-1971731

 

[mayfair]

https://www.livefistdefence.com/201...levated-chance-of-iaf-su-30-order-to-hal.html

@Advaidhya Tiwari

Your comments on this

In a related development, with the Su-30 MKI production run in its final leg, HAL and its partners have only just mastered all phases of license production of the AL-31FP engine in Koraput, Odisha, including ‘Phase V’ which involves building brand new engines from raw materials, and not simply assembling them from parts. HAL has also additionally mastered the capital overhaul of AL-31FP engines and its aggregates locally, all of it still monitored though by a guarantee team from Russia.

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A senior HAL source said, “The licensed production of the Russian AL-31FP turbofan engines powering Su-30MKI multirole fighters at HAL’s engine division in Koraput is being successfully implemented in accordance with the contracts concluded earlier by Rosoboronexport. It’s a successful example of Make in India. AL-31FP engines are being manufactured and assembled from the kits delivered by the Ufa-based UEC-UMPO (producer of AL-31FP, part of UEC) production company.”

Both within the same article...

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

https://www.livefistdefence.com/201...levated-chance-of-iaf-su-30-order-to-hal.html

@Advaidhya Tiwari

Your comments on this



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Both within the same article...

The quote is ancient one. It gets being repeated blindly. At best, India manufactures Al31-FP indigenously according to the standards certified by UEC as the TOT involves guarantee of technology by UEC and technical assistance if something goes wrong. But imports from UEC is old news.

 

[WolfPack86]

#IAF planning to order 8 new Su-30MKI combat aircraft from HAL

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Seeking to make up for the losses in different crashes, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is planning to place an order for eight new Su-30MKI combat aircraft from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), likely to be worth over Rs 3,000 crore.

"The plan is to acquire eight new Su-30MKI combat planes," top Indian Air Force sources told ANI.

"We have lost a few aircraft in accidents over a period of time and to make up for the losses, we are looking to place orders for eight new Su-30MKI combat aircraft," the sources said.

The IAF sources said media reports suggesting that the force was looking to acquire 40 new Su-30MKI planes was news to them.

As per reports, the HAL has made an offer of selling 40 Su-30MKI planes to the force with latest upgrades and the offer is seen as an emergency measure for the Air Force to meet its requirement for combat planes in view of the dwindling fighter squadrons.
The IAF has already inducted around 12 squadrons of the formidable heavyweight air superiority aircraft which were first inducted in the year 2000.

A total of 272 Su-30MKI planes have been ordered from Russia in different batches by the Air Force to tackle the fall in the number of squadrons of the fighter planes.
The Su-30MKI was inducted by the Air Force to fill the gap created by the retiring MiG-21s, MiG27s, MiG-23s and the other older generation planes such as the MiG-29s and the Jaguars and is not in the four-plus generation planes like the Rafale fighter jets.

The Air Force has been sanctioned 42 squadrons of fighter planes by the government but due to the phase-out and number-plating of squadrons of older planes, it is now left with only 31 squadrons.

The Air Force is now looking at the induction of two squadrons of Rafale planes along with a plan for acquiring 114 multirole fighter planes to meet the shortfall.

The mainstay of the IAF is Su-30MKIs, MiG-21 Bisons, Mirage-2000, Jaguars and MiG-29s.
.https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamAMCA/photos/?ref=page_internal

 

[rone]

Why don't we go for 112 super sukoi for this mmca role, fast production gud logistics almost all spare parts available in house only engine and new avoincs have get from abroad

 

[Chinmoy]

Why don't we go for 112 super sukoi for this mmca role, fast production gud logistics almost all spare parts available in house only engine and new avoincs have get from abroad

Because on the onset MKI is an Air Superiority fighter with limited A2G role. Moreover it would come into Heavy category rather then Medium.