IndianHawk
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Nope we are done with Russian birds. It's only Indian and Western now and in a decade only indian.
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Can you please provide the link to where it states that Su 30MKI comms were jammed. Su 30MKI lights up a radar for sure, but I highly doubt they evaded it just because of their superior maneuverability, I am almost certain we used some sort of jamming, after all it's an air superiority fighter with a big ass radar.
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Lets see, the PAF uses the SAAB ERIEYE, they just didn't sent it for painting our jets on its radar, it has good ECM capabilities, disrupting comms. Meanwhile there other formation of F16, Mirage and J17 (the whole strike package) engaged our jets using ATA. There goals is to allow them gain better air superiority, since firing first pins the adversary aircraft into defensive maneuvering. An Aim120c can home to its target even being jammed, basically it then follows to the source of Jamming aircraft, so if SU30MKI used its ELTA jamming pods, AIM120C ATA missile will home on to the source i.e. the Jamming Pod.
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Do we even need that amount of thrust specially considering we already make AL 31 in India the extra amount to be paid must be justified.
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Having supercruise is useful for any fighter.
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Forget it. He is another IAF fanboy............
Their weird stories are mind boggling.
Bhailog atleast believe what IAF said. Why make fantasies yourself, it’s laughable anyway.
BVRMs are meant to be fired from long range. It’s a widely used tactic against Russian jets which are more manoeuvrable, to force them to defensive mode. Before making stories, please read some books and watch some simulations.
Also read about FOX1 , 2 and 3 and how and why they are used .
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My first video is not available so here is a short cut from the original. Pretty unique and impressive to see a missile launch from a jet going vertically and then almost immediately the missile changes course. You can see the missile ‘pop’ out before it launches:
Looks like some redesign changes; note the right lower base of the right side stabilizer. It looks like they changed it extensively. It has a lower profile with more aggressive canting:
Looks like some redesign changes; note the right lower base of the right side stabilizer. It looks like they changed it extensively. It has a lower profile with more aggressive canting:
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What does this have to do with the SU-57? Since we are on the topic of Chinese aircraft, its not just odd but negligent for China to put out aircraft into production with such few prototypes constructed. Since 2012 this is only the 2nd or possibly 3rd prototype of the J-31
By now China should have had at least 7-8 prototypes. The first prototype should test airframe strength and possibly stealth, usually this is a none flying prototype. Then comes at least one prototype or several prototypes that tests flight characteristics, then a least one or several prototypes test avionics and weapons and finally comes the pre serial prototype. It takes most western countries and Russia at least 10-12 years of testing and trials before they induct fighters aircraft while China pumps out aircraft from test flight to introduction in 7-8 years.
This is another instance of typical Chinese shortcuts, where they rather steal technology and try to make inferior copies then try to design something on their own from the ground up where they fully understand and test the technology. It reminds me of the rash of J-15 (SU-33 copy) crashes where their was a fault in the flight software, one also caught fire. They likely did with the J-15 what they did with other Chinese aircraft, steal intellectual property, reverse engineer something they don’t fully understand and they do minimal testing.
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Why was it externally mounted?
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It wasn’t, it popped out of the wing mounted weapons bay. Its pylons are also nowhere near where the missile was launched from....
Look carefully:
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HVT hinting out something........
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How Egypt Ruined the MiG-23 and Compromised Soviet Aerial Warfare Capabilities: President Anwar Sadat's Cold War Betrayal
March-29th-2020
MiG-23 Flogger Swept Wing Fighters and Egyptian President Anwar Sadat
Following the overthrow of its Western aligned monarchy in 1952 Egypt emerged as a leading client for Soviet armaments, acquiring 80 MiG-15 fighters and 30 IL-28 bombers in an initial batch of purchases made in 1955 alongside equipment for the country's ground forces such as T-34 and IS-3 tanks and a range of artillery and armoured transports. This single purchase accounted for 85 percent of all weaponry shipped to the Middle East in the five year period from 1951-1956, and when supplemented with Soviet training it quickly turned the country into a leading military power unrivalled among African or Arab states. Egypt would subsequently receive new generations of combat jets, which for its Air Force included newer MiG-17, MiG-19 and MiG-21 fighters, Su-17 strike fighters and Tu-16 medium bombers - providing it with one of the most capable air wings in the world.
Egyptian Chief of Staff Saad Al Shazly
Egypt was able to afford this massive arsenal due largely to Soviet aid, regarding which the chief of staff of the Egyptian armed forces Saad Al Shazly noted in his memoirs:
"The Soviets have been as generous to the Arabs in price as they have been in quantity. Soviet weapons are cheap anyway: about half the price of their nearest Western equivalents. In addition, the Soviets offer munificent repayment terms, especially to countries in real need. Commonly, the Soviets will write off half the purchase price and give a loan for the remainder at perhaps two percent interest a year, with a grace period of three to seven years and repayment over a further 15 years."
Much of this debt would be forgiven, meaning weapons were provided almost free of charge. Despite this generous aid, which provided a very considerable material advantage both quantitatively and qualitatively, Egyptian forces notably failed repeatedly to effectively engage neighbouring Israel in multiple conflicts in the 20 years after 1955 - an issue which only worsened after Soviet military advisors were expelled from the country in 1972.
Soviet-built Tu-16 Bombers in the Egyptian Air Force
Despite signs of the beginnings of an anti-Soviet policy from Egypt's new President Anwar Sadat, who assumed power in 1970 after the death of his strongly Soviet aligned predecessor Gamal Abdel Nasser, the USSR continued to provide Egypt with state of the art armaments both to prepare for the Yom Kippur War in October 1973 and afterwards to further bolster its defences. While Egypt's material advantage in the field was overwhelming during the war, poor tactics due to political interventions by the president in military planning ultimately led to an Egyptian defeat. Seeking new combat jets which could better contest air superiority against Israeli F-4E Phantoms, Egypt was provided with the Soviet MiG-23 Flogger - a new third generation swept wing design which could outperform the F-4. The fighter integrated a new generation of sensors and air to air missiles, and Egypt was the second country after Syria to receive the jets. The first unit was operational before the end of 1974.
Ultimately the MiG-23 represented part of the last major arms delivery to Egypt from the Soviet Union, with the country's new president adopting a strongly westphalian position, pivoting to the Western Bloc and downgrading diplomatic and defence ties with Moscow. While Egypt was expected to have been a leading client for new MiG-23 variants then under development, and for new more capable jets which would soon afterwards be offered for export such as the MiG-25 and MiG-29, its defection to the Western Bloc would leave remaining Soviet partners in the region such as Libya and Syria in a far weaker position. The Anwar Sadat government would further go on to undermine Soviet and allied interests by providing the MiG-23 to the United States.
Syrian Air Force MiG-23
Chief of Staff Saad Al Shazly, who was subsequently removed from his position and exiled by the Sadat government, stated in his memoirs regarding Egypt's role in compromising Soviet weapons technologies including the MiG-23 and the new 2K12 KuB air defence system:
"The Soviet Union supplies its weapons subject only to two conditions: that they not be used against Soviet interests, and that their secrets be preserved. For reasons already given, the Soviet Union considers that the struggle against Israel is in its interests. And the insistence upon security reflects the fact that the Soviet Union supplies to the Arabs virtually the same weapons that it relies upon for its own security and that of its allies in Europe. In that regard, we may expect the Soviets to be in the future a good deal more demanding in their security requirements after the betrayal by Sadat. When he broke with the Soviets in 1974, Sadat put all the sophisticated Soviet weaponry Egypt’s armed forces possessed at the disposal of America.
The damage this did to the Arab cause was incalculable; its effects will be felt for years. When reports began to surface in the late 1970s that Sadat had even delivered four MiG-23 fighter aircraft to the United States, they were indignantly denied in Egypt. On 26 April 1984, the death of U.S. Air Force General Robert Bond while piloting a MiG-23 confirmed the secret that even Sadat had been ashamed to confess. But of course the result of his betrayal has been, and for years to come will be, not American but Arab deaths. The success of the Israeli Air Force in destroying 18 Syrian battalions of the Soviet made SAM-6 [2K12 Kub – the most advanced air defence system deployed in the Yom Kippur War] anti-aircraft missiles in Lebanon in June 1982, a victory which opened the door to Israel’s slaughter in Lebanon, was possible only because American experts had passed to Israel the results of their long study of those missiles, courtesy of Sadat, and their perfection of electronic counter-measures to defeat them."
North Korean MiG-23 Fighters
The consequences of Egypt's passing on MiG-23 fighters to the United States, a state of the art fighter which had barely begun to enter service, went well beyond the Middle East. The fighters were deployed by a range of operators, from Cuban air units in Latin America and Angola to North Korean and Vietnamese air units in East Asia as well as the Warsaw Pact nations and the Soviet Union itself. The defences of all these parties among others were seriously undermined by the actions of the new Egyptian leadership. The MiG-23 was a potentially formidable design, with its powerful Khatchaturov R-35-300 engine putting out the same amount of thrust as the F110 powering American F-15 and F-16 fighters which gave the lighter Flogger an extremely high thrust/weight ratio. Although suffering from overcomplexity and high maintenance requirements, and on earlier variants from limited situational awareness at close ranges, the fighter had the potential to perform much better as the design was further upgraded had the program not faced a serious compromise so early on. The MiG-23 remains in service in large numbers today in Russian reserve units, and enhanced variants are deployed by a number of former Soviet defence clients such as Syria, North Korea and Ethiopia.
MiG-23 Flogger Swept Wing Fighters
March-29th-2020
MiG-23 Flogger Swept Wing Fighters and Egyptian President Anwar Sadat
Following the overthrow of its Western aligned monarchy in 1952 Egypt emerged as a leading client for Soviet armaments, acquiring 80 MiG-15 fighters and 30 IL-28 bombers in an initial batch of purchases made in 1955 alongside equipment for the country's ground forces such as T-34 and IS-3 tanks and a range of artillery and armoured transports. This single purchase accounted for 85 percent of all weaponry shipped to the Middle East in the five year period from 1951-1956, and when supplemented with Soviet training it quickly turned the country into a leading military power unrivalled among African or Arab states. Egypt would subsequently receive new generations of combat jets, which for its Air Force included newer MiG-17, MiG-19 and MiG-21 fighters, Su-17 strike fighters and Tu-16 medium bombers - providing it with one of the most capable air wings in the world.
Egyptian Chief of Staff Saad Al Shazly
Egypt was able to afford this massive arsenal due largely to Soviet aid, regarding which the chief of staff of the Egyptian armed forces Saad Al Shazly noted in his memoirs:
"The Soviets have been as generous to the Arabs in price as they have been in quantity. Soviet weapons are cheap anyway: about half the price of their nearest Western equivalents. In addition, the Soviets offer munificent repayment terms, especially to countries in real need. Commonly, the Soviets will write off half the purchase price and give a loan for the remainder at perhaps two percent interest a year, with a grace period of three to seven years and repayment over a further 15 years."
Much of this debt would be forgiven, meaning weapons were provided almost free of charge. Despite this generous aid, which provided a very considerable material advantage both quantitatively and qualitatively, Egyptian forces notably failed repeatedly to effectively engage neighbouring Israel in multiple conflicts in the 20 years after 1955 - an issue which only worsened after Soviet military advisors were expelled from the country in 1972.
Soviet-built Tu-16 Bombers in the Egyptian Air Force
Despite signs of the beginnings of an anti-Soviet policy from Egypt's new President Anwar Sadat, who assumed power in 1970 after the death of his strongly Soviet aligned predecessor Gamal Abdel Nasser, the USSR continued to provide Egypt with state of the art armaments both to prepare for the Yom Kippur War in October 1973 and afterwards to further bolster its defences. While Egypt's material advantage in the field was overwhelming during the war, poor tactics due to political interventions by the president in military planning ultimately led to an Egyptian defeat. Seeking new combat jets which could better contest air superiority against Israeli F-4E Phantoms, Egypt was provided with the Soviet MiG-23 Flogger - a new third generation swept wing design which could outperform the F-4. The fighter integrated a new generation of sensors and air to air missiles, and Egypt was the second country after Syria to receive the jets. The first unit was operational before the end of 1974.
Ultimately the MiG-23 represented part of the last major arms delivery to Egypt from the Soviet Union, with the country's new president adopting a strongly westphalian position, pivoting to the Western Bloc and downgrading diplomatic and defence ties with Moscow. While Egypt was expected to have been a leading client for new MiG-23 variants then under development, and for new more capable jets which would soon afterwards be offered for export such as the MiG-25 and MiG-29, its defection to the Western Bloc would leave remaining Soviet partners in the region such as Libya and Syria in a far weaker position. The Anwar Sadat government would further go on to undermine Soviet and allied interests by providing the MiG-23 to the United States.
Syrian Air Force MiG-23
Chief of Staff Saad Al Shazly, who was subsequently removed from his position and exiled by the Sadat government, stated in his memoirs regarding Egypt's role in compromising Soviet weapons technologies including the MiG-23 and the new 2K12 KuB air defence system:
"The Soviet Union supplies its weapons subject only to two conditions: that they not be used against Soviet interests, and that their secrets be preserved. For reasons already given, the Soviet Union considers that the struggle against Israel is in its interests. And the insistence upon security reflects the fact that the Soviet Union supplies to the Arabs virtually the same weapons that it relies upon for its own security and that of its allies in Europe. In that regard, we may expect the Soviets to be in the future a good deal more demanding in their security requirements after the betrayal by Sadat. When he broke with the Soviets in 1974, Sadat put all the sophisticated Soviet weaponry Egypt’s armed forces possessed at the disposal of America.
The damage this did to the Arab cause was incalculable; its effects will be felt for years. When reports began to surface in the late 1970s that Sadat had even delivered four MiG-23 fighter aircraft to the United States, they were indignantly denied in Egypt. On 26 April 1984, the death of U.S. Air Force General Robert Bond while piloting a MiG-23 confirmed the secret that even Sadat had been ashamed to confess. But of course the result of his betrayal has been, and for years to come will be, not American but Arab deaths. The success of the Israeli Air Force in destroying 18 Syrian battalions of the Soviet made SAM-6 [2K12 Kub – the most advanced air defence system deployed in the Yom Kippur War] anti-aircraft missiles in Lebanon in June 1982, a victory which opened the door to Israel’s slaughter in Lebanon, was possible only because American experts had passed to Israel the results of their long study of those missiles, courtesy of Sadat, and their perfection of electronic counter-measures to defeat them."
North Korean MiG-23 Fighters
The consequences of Egypt's passing on MiG-23 fighters to the United States, a state of the art fighter which had barely begun to enter service, went well beyond the Middle East. The fighters were deployed by a range of operators, from Cuban air units in Latin America and Angola to North Korean and Vietnamese air units in East Asia as well as the Warsaw Pact nations and the Soviet Union itself. The defences of all these parties among others were seriously undermined by the actions of the new Egyptian leadership. The MiG-23 was a potentially formidable design, with its powerful Khatchaturov R-35-300 engine putting out the same amount of thrust as the F110 powering American F-15 and F-16 fighters which gave the lighter Flogger an extremely high thrust/weight ratio. Although suffering from overcomplexity and high maintenance requirements, and on earlier variants from limited situational awareness at close ranges, the fighter had the potential to perform much better as the design was further upgraded had the program not faced a serious compromise so early on. The MiG-23 remains in service in large numbers today in Russian reserve units, and enhanced variants are deployed by a number of former Soviet defence clients such as Syria, North Korea and Ethiopia.
MiG-23 Flogger Swept Wing Fighters
scatterStorm
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When the video show 4 SU-57 flying in formation, two break of nose down... umm, new tactic? Later then demonstrating flying extremely low, then stick pull to gain altitude very fast, I think faster than previous SU57s? So to sum it up, you fly at tree-level, concealed weapons in weapon bay, then when you paint a target above, you immediately gain altitude and fire of a BVRAAM. What could this have a possibly advantage, considering the missile energy will blead at low altitudes very fast, due to high atmospheric drag. Usually pilots want to gain altitude and then fire Fox-3.
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https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/sukhoi-plans-for-su-57-stealth-fighter-deliveries-in-2020/
Sukhoi Plans for Su-57 Stealth Fighter Deliveries in 2020.The Russian Aerospace Forces will begin receiving the Su-57 this year, according to Sukhoi Corporation.
Sukhoi Corporation aims to start deliveries of its Su-57 fighter aircraft, Russia’s first purported indigenously designed and built fifth-generation stealth fighter, to the Russian Aerospace Forces in 2020, according to a company representative who spoke to Shephard earlier this month.
Deliveries were initially scheduled to begin in late 2019 with the Aerospace Forces slated to take delivery of two Su-57s in 2019 and two more in 2020. However, a December 2019 crash of a Su-57—thought to be the first serial-produced fighter—during a flight test reportedly delayed the transfer of the first batch of aircraft by several months.
Russian defense officials already in December 2019, however, emphasized that the first Su-57 will be handed over to the Aerospace Forces in 2020.
“Large-scale work awaits us in 2020 to stabilize the aircraft industry,” the head of Rostec, Sergei Chemezov, was quoted as saying on December 26 last year by TASS news agency. “The first large-scale deliveries of the fifth-generation Su-57 aircraft will begin.”
The Russian Aerospace Forces are currently testing 10 Su-57 prototypes, four of which reportedly have flown combat missions in Syria. The Su-57 conducted air strikes for the first time in the war torn country in early 2018. The Chief of Staff, of the Russian Armed Forces, First Deputy Defense Minister General Valery Gerasimov, revealed in December 2019 that the Su-57 had undergone a “second combat testing” in Syria “during which all tasks planned were successfully performed.”
The service is also using three airframes for ground testing.
All Su-57 prototypes have been fitted with a derivative of the Russian-made Saturn AL-41F1S engine, the AL-41F1, an older aircraft engine also installed on the Sukhoi Su-35S Flanker-E. It is unclear when production will shift to the more advanced Saturn izdeliye 30 engine.
In May 2019, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that the Aerospace Forces will receive 76 Su-57s by 2028. A contract between the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) was signed in July 2019.
Sukhoi Plans for Su-57 Stealth Fighter Deliveries in 2020.The Russian Aerospace Forces will begin receiving the Su-57 this year, according to Sukhoi Corporation.
Sukhoi Corporation aims to start deliveries of its Su-57 fighter aircraft, Russia’s first purported indigenously designed and built fifth-generation stealth fighter, to the Russian Aerospace Forces in 2020, according to a company representative who spoke to Shephard earlier this month.
Deliveries were initially scheduled to begin in late 2019 with the Aerospace Forces slated to take delivery of two Su-57s in 2019 and two more in 2020. However, a December 2019 crash of a Su-57—thought to be the first serial-produced fighter—during a flight test reportedly delayed the transfer of the first batch of aircraft by several months.
Russian defense officials already in December 2019, however, emphasized that the first Su-57 will be handed over to the Aerospace Forces in 2020.
“Large-scale work awaits us in 2020 to stabilize the aircraft industry,” the head of Rostec, Sergei Chemezov, was quoted as saying on December 26 last year by TASS news agency. “The first large-scale deliveries of the fifth-generation Su-57 aircraft will begin.”
The Russian Aerospace Forces are currently testing 10 Su-57 prototypes, four of which reportedly have flown combat missions in Syria. The Su-57 conducted air strikes for the first time in the war torn country in early 2018. The Chief of Staff, of the Russian Armed Forces, First Deputy Defense Minister General Valery Gerasimov, revealed in December 2019 that the Su-57 had undergone a “second combat testing” in Syria “during which all tasks planned were successfully performed.”
The service is also using three airframes for ground testing.
All Su-57 prototypes have been fitted with a derivative of the Russian-made Saturn AL-41F1S engine, the AL-41F1, an older aircraft engine also installed on the Sukhoi Su-35S Flanker-E. It is unclear when production will shift to the more advanced Saturn izdeliye 30 engine.
In May 2019, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that the Aerospace Forces will receive 76 Su-57s by 2028. A contract between the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) was signed in July 2019.
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Su 57 QWIP IRST
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The 101KS-V is also sometimes referred to as the OLS-50M which is an advanced IRST based on the revolutionary Quantum Well Imaging Photodetectors (QWIP) technology. These new generation IRST systems have the potential to operate in a much wider spectral bandwidth that includes the very longwave 15 micron band to detect very cool targets. They can also be made to operate simultaneously in several different bandwidths. . This sensor can detect, identify, and track multiple airborne targets simultaneously.
Su 57 s QWIP IRST OLS 50 M can detect stealthy aircrafts at greater distance than its radar. QWIP is the most advanced technology in the field of IRST. It can simultaneously detect and track of aircraft exhausts, jet-plumes and missile flares. Russia has decades of experience in the integration of infrared sensors into its weapons systems, and QWIPs could well become the primary sensor and radar the secondary for its anti stealth missions.
The IRST housing is turned backwards when not in use, and its rear is treated with radar-absorbent material (RAM) to reduce its radar return. And its glass cover also has a thin film of Radar deflecting materials (Indium – tin Oxide)
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The 101KS-V is also sometimes referred to as the OLS-50M which is an advanced IRST based on the revolutionary Quantum Well Imaging Photodetectors (QWIP) technology. These new generation IRST systems have the potential to operate in a much wider spectral bandwidth that includes the very longwave 15 micron band to detect very cool targets. They can also be made to operate simultaneously in several different bandwidths. . This sensor can detect, identify, and track multiple airborne targets simultaneously.
Su 57 s QWIP IRST OLS 50 M can detect stealthy aircrafts at greater distance than its radar. QWIP is the most advanced technology in the field of IRST. It can simultaneously detect and track of aircraft exhausts, jet-plumes and missile flares. Russia has decades of experience in the integration of infrared sensors into its weapons systems, and QWIPs could well become the primary sensor and radar the secondary for its anti stealth missions.
The IRST housing is turned backwards when not in use, and its rear is treated with radar-absorbent material (RAM) to reduce its radar return. And its glass cover also has a thin film of Radar deflecting materials (Indium – tin Oxide)
