Sukhoi PAK FA

[asianobserve]

#Nigeria is discussing with #Russia the possibility of buying Su-57 fighters, and is also interested in helicopters, tanks and reconnaissance equipment, said Nigerian Ambassador to Russia Steve Davis Ugba.

Myanmar, and now Nigeria. That's a great club of countries lining up for Su-57...

 

[Defcon 1]

Myanmar, and now Nigeria. That's a great club of countries lining up for Su-57...

They brought JF-17 and are unsatisfied with it

 

[bhramos]

The prototype of the Su-57 fighter (T-50 PAK FA) 051 at MAKS-2019 Photo: Maxim Teplov and Yuri Stepanov

 

[bhramos]

The UEC-#Klimov believes that Russia needs to return to single-engine jet fighters.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

The level of sensor fusion, data sharing as well as weapons delivery and autonomy integrated between the S-70 and SU-57 is like nothing France or Israeli or India have.

Lol. I highly doubt that. Rafale's sensor suite and EW system is better if not vastly superior to the Su-57. The SPECTRA EW suite alone allows intense SEAD operations.
In fact, its sensor suite capable of observing and performing intelligence operations has been highly regarded in the USAF as pointed out during red flag exercises.
Russian aircraft are good in terms of cost effectiveness and ruggedness of performance. Where they fall behind is mostly in EW, the avionics and engine design. Also the engines that they have been using needs some serious looking into as they are plagued with issues.

What you're saying about in terms of data sharing with the S70 could be true. Unless and until they are demonstrated that they are that good, which would mean, the S70 proving itself to be a lethal platform. No offense, but uptil now, most Russian products have been over-hyped. All the Su series aircraft uptil now have been hyped so much but falls a little pale in comparison to the f series and the European aircraft. Which is why the host/client air forces adopt for extensive after market modifications.

the turn around time for the Su30 is close to 6 hour after every sortie. The Rafale's turn around time is less than 45 minutes. Engine issues with the Su30 has been abhorrently bad. Like really bad.

 

[Neptune]

Lol. I highly doubt that. Rafale's sensor suite and EW system is better if not vastly superior to the Su-57. The SPECTRA EW suite alone allows intense SEAD operations.
In fact, its sensor suite capable of observing and performing intelligence operations has been highly regarded in the USAF as pointed out during red flag exercises.
Russian aircraft are good in terms of cost effectiveness and ruggedness of performance. Where they fall behind is mostly in EW, the avionics and engine design. Also the engines that they have been using needs some serious looking into as they are plagued with issues.

Again I have stated to keep Rafale out of this thread as this is an SU-57 thread. And I still stand by my comments, not France nor Israelis have a drone that shares information like the S-70 does with other aircraft nor do they have the weapons strike capabilities that the SU-57/S-70 provides, sorry that’s just a fact.

As for Israeli avionics, they are overrated, they proved mediocre to worthless on the 27th when that Mig-21 was downed. Same thing happened to an Israeli F-16 when it was downed by ancient Syrian S-200 and the same thing happened to a Turkish F-4 Terminator with Israeli avionics, the common denominator is the Israeli jammers don’t jam anything. As with Russia they have disabled and jammed US electric warfare aircraft as well as GPS signals. The Israeli jammers can not even jam crude Soviet missiles. Israelis weapons have a lot of lobbyists and hype but perform poorly in actuality.



Another example is Israeli air defense systems, the SPYDER could no even do basic IFF which resulted in a downed Indian helicopter. The Americans are now basically refusing the highly taunted Iron Dome which was pushed by US Jewish politicians. It is a poor system that constantly fails to intercept crude unguided rockets and we cannot forget the Merkava tank, it was exposed in 2006 by Hezbollah.

Back in 2004 when Indian pilots trashed F-15s it was when they were flying base SU-30s, after installing foreign systems they never seemed to perform as well. Israeli systems are not as good as you think and Russian ones are not as bad as you think. On paper these Israeli or western avionics look good, they don’t always work well though, they especially seem to not integrate well.

 

[bhramos]

Test flight T-50 with the new engine of the second stage - "Type 30". October 2019, LII named after Gromov.

 

[asianobserve]

The US booted Turkey from the F-35 program — now Turkey is in 'advanced' negotiations to buy Russia's Su-35 fighter jet

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bu...to-buy-russian-su35-after-exiting-f35-2019-10

So Putin showed off Su-57 to Erdo but Erdo still preferred the older Su-27 based Su-35? Oh man, oh man....

 

[Armand2REP]

So Putin showed off Su-57 to Erdo but Erdo still preferred the older Su-27 based Su-35? Oh man, oh man....

It still isn't ready for prime time. The engine and radar developments are nowhere near complete. It will probably achieve FOC the same year as SCAF.

 

[bhramos]

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[asianobserve]

It still isn't ready for prime time. The engine and radar developments are nowhere near complete. It will probably achieve FOC the same year as SCAF.

But obly Myanmar has shown intetest to buy it until now....

 

[Armand2REP]

But obly Myanmar has shown intetest to buy it until now....

Everyone shows interest until they learn it is just an overpriced Su-35... then they buy Su-35. Until the engines and radar are ready it is not a serious contender.

 

[asianobserve]

Everyone shows interest until they learn it is just an overpriced Su-35... then they buy Su-35. Until the engines and radar are ready it is not a serious contender.

So Myanmar can afford it while Turkeu cannot? What I'm saying is that the capabilities of SU-57 does not justidy its price (even if fully developed) over SU-35.

 

[Armand2REP]

So Myanmar can afford it while Turkeu cannot? What I'm saying is that the capabilities of SU-57 does not justidy its price (even if fully developed) over SU-35.

Once it is fully developed it is justified. It will super cruise, have a working AESA and internal weapons storage. It might not be stealth but it is far better than a Su-35.

 

[asianobserve]

Once it is fully developed it is justified. It will super cruise, have a working AESA and internal weapons storage. It might not be stealth but it is far better than a Su-35.

All indications point otherwise. If the promise of SU-57 is really there then orders or st least commitments will be lining up. But most major air forces are refusing to commit to it forcing the Russians to court countroes like Myanmar.

 

[Armand2REP]

All indications point otherwise. If the promise of SU-57 is really there then orders or st least commitments will be lining up. But most major air forces are refusing to commit to it forcing the Russians to court countroes like Myanmar.

They are refusing to commit because Russia has not proven themselves in meeting time schedules for developing technologies. Su-35 is ready now and much cheaper than a Su-57 with Su-35 guts.

 

[asianobserve]

... with Su-35 guts.

This is the most important part.

 

[bhramos]

Photo of the first fifth-generation serial fighter Su-57 for the Russian Aerospace Forces

The Russian aerospace forces will receive the first fifth-generation serial fighter Su-57 before the end of the year, the aircraft is “almost ready,” Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko told reporters on Friday.

"The first Su-57 production aircraft is almost ready to be sent to the troops. By the end of the year it will be delivered to the aerospace forces. Next year we are waiting for another such aircraft, and then there will be a multiple increase in production," he said following a visit to Komsomolsky-on Amure Aviation Plant (KnAAZ), on which these machines are built.

Under the current contract, VKS should receive 76 such aircraft by 2028, the deputy minister recalled.

 

[bhramos]

Assembly of the first production aircraft Su-57: VIDEO Zvezda Channel publishes footage of the assembly of the first production aircraft Su-57 at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after #Gagarin.

 

[bhramos]

Pics from the #Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation plant where the 1st #Russian 5th gen SU-57 are assembled. Chief Air Marshal of the Air Force of #India, Birender Singh Dhanoa, announced that #Delhi would consider acquiring the Su-57 after it was put into service with the RuAF.