Successful user trial of MSMC

[Johny_Baba]

so this will have same effect as Ak or insas and same range?

Almost,but yes,the weapon is capable of penetrating bulletproof jackets and ballistic helmets which is not possible with 9mm Sterling/Sten,all thanks to its innovative 5.56 x 30mm MINSAS cartridge.

For more info,read my post above at
- http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/successful-user-trial-of-msmc.55979/page-8#post-1338175

 

[Hemu Vikram Aditya]

Cant say as of now, Its been offered to the paramilitary for trails. Although MSMC is in development since 2010 but still it is in the development phase.
And we all know that this trail will take atleast an year,
---> then the end-user will suggest some recommendation/changes
----> then it will take 6 Months to incorporate the changes
----> then it will again come for user trail
-----> finally after all the buzz, end-user will float a global tender for procurement of same category of weapon
-----> The program will go cold storage, and slightly end with nothing
------> Then end-user will again cancel their procurement plan after few years of trail because of single vendor situation or case of bribery.

I don't know man why can't we make a SMG better than a little more than early cold war era weapon even after making ATAGS (Currently under trials IMO) isn't ATAGS a product of OFB too?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Some close up pictures of MSMC ..

New BEL reflex sight ..

Source :


Sandeep Unnithan
Published on Sep 5, 2017

The venerable 1A1 9 mm carbine aka the British designed Sterling carbine has been in serial production at the Ordnance Factory Kanpur since 1962. Over 600,000 carbines have been produced. The weapon has now been deemed obsolete by the Indian army and is in limited series production. It could be replaced by the promising Joint Venture Protective Carbine developed by the DRDO-ARDE.

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This is a carbine and not a rifle, with a range of 200ms and use a round which is intended to defeat BP plates, Its a replacement for 9mm carbine within Indian Army ..

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Better learn to read the first page and last few pages of the thread before bumping in between ..

why do they need it?
how is it different from insas or ak 47?

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I don't know man why can't we make a SMG better than a little more than early cold war era weapon even after making ATAGS (Currently under trials IMO) isn't ATAGS a product of OFB too?

 

[F-14B]

Some close up pictures of MSMC ..

New BEL reflex sight ..

Source :


Sandeep Unnithan
Published on Sep 5, 2017

The venerable 1A1 9 mm carbine aka the British designed Sterling carbine has been in serial production at the Ordnance Factory Kanpur since 1962. Over 600,000 carbines have been produced. The weapon has now been deemed obsolete by the Indian army and is in limited series production. It could be replaced by the promising Joint Venture Protective Carbine developed by the DRDO-ARDE.

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This is a carbine and not a rifle, with a range of 200ms and use a round which is intended to defeat BP plates, Its a replacement for 9mm carbine within Indian Army ..

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Better learn to read the first page and last few pages of the thread before bumping in between ..

Sir is it me or dose it look a bit like the MP7

 

[Screambowl]

This is a carbine and not a rifle, with a range of 200ms and use a round which is intended to defeat BP plates, Its a replacement for 9mm carbine within Indian Army ..

Then why it was compared to TAR21 during trials? And they used most probably the same round.
TAR has effective range of 550m
I don't understand their logic.

 

[Chinmoy]

Then why it was compared to TAR21 during trials? And they used most probably the same round.
TAR has effective range of 550m
I don't understand their logic.

Its not an AR, but a Carbine. TAR21 fires 5.56 NATO round, whereas MSMC fires 5.56 MiniINSAS round and Uzi does fires 9mm pistol round. It is in between a full AR and a carbine like Uzi.
Its been designed for CQB and so the first customer would be forces under home ministry. We could expect to see a few with NSG and a lot more with CISF, BSF and ITBP.

 

[Chinmoy]

Good news at-last ...some moment on JVPC front ...Indian Express report says that JVPC produced by OFB has been handed over to paramilitary forces.View attachment 19822

But the confusing part is the picture caption says that it is being handed over to user trials? Will a product not yet been in trials will be accorded a place of honor in a handing over ceremony?. Did our media with intellectual capacity of a rabbit got it wrong as usual?.Some members in this forum with inside knowledge have said that JVPC has completed user trials

As per what RM tweeted, it has been handed over to HM along with other equipment. Now it means that it had completed all its development trial along with user trial. Now it would see limited use in paramilitary. In due time if some issue does occur, those would be rectified in later version and its mass production would start.

But you know how our reporters are good in reporting defence matters.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Not sure who compared it and in what trails, TAR-21 is a bull-pup assault rifle and use powerful round 5.56x45mm INSAS round, MSMC and Amogh are carbine using 5.56x30mm rounds, These carbines are intended to replace 9mm carbine, Nothing more, Nothing less..

Listen to this, Completely..

MSMC at range ..

9MM carbine history and its replacement details.

Then why it was compared to TAR21 during trials? And they used most probably the same round.
TAR has effective range of 550m
I don't understand their logic.

 

[aditya g]

The JVPC can serve same segment as:

Sterling
Zittara
MX9

Stiff competition.... As even Zittara is made by OFB.

How does JVPC compare against Amogh? Latter is in service with ICG.

@Kunal

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Zittara never materialized due to Tot issues back then, I like Amogh as its already in service and looks lot like 1B1 .

The JVPC can serve same segment as:

Sterling
Zittara
MX9

Stiff competition.... As even Zittara is made by OFB.

How does JVPC compare against Amogh? Latter is in service with ICG.

@Kunal

 

[Kchontha]

The JVPC can serve same segment as:

Sterling
Zittara
MX9

Stiff competition.... As even Zittara is made by OFB.

How does JVPC compare against Amogh? Latter is in service with ICG.

@Kunal

A quick comparision between JVPC and amogh carbine. JVPC earlier known as MSMC or Milap, designed by ARDE and manufectured by OFB Trichy, is a grip feeding Uzi like carbine that shortened the length of the weapon, making it more suitable for CQC purposes. While Amogh carbine is designed and manufectured by OFB. The weapon follows conventional design.

 

[cobra commando]

Finally ! hamari DDM ko time mila, is news ko cover karne ke liye

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/modern-sub-machine-carbine-drdo-indian-army/1/1042902.html

 

[Adioz]

Finally ! hamari DDM ko time mila, is news ko cover karne ke liye
View attachment 19982

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/modern-sub-machine-carbine-drdo-indian-army/1/1042902.html

Wait, MSMC is featured in COD?

 

[Pandora]

Wait, MSMC is featured in COD?

yea,even I played many times with it. Must say light and compact atleast in game

 

[cobra commando]

Wait, MSMC is featured in COD?

Yep, It's now called the 'XMC'in BO3

 

[soikot banerjee]

OFB-DRDO JVPC..
Watch Video of JVPC by Sandeep unnittan , effects shown on Level III armor and 3.5mm mild steel.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

This is dope !

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[S.Balaji]

Finally ! hamari DDM ko time mila, is news ko cover karne ke liye
View attachment 19982

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/modern-sub-machine-carbine-drdo-indian-army/1/1042902.html

Below is an extract from the above news article.Happy to hear the news of orders. Thanks @cobra commando

The Chhattisgarh police became the first to order the weapon this year-640 of them-with similar orders expected from the Madhya Pradesh, Delhi and Meghalaya police. India's paramilitary forces are another potential buyer. Its designers estimate the firearm has the potential to replace nearly 400,000 obsolete weapons, an order worth over Rs 45,000 crore (including ammunition).

"We have the production capacity to make around 35,000 such carbines each year," says H.R. Dixit, general manager, Small Arms Factory (SAF), Kanpur.

 

[Rahul Prakash]

This is dope !

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The mighty UNNI KRISHNAN YAY!!!!!

 

[porky_kicker]

another pic of JVPC , definitely cool looks