Strategic Command to acquire 40 nuclear capable fighters

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I don't see the need of this 40 aircrafts. we have no first use policy so in case of nuclear attack we need to retaliate as fast as we can and it should be deadly,IMO using bombers for this role is not so good as using missiles which are more accurate ,need lesser time and also the chances of intercepting is low.
On the other hand, the man on the (suicide) mission is not CEP dependent, and can be called back at the nick of time (should the need be), something Missiles can not. SFC knows the motiv better. The size of nuclear load plays paramount role along with perticular range factor that they have in mind for the required mission. India´s Kiloton punch vs miniturisation is not known in specific terms yet.
 

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On the other hand, the man on the (suicide) mission is not CEP dependent, and can be called back at the nick of time (should the need be), something Missiles can not. SFC knows the motiv better. The size of nuclear load plays paramount role along with perticular range factor that they have in mind for the required mission. India´s Kiloton punch vs miniturisation is not known in specific terms yet.
Yes there are certain advantages in using strategic bombers for these missions but the advantages of using missiles outweighs the bombers anyday. Question is why do you have to spend for a option which is inferior to a available one(missiles).
 

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"with an aim of increasing its lethal power, India's tri-services strike force is planning to acquire 40 fighter planes capable of delivering nuclear weapons. The Strategic Forces Command (SFC) has submitted a proposal to the Defence Ministry for setting up two dedicated squadrons of fighter aircraft which will act as "mini-Air Force", ministry sources said. This will be the first time that SFC, which at present depends on the Indian Air Force for delivering nuclear weapons under its command, will have its own aerial assets."
 

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Yes there are certain advantages in using strategic bombers for these missions but the advantages of using missiles outweighs the bombers anyday. Question is why do you have to spend for a option which is inferior to a available one(missiles).
you dont want all your eggs in one basket thats why.
 

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you dont want all your eggs in one basket thats why.
We are talking about spending billions in here, We are not USA we dont have the luxury to use 40 aircraft just for this mission. IAF already has the capability to deliver nukes using Su-30.
 

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Money is not an issue when it comes to national security. Nuclear deterrence is all about having a redundant system in place so that one or the other will be successful in its mission.
 

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Yes there are certain advantages in using strategic bombers for these missions but the advantages of using missiles outweighs the bombers anyday. Question is why do you have to spend for a option which is inferior to a available one(missiles).
The only plausible explaination could be that of India´s warheads size, India´s ability to miniaturise it, yet have sufficient punch to deliver. The delivery platforms (Fighter-Missiles) are known, but what is not known is what (specific) goes in the platform.

I dont think its a matter of choosing tea or coffee, there is more to it than what meets the eye!

Hello BARC, Hello Kakodker!
 

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Yes there are certain advantages in using strategic bombers for these missions but the advantages of using missiles outweighs the bombers anyday. Question is why do you have to spend for a option which is inferior to a available one(missiles).

well frankly speaking our missiles are still under development and Agni-3, still to inducted and Agni -5 in testing face ...
and we lack in night launching capability of missile and we still need to prove our self in that area....
and when coming to Agni -2 they are inducted and missile failed to complete it mission 2 times out out of 3 tests .
so all our missle of long range need to be overhauled and it may take few more year ...
at present china posture is aggressive in nature we need to look at quick alternative.....

moreover allthought our missile work well in coming years this bombers/fighter will act as a suppliment
and agni -2 is mostly belongs to 555th missile group of Hyderabad/jalandhar and agni 2 based on tetra vehicles need certain time to reach the location from where it can fire the target... where it takes more time compared to air crafts
 
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Money is not an issue when it comes to national security. Nuclear deterrence is all about having a redundant system in place so that one or the other will be successful in its mission.
I am all for if IAF is to get this 40 aircrafts. But what i am not in favor of is SFC controlling 40 aircrafts in the name of delivering nukes. IAF definitely and will give aircrafts to SFC when needed. Its about how we spend the money even though we have enough.
 

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Why does the US also have a strategic command then?
 

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well frankly speaking our missiles are still under development and Agni-3, still to inducted and Agni -5 in testing face ...
and we lack in night launching capability of missile and we still need to prove our self in that area....
and when coming to Agni -2 they are inducted and missile failed to complete it mission 2 times out out of 3 tests .
so all our missle of long range need to be overhauled and it may take few more year ...
at present china posture is aggressive in nature we need to look at quick alternative.....

moreover allthought our missile work well in coming years this bombers/fighter will act as a suppliment
and agni -2 is mostly belongs to 555th missile group of Hyderabad/jalandhar and agni 2 based on tetra vehicles need certain time to reach the location from where it can fire the target... where it takes more time compared to air crafts
Yes we have all these probems now but we are not going to induct these aircrafts before 2015 by that time we can overcome these problems. Still IAF aircrafts can be used for nuclear missions.
 

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I am all for if IAF is to get this 40 aircrafts. But what i am not in favor of is SFC controlling 40 aircrafts in the name of delivering nukes. IAF definitely and will give aircrafts to SFC when needed. Its about how we spend the money even though we have enough.
in case of war with china and pakistan since we are preparing for worst senario we cant force IAF to give some of its sukhoi which are need to guard the border since IAF has presently inducted only 124 ... so it will be better SFC have some of its own fighter to drop nuclear bombs -
 

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Yes we have all these probems now but we are not going to induct these aircrafts before 2015 by that time we can overcome these problems. Still IAF aircrafts can be used for nuclear missions.
well cant say about the induction date since they are very much clear that they only want proved fighter ....so it may be inducted well in advance .
and our old stock of nuclear weapons may be large in size which cannot be fitted in missile for these kind the fighter will be usefull -pure guess my idea
 

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in case of war with china and pakistan since we are preparing for worst senario we cant force IAF to give some of its sukhoi which are need to guard the border since IAF has presently inducted only 124 ... so it will be better SFC have some of its own fighter to drop nuclear bombs -
So we have no problem with 40 aircrafts which belongs to SFC doing no missions in case of war with china and Pakistan. Mate IAF can sure spare some aircrafts to SFC when the need arises.
 

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First let our IAF acquire enough squadrons then we can concentrate on SFC.
No relation between the two. SFC is like a separate branch. You can tell the Navy wait till IAF get its fighters before you get for your carriers. Its all based on needs. Falling IAF strength is altogether a different issue.
 

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No relation between the two. SFC is like a separate branch. You can tell the Navy wait till IAF get its fighters before you get for your carriers. Its all based on needs. Falling IAF strength is altogether a different issue.
Yes i agree both are different but in case if we choose Su-30 or MRCA winner HAL will build the aircrafts which will further slow the down IAF induction rate based on assumption that HAL cant open a separate production line for SFC
 
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Yes i agree both are different but in case if we choose Su-30 or MRCA winner HAL will build the aircrafts which will further slow the down IAF induction rate based on assumption that HAL cant open a separate production line for SFC
This is an excellent point Manc, about a year ago the Russians offered a second Sukhoi production facility why the Govt did not accept this offer is a mystery??
 

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So we have no problem with 40 aircrafts which belongs to SFC doing no missions in case of war with china and Pakistan. Mate IAF can sure spare some aircraft's to SFC when the need arises.
but the problem is our front line fighters and nuclear bombardiers are same aircraft -- which are very less in number(inducted) for protecting our long borders - and other fighters are need to be replaced it will be a good move if we induct 40 parallel with induction of iaf aircraft -

i think this is for Rafael -40 fast track induction ---politically,
russians are satisfied- by upgrading su-30
now mmrca will be F/a-18 or EF ---imo
 

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