Strategic Command to acquire 40 nuclear capable fighters

[pmaitra]

Russians will never give the Tu-160 the only solution might be the Su-34 or the Su-30Mki...Tu-22m3 was leased by Navy dont know what happened that .

The Russians probably won't give us the Tu-160s because they have the potential of striking Russia itself. However, I doubt if we have ever asked the Russians for these bombers; so maybe it is too early to conclude that they will never give us these planes?

 

[keshtopatel]

In order for any dedicated nuclear delivery aircraft to be such stamped (to be able to deliver nukes) - it has to be hard-wired! NOW IF SO, when you short list the buyer, which nation is going to agree with you in the light of MTCR that they would so do (hard-wire it for you)? You have to have freindly nations who would comply with such request.

Now, since its open tender, and it is said, that the required merchandise is for Nuke delivery, then no nation would come forward.

The only option then will be to do that on your own, and dont publish the facts......

 

[LETHALFORCE]

In order for any dedicated nuclear delivery aircraft to be such stamped (to be able to deliver nukes) - it has to be hard-wired! NOW IF SO, when you short list the buyer, which nation is going to agree with you in the light of MTCR that they would so do (hard-wire it for you)? You have to have freindly nations who would comply with such request.

Now, since its open tender, and it is said, that the required merchandise is for Nuke delivery, then no nation would come forward.

The only option then will be to do that on your own, and dont publish the facts......

This is a very interesting point KP. But I can give you a n exception in the case with Pakistan , where Pakistan has said they will use F-16's fro USA for delivery of nukes and USA still gifted more F-16'S. If this is the case and Pakistan does manage to modify F-16's to do as they wish then I ask you why wouldn't a nation want to make money SELLING planes to India to do the same?? (usa is not making anything from the F-16 gift).

 

[keshtopatel]

This is a very interesting point KP. But I can give you a n exception in the case with Pakistan , where Pakistan has said they will use F-16's fro USA for delivery of nukes and USA still gifted more F-16'S. If this is the case and Pakistan does manage to modify F-16's to do as they wish then I ask you why wouldn't a nation want to make money SELLING planes to India to do the same?? (usa is not making anything from the F-16 gift).

F-16 were paid for, and modified by Pakistan, its a well known fact.....However, did US persue this matter further with Pakistan with which they have quid pro quo?

The answer is no!

According to Wiki leaks, they (Pak) have provided stinger missiles (Anza-II made in Pak now, KAHUTA with Chinese collaboration, specimen supplied to China by Pak during afghan war), to Talibans, Nato forces attacked, something that Pakistani Mujhadeens used against Indian soldiers from Kargil top, where India was at disadvantage, and they downed couple of our air assets.

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Its US covert war doctrine (along the line of arm twisting, veiled threats to those bendable regimes) with unwritten charter.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

We can also play this game just put a nuke warhead on a brahmos . Our use our sukhois for same purpose. USA sold us a higher block of HARPOONS and let Pak modify or alter theirs.

 

[keshtopatel]

We can also play this game just put a nuke warhead on a brahmos . Our use our sukhois for same purpose. USA sold us a higher block of HARPOONS and let Pak modify or alter theirs.

Brahmos is MTCR compliant, and it is nuke capable, no damn nation can raise the finger!


Since Russia is our friend, we can pretty much do that without retribution, as we have done with previous SAMs (erstwhile soviet Union)...

Now when it comes to Uncle´s mal, India has to be careful, because India is not in the same boat as is Pak (non NATO Ally). (and you know the equation here under Uncle Sam´s eyes)

 

[A chauhan]

If we are going to deliver a Nuclear weapon over enemy territory then it wont be greater than 2-3 in number, so i don't think we need strategic bombers, Su 30 MKI is perfectly suited for it, just drop the nuke and run. But i think it's better to use missiles like Agni and Brahmos.

 

[EagleOne]

Sukhoi Su-34 can be front runner for Strategic Force Commands fighter requirements

Suddenly it seems like all three armed forces of India want to have their own dedicated air fleet and don't want to depend on air force for all their requirements. When BSF wanted to have their own dedicated fleet for moving its logistics , Indian air force stopped protesting any more now and have help guide BSF in laying down its requirements with aircraft manufactures , IAF seems to have taken this in a positive manner , it also recently oked Army having bulk of HAL built LCH attack helicopter which still in testing phase but usually attack helicopters have been operated by IAF in past ,and Army has per source will also be acquiring MTA aircraft's which Russia and India will be building jointly to help move it logistics all over the country .

Strategic Forces Commands not to be left behind has put its own demand for two plus Squadrons of its own Fighter jets capable of carrying nuclear payload; it has already mentioned that it wants already tested and available aircraft for this job , Jaguars and Mirage-2000k have been backbone of India's aerial nuclear weapon carrier for a while , but Jaguars have been dropped for not having enough ground space to carry a nuke under its belly and Mirage 2000 along with Sukhoi Su30MKI have been sole Nuke capable fighter aircrafts.

Recent purchase of 40 Sukhoi Su 30MKI might head to this Elite Nuclear Squadron? Or will new aircraft will be purchased for this role is still unclear , since Cabinet approval for such request needs to be cleared first Front runner will always be Sukhoi 30 aircrafts optimized for Nuclear attack mode , but if IAF doesn't want to give its fleet of Sukhoi 30 from its squadrons ,then defense expert Rakesh Sharma suggests that Sukhoi Su 34 which is a Bomber Fighter aircraft which Russia has been developing to replace its older Sukhoi Su 24 fleet along with its Tu-22 Medium range bombers could be ideal choice for SCF , Sukhoi Co have already reported that the it has begun full-rate production of this aircraft and Russian air force will acquire 200 aircraft by 2020.

What makes this aircraft front runner is it has shares many of the spares and components with IAF's Sukhoi su 30MKI platform and will not require separate logistics to maintain them; Aircraft has been designed for precision weapons carrying capability that includes Nuclear weapons, and cockpit layout for pilot has been optimized for bombing roles and features side-by-side seating for a crew of two.

Su34 has long range of Su 30 along with Canards to maintain static instability (higher maneuverability) and to reduce trim drag , in addition it Su-34 features a rearward facing radar capable of detecting, tracking, and directing R-73 or R-77 AAMs at pursuing enemy aircraft.

Sukhoi Su-34 can be front runner for Strategic Force Commands fighter requirements: Experts

 

[nitesh]

Wouldn't it be a good idea to buy these planes along with TU 95?

 

[civfanatic]

Wouldn't it be a good idea to buy these planes along with TU 95?

Tu-95s are obsolete, why would you want to buy them??

Personally I would love to see Su-34s or Tu-160s in Indian colors as part of our nuclear second strike fleet.

 

[notinlove]

Just a polite reminder .. Tu-160 , mirage 2000 and Tu-95 production lines have long been closed

 

[bhramos]

Just a polite reminder .. Tu-160 , mirage 2000 and Tu-95 production lines have long been closed

sorry mate, but Tu-160 Production lines have been resumed..........
may be others are closed. M2K's advanced version Rafale is still open.....

 

[nitesh]

To be very honest it should be either MKI or SU 34, but yes MRCA winner could get a pie

 

[Kunal Biswas]

SU-34 is best option coz IAF already operating SU-30MKI and it could use the More powerful MKI engines on SU-34 so that logistic will be not a problem..

Besides SU-34 can carry more payload than Rafale also with MKI engines it can do more....

IAF retired its cambera bombers after 1999, Su-34 can take its place..

Beside all A unit of SU-34 is easy to maintain and logistic is already available..

 

[pankaj nema]

Is Russia sweetening the MMRCA deal for India .That is Buy Mig 35 and get Su 34 at a discount.
They might throw in another Akula as well.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Is Russia sweetening the MMRCA deal for India .That is Buy Mig 35 and get Su 34 at a discount.
They might throw in another Akula as well.

Russian MIG-35 will be out!
Purchase of flanker and its bomber variant have nothing to do with MMRCA..

MMRCA selection should be done more practicality than political basis, after-all in WAR we INDAINS will be the one standing in-front of the enemy..
Their will be no-one standing behind us..
We Indians are responsible Nuclear state..
Therefore we Should be ready in all kind of Nuclear situations..

 

[sayareakd]

Kunal we need those bombers one way or the other, therefore it will make some sense to Russians happy if we order these, assuming that Russians dont win MMRCA tender.
Having these bomber will keep the PLAAF on its toes plus. It also shows the maturity of the NCA and the SFC and maturity of the nuclear doctrine and to have proper nuclear trident with exclusive nuclear force with proper equipment under its command.
In the event of war IAF wont like to spear its 40 MKIs for SFC, as it means withdrawal of 80 pilots aces and number of technical personals, that will hamper smooth functioning of IAF, with these new birds under the belt of SFC, IAF can have sight of relief, in future.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Kunal we need those bombers one way or the other, therefore it will make some sense to Russians happy if we order these, assuming that Russians dont win MMRCA tender.

Having these bomber will keep the PLAAF on its toes plus. It also shows the maturity of the NCA and the SFC and maturity of the nuclear doctrine and to have proper nuclear trident with exclusive nuclear force with proper equipment under its command.

In the event of war IAF wont like to spear its 40 MKIs for SFC, as it means withdrawal of 80 pilots aces and number of technical personals, that will hamper smooth functioning of IAF, with these new birds under the belt of SFC, IAF can have sight of relief, in future.

Russian are always and will be happy, Russian don't care abt MIG-35`s departure from MMRCA but continues sale of flankers ( In form of MKI ) in INDIA..

PLAAF already have medium range bombers we just stared to think abt such possibility, Though yes this will boost our Nuclear capabilities..

Pilots and Technician will be from IAF, In both peace and War..

 

[keshtopatel]

Russian Air Force chief Colonel-General Alexander Zelin, who was in India last week on a five day official visit, is understood to have asked his Indian counterpart, Air Chief Marshal PV Naik, on a personal level about reports, many of these in Russia, that the MiG-35 was out of contention in India's MMRCA fighter competition. Air Chief Naik is said to have assured the Russian general that there had been no eliminations in the competition so far, and that there was no question of the MiG-35 being "eliminated" at this stage. The Russian general is understood to have conveyed that he was concerned about the reports since it showed that there was a concerted negative campaign to oust the MiG-35 from the competition. The general was assured that the trial team from RAC-MiG had been given an extensive brief on their aircraft's performance in the field evaluation trials, and that there was no question of opacity in the matter.

All is not over, till the fat lady sings!

 

[JHA]

We can get 40 Su-34 or, 20 Tu-160...Although Tu-160 sounds mouthwatering but maintaining Su-34 will be easier.