Stand with Pakistani Christian Refugees - Hector Aleem

[Srinivas_K]

Muslims demanded freedom and carved out Pakistan from British India. Present day India and Pakistan are both young states which did not exist in current form prior to 1947.

Yes you are correct!

Akhand Bharat existed not the current form of Bharat.

regarding the freedom struggle of muslims , these guys just rode the back of british, they were never jailed nor did any agitations.

Muslims should have demanded a state in Middle east, that is where your prophets roamed and that is where your holy land exists, you people are in Dharmic land(secular land) and it is Haram.

 

[ladder]

Pakistan was created because the leaders involved in politics failed to come to a workable solution for power sharing between the two largest religious groups, i.e. Hindus and Muslims. The greed of power hungry Nehru is as respobsible for the partition as the sidelined Jinnah who didn't agree with Gandhi's favoritism and soft spot for Nehru.
Considering the explosiveness of communial divide and discrimination of minorities at both sides, I think the two nation theory proved out to be right.

About my ancestors, they ruled the Sub Continent too, fought wars with and against the hindus and finally settled for Pakistan.
Seperatists? Hell no.! There was no India but hundreds of small princely states and kingdoms united under the
Imperial British Raj and we fought against them for our rights. It was the UK which granted us Azadi, not modern day India.

Wow! It seems Afghanistan's finest is showing it's effect.

Your, Mr. Jinah was a lawyer who was hired to work for a specific cause and play a theatrical appearance. Well to his credit he succeeded. But, he was lucky enough to not see who he worked for and with, would have treated him, once his utility was over. But, his sister and your 'mother' of the nation wasn't so lucky I suppose. Accusation were grave against her.

 

[Ray]

Pakistan was created because the leaders involved in politics failed to come to a workable solution for power sharing between the two largest religious groups, i.e. Hindus and Muslims. The greed of power hungry Nehru is as respobsible for the partition as the sidelined Jinnah who didn't agree with Gandhi's favoritism and soft spot for Nehru.
Considering the explosiveness of communial divide and discrimination of minorities at both sides, I think the two nation theory proved out to be right.

About my ancestors, they ruled the Sub Continent too, fought wars with and against the hindus and finally settled for Pakistan.
Seperatists? Hell no.! There was no India but hundreds of small princely states and kingdoms united under the
Imperial British Raj and we fought against them for our rights. It was the UK which granted us Azadi, not modern day India.

Ah yes, Nehru is the villain of the piece and the Jinn ah! is the loveable gift of God on Earth, right?

Your ancestors ruled the sub continent?

So, you claim pure Arab descent as the Arab horses on the Indian racecourses?

Search within and many of you will know where your ancestry lies.

Of course, the two nations proved right. Only in the fevered Islamic fundamentalist mind as it appears in yours.

Bangladesh is a living example of the two Nation Theory where racial discrimination ever since Partition towards the Bengalis proved that all this homeland of the Pure was total hogwash and instead the age old game of Islam seeking Power at all cost and with no morlaity, as we see in the historical internecine conflict between the Shias and Sunnis, who having abandoned the religious scriptures are solely devoting their 'pious Islamic mind' to prove who is the sole inheritor of Mohammed!

I agree there was no India. Pakistan history taught in school states so. There was only Pakistan from ancient times is what the Pak school books state.

There are enough documents from eminent Pak scholars and educationists to prove the false history and hatred Pakistan teaches it young children in schools.

Do educate us how Muslims of undivided India fought the British Raj. In fact, they were active collaborators.

 

[ladder]

Muslims demanded freedom and carved out Pakistan from British India. Present day India and Pakistan are both young states which did not exist in current form prior to 1947.

Yes, Vasco-da-Gama had set sail to find the children of Bin Quasim it seems.

 

[Ray]

Muslims demanded freedom and carved out Pakistan from British India. Present day India and Pakistan are both young states which did not exist in current form prior to 1947.

And Pakistan is in the cusp of self induced disintegration engined by the age old Islamic trait of doing anything and everything for Power and Self Aggrandisation.

 

[Neo]

So it wasnt the vision of jinnah for a seperate islamic state as pakistan?

Give me any non paki reliable source supporting your statements and ill buy that.


By you i meant pakis in general.
And your all past leaders wer separtists whether you like it or not.
Nehru had two option to choose from.
India with weak centre and strong regional states.
Or india with strong centre and weak states.

He chose the latter as the first option would further fuel more separtist eliments.

Read the biography of Jinnah. He spent most of his political carrier fighting the British Raj for the freedom of a united India. It was only during his last ten years or so that Gandhi-Nehru-Patel dirty politics made him realise that muslims would never be well represented or safe under a hindu leadership.

The Resolution of Pakistan started on March 23rd, 1940 in Lahore. Pakistan came into being almost seven and a half years later.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Read the biography of Jinnah. He spent most of his political carrier fighting the British Raj for the freedom of a united India. It was only during his last ten years or so that Gandhi-Nehru-Patel dirty politics made him realise that muslims would never be well represented or safe under a hindu leadership.

The Resolution of Pakistan started on March 23rd, 1940 in Lahore. Pakistan came into being almost seven and a half years later.

You are making me laugh dude!!

Jinnah is more british than british themselves, he is like an aristocrat.

what revolution he lead and how many pains he had suffered for independence??

He came into the scene to snatch the land from Bharat ... simple as that, the mind set of muslims who give their utmost respect to Muhammed may be one reason why Jinnah gets that much attention, seen as a savior.

 

[ladder]

Read the biography of Jinnah. He spent most of his political carrier fighting the British Raj for the freedom of a united India. It was only during his last ten years or so that Gandhi-Nehru-Patel dirty politics made him realise that muslims would never be well represented or safe under a hindu leadership.

The Resolution of Pakistan started on March 23rd, 1940 in Lahore. Pakistan came into being almost seven and a half years later.

Biography by whom? those 'jackals' that surrounded him? Who didn't shy away from presenting him as a Sunni though he was a Shia? Or those who performed his last rites following Sunni tradition in public and Shia tradition in private?

Peddle those lies to someone in Europe who is gullible enough to believe.

Heck till his death Jinnah did hold British Passport.

 

[Neo]

You are making me laugh dude!!

Jinnah is more british than british themselves, he is like an aristocrat.

what revolution he lead and how many pains he had suffered for independence??

He came into the scene to snatch the land from Bharat ... simple as that, the mind set of muslims who give their utmost respect to Muhammed may be one reason why Jinnah gets that much attention, seen as a savior.

Laugh as much as you can, you can't change the histrory.
Jinnah started his political carrier with Indian National Congress before joining the Mulim League in 1913.

In 1920, the Indian National Congress launched a movement of non-cooperation to boycott all aspects of British rule. Jinnah opposed this policy and resigned from the congress. There were by now profound differences between the congress and the Muslim League.

After provincial elections in 1937, the congress refused to form coalition administrations with the Muslim League in mixed areas. Relations between Hindus and Muslims began to deteriorate. In 1940, at a Muslim League session in Lahore, the first official demand was made for the partition of India and the creation of a Muslim state of Pakistan. Jinnah had always believed that Hindu-Muslim unity was possible, but reluctantly came to the view that partition was necessary to safeguard the rights of Indian Muslims.

His insistence on this issue through negotiations with the British government resulted in the partition of India and the formation of the state of Pakistan on 14 August 1947.

 

[ladder]

Laugh as much as you can, you can't change the histrory.
Jinnah started his political carrier with Indian National Congress before joining the Mulim League in 1913.

In 1920, the Indian National Congress launched a movement of non-cooperation to boycott all aspects of British rule. Jinnah opposed this policy and resigned from the congress. There were by now profound differences between the congress and the Muslim League.

After provincial elections in 1937, the congress refused to form coalition administrations with the Muslim League in mixed areas. Relations between Hindus and Muslims began to deteriorate. In 1940, at a Muslim League session in Lahore, the first official demand was made for the partition of India and the creation of a Muslim state of Pakistan. Jinnah had always believed that Hindu-Muslim unity was possible, but reluctantly came to the view that partition was necessary to safeguard the rights of Indian Muslims.

His insistence on this issue through negotiations with the British government resulted in the partition of India and the formation of the state of Pakistan on 14 August 1947.

You first tell me, did he or did he not receive payments from British?

 

[Srinivas_K]

Laugh as much as you can, you can't change the histrory.
Jinnah started his political carrier with Indian National Congress before joining the Mulim League in 1913.

In 1920, the Indian National Congress launched a movement of non-cooperation to boycott all aspects of British rule. Jinnah opposed this policy and resigned from the congress. There were by now profound differences between the congress and the Muslim League.

After provincial elections in 1937, the congress refused to form coalition administrations with the Muslim League in mixed areas. Relations between Hindus and Muslims began to deteriorate. In 1940, at a Muslim League session in Lahore, the first official demand was made for the partition of India and the creation of a Muslim state of Pakistan. Jinnah had always believed that Hindu-Muslim unity was possible, but reluctantly came to the view that partition was necessary to safeguard the rights of Indian Muslims.

His insistence on this issue through negotiations with the British government resulted in the partition of India and the formation of the state of Pakistan on 14 August 1947.

Where is the struggle in his Biography??

did he lead any movement against the british??

He came at the last moment in the scene to carve out a muslim state, simple as that.

That too, some muslims of India forced him to do that.

 

[kseeker]

Laugh as much as you can, you can't change the histrory.
Jinnah started his political carrier with Indian National Congress before joining the Mulim League in 1913.

In 1920, the Indian National Congress launched a movement of non-cooperation to boycott all aspects of British rule. Jinnah opposed this policy and resigned from the congress. There were by now profound differences between the congress and the Muslim League.

After provincial elections in 1937, the congress refused to form coalition administrations with the Muslim League in mixed areas. Relations between Hindus and Muslims began to deteriorate. In 1940, at a Muslim League session in Lahore, the first official demand was made for the partition of India and the creation of a Muslim state of Pakistan. Jinnah had always believed that Hindu-Muslim unity was possible, but reluctantly came to the view that partition was necessary to safeguard the rights of Indian Muslims.

His insistence on this issue through negotiations with the British government resulted in the partition of India and the formation of the state of Pakistan on 14 August 1947.

Jinnah did the right thing however, it's really unfortunate that, his dream was not completely fulfilled He left many one god believers in Hindustan

The innocent Hindu baniyas are still facing that consequences I hate Jinnah for this only reason otherwise, I would have praised him for all that good he had done to Hindustan

 

[Neo]

Heck till his death Jinnah did hold British Passport.

This is factually incorrect since Quaid-e-Azam had a British Indian passport, not a British passport. There's a difference: a British passport denotes British nationality whereas a British Indian passport denoted that the holder was a subject (as opposed to national) of the British Indian Empire. Quaid-e-Azam's British Indian passport was issued at Karachi in 1946 when Pakistan did not exist and Karachi was part of the British Indian Empire. Before the independence of Pakistan and India in August 1947, all citizens of British India were considered British Indian subjects and were issued British Indian passports for travel purposes.

Furthermore, even after Pakistan's independence, Pakistani nationals continued to use British Indian passports until Pakistan began printing its own passports, which was not until the early-1950s. Indeed, there was no such thing as a "Pakistani passport" from the time of Pakistan's independence on 14 August 1947 until Quaid-e-Azam's death on 11 September 1948. It may be pertinent to mention that Pakistan was a Dominion under the British Crown until 23 March 1956, when it adopted its first Constitution and became the "Islamic Republic of Pakistan."

 

[Ashutosh Lokhande]

Read the biography of Jinnah. He spent most of his political carrier fighting the British Raj for the freedom of a united India. It was only during his last ten years or so that Gandhi-Nehru-Patel dirty politics made him realise that muslims would never be well represented or safe under a hindu leadership.

The Resolution of Pakistan started on March 23rd, 1940 in Lahore. Pakistan came into being almost seven and a half years later.

Is it a non paki unbaised reliable source?

I repeat ill buy your claims if you able to provide a credible source and not from paki author autobiographies or from some teachings of distorted history you find in paki textbooks.

 

[Ray]

Jinnah was a Shia and Pakistan tweaked history to provide a falsehood that he has become a Sunni!

As if the Prophet deemed Sunnis as the sole descendant of his!

And history shows he was not a descendant of the Arab steed, that many Pakistanis love to delude themselves to be.

 

[Ray]

Jinnah was just another power lust Muslim as per the psyche that we have seen through history and even now.

Pakistan continues to prove it so, with all the massacre and mayhem over who is the inheritor of the Prophet.

Fortunately, the Muslims who are in India, owing to a better communal and sectarian climate, are not afflicted with the unfortunately disingenuous affliction.

 

[ladder]

This is factually incorrect since Quaid-e-Azam had a British Indian passport, not a British passport. There's a difference: a British passport denotes British nationality whereas a British Indian passport denoted that the holder was a subject (as opposed to national) of the British Indian Empire. Quaid-e-Azam's British Indian passport was issued at Karachi in 1946 when Pakistan did not exist and Karachi was part of the British Indian Empire. Before the independence of Pakistan and India in August 1947, all citizens of British India were considered British Indian subjects and were issued British Indian passports for travel purposes.

Furthermore, even after Pakistan's independence, Pakistani nationals continued to use British Indian passports until Pakistan began printing its own passports, which was not until the early-1950s. Indeed, there was no such thing as a "Pakistani passport" from the time of Pakistan's independence on 14 August 1947 until Quaid-e-Azam's death on 11 September 1948. It may be pertinent to mention that Pakistan was a Dominion under the British Crown until 23 March 1956, when it adopted its first Constitution and became the "Islamic Republic of Pakistan."

At least give credit from which you have copied word by word.

But, do tell me to who did he swear allegiance when he took oath as 'governor general' of Pakistan?

 

[kseeker]

Jinnah was a Shia and Pakistan tweaked history to provide a falsehood that he has become a Sunni!

As if the Prophet deemed Sunnis as the sole descendant of his!

And history shows he was not a descendant of the Arab steed, that many Pakistanis love to delude themselves to be.

After Jinnah died, his sister Fatima asked the court to execute Jinnah's will under Shia Islamic law.[181] This subsequently became the part of argument in Pakistan about Jinnah's religious affiliation. Vali Nasr says Jinnah "was an Ismaili by birth and a Twelver Shiaby confession , though not a religiously observant man." [excerpts from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_Jinnah]

What does "Ismaili by birth and a Twelver Shia by confession" means?

 

[Neo]

Is it a non paki unbaised reliable source?

I repeat ill buy your claims if you able to provide a credible source and not from paki author autobiographies or from some teachings of distorted history you find in paki textbooks.

Google British sources and history articles on British India. I believe there is plenty of material about Jinnah there.

 

[Ray]

Google British sources and history articles on British India. I believe there is plenty of material about Jinnah there.

So, you actually don't know, right?