Stand with Pakistani Christian Refugees - Hector Aleem

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I donot wish to discuss Islam or other Abramic religions here.
But you had no hesitation posting about Hindu nationalism here? The article regarding that on Christians and passing it off as Christians being repressed in India?

Why would that be? Do tell.
 

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Would the alternative had been any better? Let me show you an article I read this mornin.
Some times you learn the hard way. You wouldn't know whether a choice is good or bad until you have chosen it at the expense of other available one.

And BTW, in 1947 Pakistan wasn't a Islamic state, where Quaid of Pakistan put a white strip in the flag of Pakistan instead of all green to represent some thing, can you say me what it was then meant to symbolize?
 

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Hindu nationalist groups seek to 'cleanse' Christian population in India



Hindu nationalist groups seek to 'cleanse' Christian population in India
Can you please point me out, where it is written that state is involved? But, the OP does that clearly, against Pakistan.

And for your further Information John Dayal, has represented Indian in world forums, to bring about the cause of Christian discrimination/minority discrimination in India, last year in December he was in USA. Can you tell me who represented the plight of Pakistani Christians in the same forum?

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world...orities-under-narendra-modi-as-pm_922391.html
 
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Most of you people do not want to discuss religion because there is no logic or reasoning behind the holy texts, the more you discuss the more it becomes evident that it is a blind belief in todays context.
No, you can have a religious debate with me at any other forum but here. DFI is not the right place to engage Islamic debates due to encoraged trolling and profanity issues.
 

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Crap of load again. Yes, as muslims we don't believe in present day Judaism or Christianity and at 'muslim' schools we teach them the history of Islam and why it came into being. The subject is cumpulsary in govt schools and its called Islamiyaat.

Our Christian friend conveniently forgets to mention that there are specific and dedicated 'Christian' schools in Pakistan where the Bible studies are taught instead of Islamiyaat and the latter is only an optional subject. He conveniently forgets to mention how Christianity was spread into the Muslim/Arab world and the Sub-Continent. He conveniently expects the muslims to forget the millions of muslims lives that were lost when Christianity was forced to them with the sword.
If you don't believe in Judaism or Christianity, so should Christians have a right not to believe in Islam. But you have made them a subject of Islamic state, where you are forcing them to accept Islam at each and every step, starting from school as pointed out.

Is Christian schools/ Hindu schools govt. funded and is it available at all places where minorities reside to provide an alternative? What about examinations, is Islamic study not compulsory paper in your boards?

And Islam and Christianity has spread well before the creation of Pakistan. Your logic is flawed.

And no, Christianity didn't spread in the sub-continent by the edge of a sword. Don't peddle lies.
 

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Not every Indian Christian will agree with you, many remain devoted to their religion and feel threatened and discriminated.

If any of those Indian Christian made a fb page insulting Indian institutions and religion and then started a thread here. Would you still show same sympathy as for Mr Worldpeace here?
I have given the example of John Dayal in my previous reply, kindly go through it. Your assumptions again fell flat on it's face.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dayal
 
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If you don't believe in Judaism or Christianity, so should Christians have a right not to believe in Islam. But you have made them a subject of Islamic state, where you are forcing them to accept Islam at each and every step, starting from school as pointed out.

Is Christian schools/ Hindu schools govt. funded and is it available at all places where minorities reside to provide an alternative? What about examinations, is Islamic study not compulsory paper in your boards?

And Islam and Christianity has spread well before the creation of Pakistan. Your logic is flawed.

And no, Christianity didn't spread in the sub-continent by the edge of a sword. Don't peddle lies.
Pakistan is officially known as Islamic Republic Of Pakistan. That would explain many of the facts you mentioned.
 

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No, I am only trying to make a point that Mr.Worldpeace is only telling one side of the story and ignoring the fact that Christians schools have their right to teach Christian religion and values.
It may be noted that these Christian Schools in Pakistan, specially the Murree Christian Boarding School belong to one of the best in education standards. Elite children go there including many from the armed services.
Only a handful of schools kept only for representational purpose, which probably was started by the British and survived because the Gerails, waderas and elites used to send their wards, don't suffice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman_Catholic_schools_in_Pakistan
 
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Pakistan is officially known as Islamic Republic Of Pakistan. That would explain many of the facts you mentioned.
It was not in 1947 when the choice by people were made to be with India or Pakistan and wasn't till probably 1956.
 
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Again, its only one side of the story. I won't deny that some religious groups and even political parties have an anti-minority agenda, its is also true that there are many success stories. Christans have done much better than hindus in Pakistan and they continue to do so. PAF has decorated Christian heroes, army has them, there's a succesful Christian business community and Christian teachers are always welcome to teach in reputable instituions.

We have Christians participating at every level.
Just to give you a small evidence, take Pakistan Idol which made its debute with Geo Entertainment.
A 16 year old Christian Girl, Rosemary made it to the Top Ten and ended at 6th place. People loved her, muslim Pakistanis voted for her at the cost of many tallented muslim singers.

Things are far from ideal in Pakistan for minorities but it is often exaggrated by the media.
Those who have risen, have due to they being exceptional and not merely better. If the choice had to be made between competing equals, we know who would have been selected.

Talk about masses and not individuals. Don't have to prey on individual brilliance to show the state in good light.
 
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On similar lines :

Ahmadi Muslims in Pakistan still waiting for the annulment of the 2nd amendment

Forty years ago in the month of September the government of a country played God and snatched away the rights of a group of citizens with the stroke of a pen. The country is Pakistan and the group is the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. On September 7, 1974, the then Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, submitted to the pressure of the orthodox clergy and put into effect the constitutional amendment which declared the members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community as 'non-Muslims'. The decision made by Bhutto was broadcast on Pakistan radio. The announcement came as an utter shock for the Ahmadi Muslims who lived in Pakistan. They asked questions such as, "How could a parliament decide about our faith?" Until the morning of the declaration the Ahmadis were considered as Muslims and treated as equal citizens of the country. While Christians or Hindus considered themselves not belonging to the Islamic faith, the Ahmadi Muslims were thrown out of the pale of Islam through legislation and not out of their own profession.

Now fast forward to the year 1984. Pakistan is under the rule of the military dictator Zia-ul-Haq. In order to garner the support of the religious extremists and following in the footsteps of Bhutto, he promulgated the famous anti-Ahmadiyya Ordinance XX. This ordinance directly infringed upon the religious rights of a minority sect. Now the Ahmadi Muslims were forbidden to profess their faith either verbally or in writing. The law thus passed would criminalize an Ahmadi Muslim for simply saying the Islamic greeting, "Assalamu Alaikum" or by reciting from the Qur'an the Muslim Holy Scripture. According to this new decree the members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community could be jailed for three years or fined an arbitrary sum of money for the simple profession of their faith. They were now explicitly forbidden to call their houses of worship "mosques" or give the call to Prayer, the "adhan". What this ordinance in reality did was brand every single Ahmadi a criminal for simply "posing as Muslims".
 

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This is an Indian forum and it's typical of a Pakistani to obfuscate the issue by dragging in religion. ..... by the way, are you related to that travelling evangelist and cricket jihadist Ahmed Shehzad?

Participation of non hindu members is not denied but its the way how hindutva metality and views are propagated here make it a very unfriendly place for worlds largest religion, the Islam.
Which brings me back to my pont the the OP will make a lot of friends here. :wave:
 

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If Christians are so discriminated against and harassed, how is that the representation of Christians in India's public service, armed forces, police and public sector undertakings is much more than the 2.4 per cent that heir population deserves? That way their representation is more than double/tripple in some cases.

And what is the representation of Christisns in Pakistani govt service, police, army?
Not every Indian Christian will agree with you, many remain devoted to their religion and feel threatened and discriminated.

If any of those Indian Christian made a fb page insulting Indian institutions and religion and then started a thread here. Would you still show same sympathy as for Mr Worldpeace here?
 

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Another stupid argument made for local consumption only. Millions of hindus migrated to India after the participation.
The percentage of muslims in India fell for the same reason, more than half the Indian muslims became Pakistani after the partition.
Why did Non-Muslims migrated to India?

How come more than half Muslims didnt want to be with Pakistan the Terrorist country.

Indian Muslims are much happy and safe than being in Pakistan where any Missile/drone can hot them anytime or any Suicide Blast or any TTP Freedom fighters.

Pakistan can't save it's own Muslims why Christians are crying? Why the hell they chose to stay with a Terrorist country Pakistan.

Pakistan killed 3,000,000 Bangladeshi Muslims.
Pakistan killed 1,00,000 Kashmiri Muslims.
Pakistan killed 10,000's of Baloch Muslims.
Pakistan killed 60,000 Pakistani Muslims since WOT.


Not to mention thousands of Hindus/Christians/Sikhs/Ahmedi etc.

Pakistan is the BIGGEST MUSLIM KILLER and a Un-Islamic TERRORIST Country which is a failed state.
 

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And you think you are helping your cause by posting anti Pakistan stuff on an hindu forum?

Good luck, you will make a lot of friends here!
Hindu forum?? Oh hello come out of religious mindset.

Asi athe keema khaan aye ha
 

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Participation of non hindu members is not denied but its the way how hindutva metality and views are propagated here make it a very unfriendly place for worlds largest religion, the Islam.
Which brings me back to my pont the the OP will make a lot of friends here. :wave:
CORRECTION: Christianity is the world's largest religion.

By the way, what do you know about friends? Its your basic Islamic teaching that a true Muslim should never be friends with "Yahood o Nasara" (Jews and Christians) and that Non - Muslims should be slaughtered. And you are following your teaching by killing Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists etc in the so called land of pure. You like secularism in other countries but hate the same in Pakistan.
 

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You are you still here.... wanna be Hindu ?? :thumb:

And you think you are helping your cause by posting anti Pakistan stuff on an hindu forum?

Good luck, you will make a lot of friends here!
 

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CORRECTION: Christianity is the world's largest religion.
More and more Christians are leaving the church to become atheist today. A vast majority has never visited the church. So as per active believers, Islam is the largest religion of the world.

By the way, what do you know about friends? Its your basic Islamic teaching that a true Muslim should never be friends with "Yahood o Nasara" (Jews and Christians)
Here you prove your ignorance. Jews and Christians are regarded as 'Ahl-e-Kittab' and therefor a muslim is even allowed to marry a Jew or a Christian. Please do some research before making false claims, you know zilch about Islam.

and that Non - Muslims should be slaughtered. And you are following your teaching by killing Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists etc in the so called land of pure. You like secularism in other countries but hate the same in Pakistan.
Islam is a religion of peace if followed by the Book. It doesn't encourage killing of innocent people. It even teaches you to respect other religions.
So kindly donot misquote or take things out of context from the Holy Quran to justify your false propaganda.
Do you think that Bible can not be misquoted?

Let me show you how evil the Bible becomes if you take the following out of context and blame the Christian God for the wars the ancient Israelites fought:

The LORD is a man of war; LORD is his name
Exodus 15:3 - King James Bible

More interesting is the era of Saul when God 'ordered' killings of Philitines:

God forced the Philistines to kill each other

After helping Jonathan with his first slaughter (which wasn't really his first, but Oh well), God took over the killing himself. He didn't have much choice if he wanted to get the killing done, because there were only two swords in all Israel at the time, Jonathan's and Saul's. And it's hard to kill Philistines with only sticks and stones.
So it came to pass in the day of battle, that there was neither sword nor spear found in the hand of any of the people that were with Saul and Jonathan: but with Saul and with Jonathan his son was there found. 1 Samuel 13:22
But God had a plan. He'd force the Philistines to kill each other (and throw in an earthquake for dramatic effect).
And there was trembling ... and the earth quaked: so it was a very great trembling. ...
The multitude melted away, and they went on beating down one another... Every man's sword was against his fellow. 1 Samuel 14:15-20
After the Philistines killed each other, the Israelites must have gathered up their swords and spears, because by the end of the same chapter Saul is fighting everybody at once, "vexing" them all.
So Saul ... fought against all his enemies on every side, against Moab, and against the children of Ammon, and against Edom, and against the kings of Zobah, and against the Philistines: and whithersoever he turned himself, he vexed them. And he gathered an host, and smote the Amalekites, and delivered Israel out of the hands of them that spoiled them. 1 Samuel 14:47-48
 

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