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My point is don't falsify facts to serve your purpose.

You mentioned
I don't. Thank you very much.

Impressive to those who are not aware of it, like non Indians who are fed this line as a 'catch all' excuse for all ills concerning those who have some equation with Indian religions.

However, that is a blatant falsehood perpetuated since Tamils are no a monolithic religious groups. They are a ethnic group, but with a diversity of religion.

it is like claiming that all Buddhists are same and conveniently forgetting that even amongst Buddhists, there are many ways to the Buddha.
The cast mentality is very strong among Jaffna Tamils. The vellalas consider them higher in status and skin color to their low cast bretheren. I you do not get what I say please read "Tamil tigress" by Niromi de Soyza. Niromi de Soyza - Niromi de Soyza
 

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When did I do that?

Further more Tamil Christians form small percentage among the Northern Tamils. Tamil political ideologists are vellala cast Hindus.
Caste and NOT cast.

It is the the Sri Lankans who have cast the Tamils to be second class and you are right about that.

Christians are indeed a small percentage in Asia.

Don't like it?

Contact the Baptist Evangelists. They are going hard at it and you can always help them.
 

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I don't. Thank you very much.
You did and you convenient ignore my quote of your post which show that you did.



The cast mentality is very strong among Jaffna Tamils. The vellalas consider them higher in status and skin color to their low cast bretheren. I you do not get what I say please read "Tamil tigress" by Niromi de Soyza. Niromi de Soyza - Niromi de Soyza
Caste and NOT cast.

See how you refuse to accept even what the dictionaries say thinking that you are the sole inheritor of this earth including the English language.

Therefore, no logic or reality will penetrate.

Enjoy!

The West says caste is a big player in India.

The 2014 elections disproved that as also that Muslims live in total fear of Modi. Modi would have never had the landslide if the Muslims did not vote for him.

You can fool people some times but not all the times.

But try to tell that to the Western vested interest or Sri Lankans.

Rajapaksa is a racist and the world says so. But it cannot be applied to all Sri Lankans, can it?
 
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Caste and NOT cast.

It is the the Sri Lankans who have cast the Tamils to be second class and you are right about that.
If things going at this pace Tamils will be cast to third place by Sri Lankans. You can take the Tamils from Sri Lanka and give them first class in India.
 

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Caste and NOT cast.

See how you refuse to accept even what the dictionaries say thinking that you are the sole inheritor of this earth including the English language.

Therefore, no logic or reality will penetrate.

Enjoy!

The West says caste is a big player in India.

The 2014 elections disproved that as also that Muslims live in total fear of Modi. Modi would have never had the landslide if the Muslims did not vote for him.

You can fool people some times but not all the times.

But try to tell that to the Western vested interest or Sri Lankans.
You seems to hurt so much when mentioned about caste. The world is a cruel place.
 

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You seems to hurt so much when mentioned about caste. The world is a cruel place.
Caste does not affect me since the denomination I belonged to has no such distinction.

But the denomination that I once belonged to take falsehood and lies to be abomination.

Maybe that still envelopes me.
 

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If things going at this pace Tamils will be cast to third place by Sri Lankans. You can take the Tamils from Sri Lanka and give them first class in India.
How about we coming and taking the area where they can become third place and make them first class citizens?

Not a real difficult situation I can assure you.
 

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How about we coming and taking the area where they can become third place and make them first class citizens?

Not a real difficult situation I can assure you.
It is little hard for you guys isn't it. Remember last time. So I suggest it is better to take them all and give them first class citizenship.
 

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In a congratulatory message addressed to Shri Narendra Modi, Ven. Banagala Upatissa Nayaka Thero, President, Mahabodhi Society of Sri Lanka, has while noting with supreme joy that Shri Modi has been the first leader of modern India to represent the timeless and ancient city of Varanasi in the Lok Sabha, called on Shri Modi to lead India like the great Cakkavatti Emperor Ashoka and in a manner that will illuminate our part of the world as it did in Ashokan times.

LankaWeb – Rule India like Cakkavatti Dharmasoka – Mahabodhi Society of Sri Lanka Appeals to Narendra Modi

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@civfanatic @Razor @Dovah BSE ! It's happening :yey:
 
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In a congratulatory message addressed to Shri Narendra Modi, Ven. Banagala Upatissa Nayaka Thero, President, Mahabodhi Society of Sri Lanka, has while noting with supreme joy that Shri Modi has been the first leader of modern India to represent the timeless and ancient city of Varanasi in the Lok Sabha, called on Shri Modi to lead India like the great Cakkavatti Emperor Ashoka and in a manner that will illuminate our part of the world as it did in Ashokan times.

LankaWeb – Rule India like Cakkavatti Dharmasoka – Mahabodhi Society of Sri Lanka Appeals to Narendra Modi

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@civfanatic @Razor @Dovah BSE ! It's happening :yey:

AKhand Bharath is comming.
 
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Srilanka kind of victim of American/west Propaganda got more criticism than deserved for Tamil crises , We need to move on now . Instead of dinging past see in future work for Tamils Rehabilitation .
 

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@HeinzGud - a read of the insight in Lunch with the FT: Lee Hsien Loong - FT.com << How the sense of insecurity keeps Singaporeans staying vigilant and working hard. Similar to SL Singapore is surrounded by adverse neighbours (critically Muslim dominated) and consisting of Indian and Malay minority along with the majority Chinese. It aptly remains friendly with big powers outside of ASEAN.
 
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It was less violent than the Anti-Sikh violence in 1982 and the Gujarat riots in 2002. Learn about your countries history before pointing fingers,
Give us another one.
 

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Remembering Sri Lanka's Black July


he mob violence that erupted after an attack on 13 soldiers triggered a 26-year civil war

Thirty years ago, Tamil separatists stepping up militant attacks in northern Sri Lanka killed 13 soldiers who reported for duty only a day earlier. Over the next few days, mobs of the Sinhalese majority took revenge, killing between 400 and 3,000 Tamils around the country and triggering a civil war that lasted 26 years and sent hundreds of thousands of Tamils into exile. The BBC's Charles Haviland reports on the legacy of what came to be known as Black July.

In the stillness of a Colombo afternoon, as a clock chimes three, an elderly woman looks back 30 years and remembers.

"There was a first mob of about 80-odd young guys with iron rods and things. They were in a frenzy, obviously under the influence of alcohol - they smashed up and then came the next lot to loot."

Priya Balachandran - the BBC has changed her name as she prefers anonymity - recalls the time Colombo and much of southern Sri Lanka seemed gripped by madness. Mob violence was wrought on people, most of whom had little idea what was happening in the north.

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The war of 30 years has taught both sides equally, I think - they have gone through enough suffering"

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Like other Tamils, Ms Balachandran was on the receiving end. Sharing lunch with her mother, son and a Sinhalese neighbour, she saw shops ablaze over the road and realised the mob were approaching. Quickly, the friend suggested escaping to her own place just 300m (984ft) up the road until things calmed down. They left Ms Balachandran's house.

"Little did we realise that that was the last time we were running out of our home," she recalled, her voice cracking with emotion.

From the friend's house, she could hear her home being looted by the gangs who had detailed records of which dwelling was Sinhalese and which was Tamil.

"We could hear the sounds as if they were breaking up in the room next door. In a matter of an hour or so, we could see thick black smoke.

"That was really traumatic for me and my child and the family. We had to just keep praying through it - then by evening, late into the evening again, a second time, they came and burnt it down, the final bits."

When asked what was destroyed, Ms Balachandran said: "The whole thing. There was nothing. It didn't seem like our home any more. It was just black, that's all I remember."

Ms Balachandran said she and her family, like so many others, were saved by their Sinhalese neighbours.

But other Sinhalese were murdering, rooting out Tamils by showing them objects and demanding to know the Sinhala word. A young Sinhalese artist, Chandraguptha Thenuwara, recalls his bus being stopped.



"I could hear sounds coming from the back of the bus, they are taking a person out from the bus," he said.

"They identified him as Tamil. So then the bus moved forward and they took him down. I don't know what happened to him."

Later he would walk through a city, much of which was ablaze.

Little sympathy
People were burned alive in their cars, stripped naked. Women were raped. In Colombo and provincial towns, soldiers stood by and even supplied petrol. In two pogroms in the biggest prison, Sinhalese inmates killed 53 of their Tamil counterparts.

There was almost certainly government complicity - a Sri Lankan human rights group says gangs operated at the behest of hard-line ministers.

On 27 July 1983, the then President JR Jayewardene made his first speech on the events, offering no sympathy to the minority and instead emphasising Sinhala grievances.

More killings followed. By the time the violence dwindled on 31 July 1983, tens of thousands of Tamils had fled to the northern and eastern provinces or abroad.


Mr Wigneswaran said a lot of intellectuals left Sri Lanka

Black July was a recruiting agent for Tamil militants and catapulted the country into full-blown war, which would last 26 years and kill 100,000 or more people.

It had a drastic demographic effect as hundreds of thousands of Tamils fled abroad, said CV Wigneswaran, a retired Supreme Court judge who has just become a politician for the largest Tamil party.

"With that started the brain drain. A lot of intellectuals, lawyers, doctors, architects, engineers all went away from Sri Lanka. They thought there was no way out," he said.

"The diaspora today still cannot forget the death, damage, destruction that took place in 1983 because of which they had to leave Sri Lanka and go abroad."

The idea of a separate Tamil homeland - then as now illegal as a political platform - also became more powerful because so many Tamils fled to the areas of the island where they were the majority.

The retired judge said that ever since 1983, many Tamils have not felt comfortable living in southern Sri Lanka, with the exception of the capital.

Nationalist assault
Four years after the government's war victory, it says there are "no minorities" and everyone is equal.

Yet Sinhalese nationalist sentiment and speeches are on the upsurge. There remains nervousness, not only among Tamils, but also among another minority, the Muslims, who have seen their mosques attacked and their lifestyle under sustained assault from Sinhalese Buddhist nationalists, including monks.

With the Tigers crushed in 2009 and unknown numbers of Tamil civilians killed as the war ended, hard-line ministers now advocate reducing devolution for the Tamil areas despite a constitutional clause that is meant to increase it.

In 2004, the previous President Chandrika Kumaratunga gave a public apology to Tamils for Black July, likening it to Nazism.

She appointed a commission which concluded that nearly 1,000 people died and 700,000 were exiled. And she acknowledged there might be many more unreported incidents.

In his studio, the artist Chandraguptha Thenuwara is preparing artwork and sculptures for an exhibition he now mounts every year to commemorate Black July and reflect the current state of justice.

Despite Mrs Kumaratunga's gestures, no one has been held accountable for the July killings, and Mr Thenuwara said the country has not properly faced up to past wrongdoings.

"That kind of attitude is not good for the resolution of these kind of issues," he said.

"Reconciliation cannot happen. You have to speak and talk about it. Even the bad things happened. You have to open up the wound and to heal this real way."

In her modern-day home Priya Balachandran, who saw her house burnt down, shows me treasured family photo albums. They were salvaged by a friend who pretended to be a looter on those mad July days.

She still has many good Sinhalese friends, and I ask her how she feels now about ethnic relations.

"Hopefully, nothing is going to happen again," she said. "That's what we feel because I think that was a lesson which all sides have learnt.

"The war of 30 years has taught both sides equally, I think. They have gone through enough suffering."

BBC News - Remembering Sri Lanka's Black July

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I am surprised that @Heinz Gud feels that Black July was lesser than the riots of India he mentioned.

Black July triggered a 26 year civil war.resulting in 100,000 or more people.being killed and a total genocide done. To him, this is a lesser evil than riots of India which is brought under control in matter of days, if not hours.
 

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Is Pranab Mukherjee alone to who brought this country to the current mess, even if he made the MNCs bolt?

Does the onus not lie on one and all of the wonderful UPA, who were spineless, to speak up against the ruins that was being brought unto this Nation and were they all not represented by one and all community and religion of this country?

So, I am afraid your contention is not quite fair.
What I saw is: Pranab as FM was a disaster, out & out. While Chidambaram was somewhat saner.

Even if the demography has changed, there are none who can even think of wanting a separate Nation or joining another. We have done much for India's independence to allow that to go in vain.
How can you speak of Muslims, especially the illegal migrants who are main votebank of Mamta & co. Their religion demands a different kind of loyalty (trans-national, towards the West) & the call of "Mazhab/Qaum" is above all for them (well, almost).

On the other issue, since you know the option that the Bengalis have, could you list them so that they are enlightened?
Is it so hard ? Bengalis could have done what the majority of Indian constituencies have done...but WB refuses to come out of regionalism.
 

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