Spy Aircrafts Of Research Analysis Wing AKA RAW..

[indian_sukhoi]

Someone plz help me know from Basics. I already gone through a debate at IDF about RAW Spy Aircraft, But couldnt understand how it works.

How thus a AWECS type be usefull for RAW.

Read an article that RAW used to use MiG-25s for strategic reconnaissance missions, But how much useful had their been?. They would have been used for more coupl of years, If russians didnt stopped producing spares.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Someone plz help me know from Basics. I already gone through a debate at IDF about RAW Spy Aircraft, But couldnt understand how it works.

How thus a AWECS type be usefull for RAW.

Read an article that RAW used to use MiG-25s for strategic reconnaissance missions, But how much useful had their been?. They would have been used for more coupl of years, If russians didnt stopped producing spares.

A AWECS type of Aircraft not only detect enemy aircraft at long ranges but their radar signature too, It also use to intercept radio and digital transmission from ground and air, The bottom line is its extensively use in electronic warfare..

Only RAW knows, MIG-25 Hi-res cameras can capture enemy installations while flying at high altitude 80,000 ft. inside Indian territory, It gives actual placements of terror camps, Enemy Arty and Roads, Armour concentrations and Infantry fortifications, Before Sofisticated Spy satalite network we were primary dependent on Camberas and MIG-25R..

Russian still produce MIG-25R parts but mainly use MIG-31..

 

[trackwhack]

And even then.........!

And even then what?

 

[sayareakd]

And even then what?

Kargil and Mumbai..............................

 

[trackwhack]

Kargil and Mumbai..............................

Unfortunately, the capability of an Intelligence unit can only be assessed by those who have privy its successes. Every failure of Intelligence on the other hand is public information. Every success is buried in documents that have decades long declassification terms.

Lets put things in perspective : ISI's involvement in everything from Afghanistan to Urumqi to Kashmir is out in the open. On the other hand is there a shred of evidence of RAW's hand in anything. You sometimes think 'Do these guys even exist'?

Only when some of us have our teeth falling out will there be declassified documents from the 80's and 90's for us to even appreciate some of the things that these guys have done. And thats assuming that there has been a settlement about Kashmir one way or another.

 

[sandeepdg]

Unfortunately, the capability of an Intelligence unit can only be assessed by those who have privy its successes. Every failure of Intelligence on the other hand is public information. Every success is buried in documents that have decades long declassification terms.

Lets put things in perspective : ISI's involvement in everything from Afghanistan to Urumqi to Kashmir is out in the open. On the other hand is there a shred of evidence of RAW's hand in anything. You sometimes think 'Do these guys even exist'?



Only when some of us have our teeth falling out will there be declassified documents from the 80's and 90's for us to even appreciate some of the things that these guys have done. And thats assuming that there has been a settlement about Kashmir one way or another.

Yeah, that is quite true, but the thing is that a blunder like Kargil and 26/11 negates all the good things they may have done. Since the general public will never know about their successes but it will always seethe with anger over their failures. So you may may have had small t medium successes but you had two huge failures. So, all that hard work gone down the drain. And most of this is due to very poor HUMINT, which is as crucial as ELINT.

 

[sandeepdg]

A AWECS type of Aircraft not only detect enemy aircraft at long ranges but their radar signature too, It also use to intercept radio and digital transmission from ground and air, The bottom line is its extensively use in electronic warfare..

Only RAW knows, MIG-25 Hi-res cameras can capture enemy installations while flying at high altitude 80,000 ft. inside Indian territory, It gives actual placements of terror camps, Enemy Arty and Roads, Armour concentrations and Infantry fortifications, Before Sofisticated Spy satalite network we were primary dependent on Camberas and MIG-25R..

Russian still produce MIG-25R parts but mainly use MIG-31..

You remember the famous IAF MIG-25 flypast over Islamabad in 1997 while on a deep recon mission. It broke Mach 2 when exiting Pakistan and created a sonic boom, to rub their noses.

Vayu Sena - IAF MiG-25R incursion over Pakistan in 1997

 

[trackwhack]

Yeah, that is quite true, but the thing is that a blunder like Kargil and 26/11 negates all the good things they may have done. Since the general public will never know about their successes but it will always seethe with anger over their failures. So you may may have had small t medium successes but you had two huge failures. So, all that hard work gone down the drain. And most of this is due to very poor HUMINT, which is as crucial as ELINT.

But Sandeep, would you term the following as small and medium successes, even if RAW only had a part to play
1) Creation of Bangladesh
2) Annexure of Sikkim
3) Siachen
4)Nuclear tests
5)Numerous other infiltration bids that were stopped, thus preventing tens of Mumbai like situations?

 

[sandeepdg]

But Sandeep, would you term the following as small and medium successes, even if RAW only had a part to play
1) Creation of Bangladesh
2) Annexure of Sikkim
3) Siachen
4)Nuclear tests
5)Numerous other infiltration bids that were stopped, thus preventing tens of Mumbai like situations?

No, they are substantial achievements, but you are dwelling on past events some of which are 30-40 years old. You cannot praise an organization based on their past achievements alone. Praise comes automatically when an organization is constantly able to face challenges and come out triumphant in the face of grave odds time and again, even though they may not be very frequent, since they never are, but cutting across generations, every now and then, they accomplish such great achievements, that makes them praise worthy for all present and future generations. Something like what Mossad has achieved for Israel.

What happened 30-40 years, back most people of our generation won't identify with, and that is the fact. But what happened in Kandahar, in Kargil and in Mumbai, are events that will remain etched in the memories of current generation for a long time. By the way, the success of the secretive 1998 nuclear tests weren't much of RAW's work. It was the work of our elite scientists of DAE, DRDO and BARC, and the Indian Army's regiment 58 engineers.

Coming back to the topic, I still feel that RAW is a very capable organization that can attain greater heights if they put bureaucracy issues aside and streamline their intel gathering apparatus. It has good capabilities in ELINT, but is poor on the HUMINT front, which needs to be ramped up substantially. Plus, we also need larger cyber security, intelligence and warfare capabilities with regards to the times that we live in.

 

[Poseidon]

India's RAW observes Sri Lanka's North from air in secret hi-tech plane.

By S. Venkat Narayan

A day after the Sri Lankan army took over Kilinochchi, the so-called administrative capital of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) and pushed the harried rebels to the northern jungles of Mullaithivu, India has sent a select team of officials from the Research & Analysis Wing (RAW) on a secret surveillance mission across the Palk Straits.

The Times of India quoted unnamed sources in a report published today as saying that an aircraft belonging to the Air Research Centre (ARC), a top secret wing of Indian external intelligence agency (RAW), took off from Chennai airport around 3am on Saturday, January 3.

However, the sources refused to confirm if the ARC exercise was undertaken on a request from the Sri Lankan government.

"The ARC aircraft, which took off from Chennai with high-tech espionage equipment, flew quite close to the Sri Lankan coast and got back to another airport without returning to Chennai," the newspaper further quoted its source as saying.

ARC has a fleet of Boeings and Embraers fitted with some of the best cameras for high-altitude photography. They can fly well above 40,000 feet.

The vision of the cameras, made on the lines of satellite cameras, can penetrate clouds and get photographs of spatial resolution of less than one metre. This means a small vehicle or even a person on the ground can be photographed from a height of 40,000 feet and above.

For civilian flights, there are internationally accepted pre-set codes. But the ARC aircraft use codes and call signs other than these, and keep changing them before every exercise.

The exercises are so secretive that ARC uses its own pilots, and not even those from the Indian Air Force (IAF). There is no fixed air base for ARC. It uses civilian airports and IAF air bases.

A Chennai airport source told the daily that there was little notice for ARC's January 3 mission. The flight came from some other airfield and took off from Chennai on its secret mission.

(S. Venkat Narayan is a veteran Indian journalist and is a special correspondent of the Colombo newspaper "The Island")

transCurrents: India's RAW observes Sri Lanka's North from air in secret hi-tech plane

Great.

 

[jamwal]

http://gallery.jjamwal.in/index.php/Indian-Air-Force-Museum-Palam/IMG_1482



One of the cameras used in Canberra for high altitude reconnaissance photography



Link fixed now. There are two more pictures of same camera with 36 inch lens in gallery

 

[LurkerBaba]

http://gallery.jjamwal.in/index.php/Indian-Air-Force-Museum-Palam/IMG_1482

One of the cameras used in Canberra for high altitude reconnaissance photography

I'm getting a page not found error

 

[Yusuf]

Kunal I hope you are posting only open source stuff.

 

[Yusuf]

One thing people missed is that ARC has a base in Tajikistan. I don't know if that is speculation or fact. It well could be the truth but this Tajik question with the Farkhor base is still a mystery.

 

[Galaxy]

Guys, I think this type of thread should not be allowed because it's directly related with our security. RAW is something very confidential and I also know few things which is quite confidential and not known to many, But I don't feel like posting in open forum. But who knows, Few might post such things. We should not discuss such things because few arbi from land of pure might get to know what is not known to them. Hope everyone understands what i want to say.

 

[Galaxy]

Is this possible that few thread could be only visible for specific people and not visible to regular members ??

 

[sandeepdg]

Is this possible that few thread could be only visible for specific people and not visible to regular members ??

How do you judge who is who ?? And all this information is readily accessible on the net.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Kunal I hope you are posting only open source stuff.

Their i people watching me, I know..

 

[Yusuf]

Saar, don't post if it's sensitive. I will delete the thread itself.

 

[Daredevil]

I think pretty much all info on this thread is open source. No need for alarm I guess.