Split between Ukraine and the European Union ?

[Akim]

Pardon, translated from Italian, someone can will remedy.

European strategy Forum in Yalta: between Ukraine and Eu final break
You would have to talk about the economy, the main theme was the geopolitical fate of Ukraine that it appears increasingly distant from the community. During the opening of the Summit of Yalta European strategy – YES, International Festival participated by hundreds of prominent personalities of politics and world finance, organized by the Ukrainian businessman Viktor Pinchuk – to keep bench was the strong criticism expressed by the European Union and the United States of America with regard to the observance of civil rights and democracy by the landlord, President of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych.
With a note, issued by the EU Embassy in Kyiv, the Swedish Foreign Minister, Carl Bildt, Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the European Parliament, Elmar Brok, and the EU Commissioner for enlargement and integration, Stefan Fule, revealed a deterioration in the situation in Ukraine with respect to the previous year, which may originate a total break in relations between Brussels and Kiev.
In particular, the three EU representatives have challenged the use of the judiciary to eliminate election competition from most feared opponents from Ukrainian President – as the Democratic Opposition Leader, Yulia Tymoshenko, and former Interior Minister, Yuri Lutsenko Alexey – and showed that only the holding of parliamentary elections can legitimise the regular fully new Ukrainian Parliament.
"The current situation makes it impossible to two opposition leaders taking part in the forthcoming parliamentary elections – the note of the three EU representatives. They were convicted following trials in which the standards of fairness, transparency and regularity were not respected. "
Last but not least was the stance of former Secretary of State, Condoleeza Rice, who invited the Ukrainian people to exert pressure on its authority to ensure that the country is definitively excluded from the Western Community. Clear was also hired by Rice's behavior at the end of the first round table of the event. After the debate, she approached the stage to greet the Turkish Premier Erdogan Tajip, openly ignoring President Yanukovych.
"I believe in the strength of democratic institutions and in the will of the people," said Rice – all over the world look at case Tymoshenko, his political detention, and the forthcoming parliamentary elections with extreme caution ".
The EU stance, which has so far claimed to await the outcome of the parliamentary consultation before definitively close the door to Ukraine, tastes like real red card for Yanukovych even before the end of the elections by the end of October.
However, it seems to be definitively halted the signing of the association agreement EU-Ukraine: document whereby Brussels is ready to grant to Kyiv privileged partner status and to open a free trade area to supplement the Ukrainian economy in Europe.
Following the arrest of Yulia Tymoshenko, December 19, 2011 the European Commission froze the launch of the agreement, considering the Ukrainian authorities not mature enough in terms of respect for human rights and democracy to be admitted into the political community of the old continent.
Yanukovych looks to Russia and Eurasia
The West's concern for the anti-democratic behaviour of Yanukovych has read even in questions posed to the Ukrainian President by the moderator of the round table, the ex-President of Poland, Aleksander Kwasniewski.
The Polish head of State Emeritus – that has always tried to maintain good relations with Ukraine despite the flagrant violations of democracy on the banks of Dnipro – could not refrain from raising the matter related to the detention policy of Yulia Tymoshenko, without, however, getting no response from Yanukovych.
For its part, the Ukrainian President, while acknowledging the deadlock that existed in the relations between the European Union and Ukraine in response to demands by Brussels on case Tymoshenko, was of the opinion that Kyiv is approaching European standards thanks to the reforms made by the Government which he established after his ascent to power in February 2010. But Yanukovych's position proved to be far from Europe, and much closer to Eurasia. During his speech, the Ukrainian President has expressed the wish to strengthen his country's presence in Eurasian integration processes taken by Putin's Russia to enshrine the political hegemony of Moscow in the former-Soviet.
Among the priorities of foreign policy and economic of Ukraine, Yanukovych has contemplated respectively Russia, China and India, without any mention to the EU. In addition, the Ukrainian head of State declared officially to aspire to achieve for the Ukraine Country observer status of the Eurasian Union – today composed of Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.

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[pmaitra]

EU and it's harangue.

The concept of a Democratic deficit within the European Union is the idea that institutions of the European Union lack democratic accountability and legitimacy compared to the national governments of its member states.

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The Swedish bugger, Carl Bildt, should shut the front door already!

 

[amoy]

Among the priorities of foreign policy and economic of Ukraine, Yanukovych has contemplated respectively Russia, China and India, without any mention to the EU

Ukraine must have already had a Look-East strategy, to embrace Eurasia.

China Looks to Ukraine for Food

The worst drought in half a century is hitting corn and wheat harvests in the United States, the world's largest food exporter. So China, a major food importer, is turning to a new source of supply - Ukraine, a nation once known as the breadbasket of Europe.

Ukraine, China to intensify military cooperation

Azarov briefed the Chinese side that Ukraine produces energy-efficient engines for helicopters. The premier added that on Thursday he attended the Zaporizhzhia-based Motor Sich company, which produces the latest engines for airplanes and helicopters. "I was very surprised by the high efficiency of our engines. Compared with foreign analogues the Ukrainian engines with equal power consume 18% less fuel".

China, Ukraine forge new partnership

The two countries also signed deals worth $3.5 billion, including a deal for China to extend a $1-billion loan to Ukraine to build a rail link between the capital, Kiev, and the country's main airport at Boryspil, about 30 km from the capital

 

[amoy]

http://www.globaltimes.cn/NEWS/tabi...ts-hail-Ukraine-China-currency-swap-deal.aspx

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/...ine-military-hovercraft-to-equip-Chinese-navy

http://www.comhaha.com/blog/538506-...-and-equipment-to-bring-market-opportunities/

 

[Akim]

Among the priorities of foreign policy and economic of Ukraine, Yanukovych has contemplated respectively Russia, China and India,

You know what I like in our turn East. There we are not taught how we must live! There we do not learn how to live! I am a supporter of European values, but from childhood I hate when people tell me "I keep a shovel wrong" But to me so more comfortable. Let my opinion be subjective,, but we were quick made haste enter to WTO - some sectors of our economy collapsed. To the cruel people must be hard measures. In China, found the milk melamine- guilty sentenced to shooting. And in Norway, Anders Breivik killed 77 people, and he was put in VIP-prison.
When Tymoshenko our economy in 2008, collapsed on 19% ( it is indexes of war-time), and power, in opinion of Europe, should scold her and let go..

 

[Ray]

This must be music to Russia's ears!

 

[Virendra]

In China, found the milk melamine- guilty sentenced to shooting. And in Norway, Anders Breivik killed 77 people, and he was put in VIP-prison.

That sounds so India
Anyway good luck with your policy change. You might actually learn a lot by coming out of shades for good.
There's a saying that roughly goes like - "Nothing grows beneath a huge tree."
As far as India is concerned, we belong to no "camps" as such. If Ukraine decide to go the same way, we can only help.

Regards,
Virendra

 

[Akim]

This must be music to Russia's ears!

Probably, but Europe is also guilty. Mythical freedoms for 1-2 persons and strategic error. (Ukraine aims farther from economic dependence on Russia). And Brussels is not yet late to abolish the decision.

 

[Ray]

EU is in a financial mess and there will be greater unpalatable financial diktats from the nations that have not gone down under as yet.

It is therefore safer, in my opinion, for Ukraine to chart their own course than be tied down to regulations that may be good for the EU as a whole, but not good for the Nation.

 

[Akim]

That sounds so India
Anyway good luck with your policy change. You might actually learn a lot by coming out of shades for good.
There's a saying that roughly goes like - "Nothing grows beneath a huge tree."
As far as India is concerned, we belong to no "camps" as such. If Ukraine decide to go the same way, we can only help.

Regards,
Virendra

India and China already can require the sizes and population, with them were considered in the whole world, and Ukraine stands on the decussation of the West and East (as Turkey) and it must to maneuver

 

[Ray]

he Swedish bugger, Carl Bildt, should shut the front door already!

He is the chap who messed up the Balkans.

 

[amoy]

Ukraine is in a quite good position IMO.

Yuri Andreev - Eurasian Union and Russia's Geostrategic Stability - Strategic Culture Foundation - on-line journal > Eurasian Union and Russia's Geostrategic Stability > Strategic-Culture.org - Strategic Culture Foundation

US top foreign-policy strategist and a die-hard Russophobe Zbigniew BrzeziÅ„ski had a point when he wrote in The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives that "Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire. Russia without Ukraine can still strive for imperial status, but it would then become a predominantly Asian imperial state", moreover, a one under permanent pressure from Central Asian republics and China. He also stressed quite appropriately therein that "However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine, with its 52 million people and major resources as well as its access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia".

In other words, Russia can't realistically hope to achieve geostrategic stability unless it manages to entrain Ukraine. As a result, the task of precluding synergies between the two countries occupies a significant line on the US and EU foreign-policy agendas. Russian premier Vladimir Putin's opinion piece published in Izvestia in 2011 – "A new integration project for Eurasia: The future in the making" – where he puts forward a case for building a Eurasian union in the post-Soviet space, simply had to come under fire in the West, as what Putin suggests is an alliance between Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus, to which Kazakhstan and other republics of the former Soviet Union would also be welcome.

It is clear that the West will spare no efforts to prevent the project from materializing, and Brussel's tactic behind the free trade zone and association agreement with Ukraine reflects this wider approach. Kyiv faced avalanche criticism over the arrest of former Ukrainian premier Yu. Tymoshenko, and attacks on Ukraine's current leader V. Yanukovych occasionally border on direct threats, but, for much deeper reasons, the EU captains are ready to pen an association deal with the country, dispense Eurointegration promises to its leadership or even – in a distant future – actually admit Ukraine to the EU just to make sure that the unification processes within the community of the East-Slavic nations (and, potentially, further across the post-Soviet space) come to a grinding halt.

It is an open secret that Ukraine is key to the implementation of a host of Western geostrategic plans. It is offered to start preparing to join NATO, and circumstances like the Ukrainian constitution's stated ban on mergers with military blocs or the existence of the Russian naval base in the Ukrainian city of Sevastopol do not seem to make extending the invitation impossible. In fact, NATO is cultivating a relationship with the post-Soviet Georgia regardless of similar legal obstacles.

In my view, the integration of Ukraine into NATO would read as a casus belli for Europe. Under the arrangement, the world would find itself only a couple of steps away from a potentially global conflict, the first step being the deployment of NATO bases in Ukraine, the second – the entry into play of the factors related to the resulting unprecedented shortening of the time it would take US missiles to reach crucial targets in Russia. Pledges, assurances, or legal guarantees of any kind would not help to dispel Moscow's concerns considering that wars always begin in breach of the pacta sunt servanada principle.

By the way, a talk I gave on the subject at an international conference hosted by the NATO headquarters in Brussels back in the 1990ies obviously attracted heightened attention at the time. Seeing its defense capabilities seriously eroded and left obviously unable to rely on the retaliatory strike strategy, Russia would have either to switch to that of missile launch on warning or, due to the brevity of the warning time, even to stretch its doctrine to the point of embracing preemptive strikes.

The strikes do not necessarily have to be nuclear, but the whole situation would automatically turn into a prologue to an armed conflict. This is the number one reason why Ukraine's NATO membership would breed extreme risks and bring about the specter of a global catastrophe.

The EU tends to concentrate on the economic, social, and cultural issues, and Ukraine's positions in the spheres oscillate visibly as Kyiv attempts to rip off benefits simultaneously in the West and in the East. On October, 18, 2011, Ukraine signed in St. Petersburg a free trade zone treaty whose list of signatories currently comprises 8 post-Soviet republics, with decisions from 3 more – Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan – pending. The treaty did come into being with serious limitations and does not apply to such commodities as oil, natural gas, metals, and sugar, but a plan to widen the scope of the accord is already on the table.

Generally, the post-Soviet economic integration moves on with great difficulty and recurrent setbacks. The simplest initial part of the process – the establishment of a free-trade zone – fully exemplified the tendency. Sketchily, the zone was created in 1994, but the participant's legislatures failed to ratify the corresponding agreement. Though a new deal was inked only in 2011, it still has to be born in mind that a free-trade zone is about duty-free commerce and essentially about nothing else.

The customs union formed by Russia, Belarus, and Kazakhstan (and which Kyrgyzstan is eying at the moment) was a natural next phase of the process as it implied its members' shared tariff policies vis-a-vis third-party countries plus a de-facto abolition of internal borders. A common economic space with its members synching a whole range of their economic strategies and policies and, possibly, opting for a shared currency should be a more advanced form of integration to go for.

The customs union and the common economic space should, ideally, be overseen by supranational institutions. Once such institutions are in place, the integration agenda can be upgraded to include the establishment of a Eurasian union described in Putin's October, 2011 paper. Other country leaders contributed to the debate: Belarus' A. Lukashenko in a paper titled "The Destiny of Our Integration" and N. Nazarbayev – in "The Eurasian Union: From Concept to History of the Future".

Lukashenko, it should be noted, expressed in "The Destiny of Our Integration" a view to which his peers across the post-Soviet space would readily subscribe: equal rights, respect for national sovereignty, and the inviolability of borders are the only plausible principles the integration may be built on.

The question naturally arising in the context is what role is taken by Ukraine in the above dynamics. The country was on the hypothetic participants list when Putin spelled out the agenda for the Common Economic Space back in 2003, but Kyiv chose to steer clear of the project. On October 18, 2011, Ukraine did pen an agreement on the free trade zone which 11 post-Soviet republics – all but Georgia – will likely uphold.

Moscow would be well-advised to cultivate its relations with Kyiv within a sequence of alliances implying ever tighter economic integration. No doubt, economic interests of the parties involved are the adequate basis for the process. Ukraine has the observer status in the Eurasian Economic Community, plus now it is a signatory to the free trade deal, the reasonable gradualism promising considerable progress in the long run.

Ukraine's free trade or association agreements with the EU, if they go through despite Europe's lingering systemic crisis, should not cause Russia to stop drawing Ukraine into the orbit of the post-Soviet integration. Moreover, Moscow should count working with Ukraine with this objective in mind among Russia's foreign-policy priorities, and fundamental advancements in this direction would immensely outweigh narrow gains like relaxed terms for various types of commodities trade.

 

[Ray]

@Akim

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[Akim]

@Akim

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Ukraine actually, does not aim in EU and does not want in itself country Euro. That Ukraine will enter some time in EU it is a fairy-tale and all of it is known. Ukraine simply wants a just economic and legal relation to itself. Without quotas and limitation of rights. Olympiad 2012 showed, as Europe behaves to Ukraine (4 selected medals). The European standards can be created and without European Union. It knows to all, that prime price of Euro for us or will say in Poland - the different are accomplished. (for us on tighter sum, it is possible to purchase much more).
And most importantly, that we should stop pointing and removed these double standards. That they push Ukraine away from Europe and turn East.

 

[amoy]

Ukraine agrees $3bn loan-for-corn deal - FT.com

September 19, 2012 10:36 pm

Ukraine is set to sign an unusual loan-for-crops contract with China that will see Kiev access $3bn in credit lines in exchange for supplies of corn, a commodity that Beijing has started to import in large quantities.

Corn prices hit an all-time high last month due to the impact of the worst drought in 50 years in the US, the largest producer.

France has called the first ever emergency meeting next month of a new G20-backed group to discuss shortages in global agricultural markets. The Ukraine-China loan-for-crop deal is likely to raise concerns among other big importers of agricultural commodities in Asia, including Japan and South Korea.

 

[Akim]

September 19, 2012 10:36 pm

Thank you, I did not know this information.

 

[Tshering22]

@Akim Do you think that now that you are free from both Russian and Western control (since you are neither EU nor in Eurasian Union) You could maybe develop a Switzerland like model of neutrality to attract investments from everywhere without involving in any military issues?

I am saying this because Ukraine has a lot of highly educated people, a robust industrial legacy and lots of resources. The only thing that is stopping you from independent growth, is yourself.

 

[Akim]

@Akim Do you think that now that you are free from both Russian and Western control (since you are neither EU nor in Eurasian Union) You could maybe develop a Switzerland like model of neutrality to attract investments from everywhere without involving in any military issues?

I am saying this because Ukraine has a lot of highly educated people, a robust industrial legacy and lots of resources. The only thing that is stopping you from independent growth, is yourself.

Switzerland is far from Russia, we are close. I agree with you that the problem is only in ourselves. Getting started is always difficult. But we are go it out the Russian influence. Now the main thing is to prevent the revanchists from winning the Presidential and parliamentary elections.